Death Warmed Up (1984) - April 3, 2019

[ThisKid]

Originally Posted by spannick

so what is WRONG with this Bluray? the "tightening up" coming up to 3-4 Minutes? that would be... not so great.

As mentioned above, and also from this Instagram post, the 3-4 minutes does not include any gore. Some may find it annoying the certain scenery shots are gone, but all the gore is here.

Again, the VHS version includes all the loose ends, so there. Don't panic.

[spannick]

it will all be compared in due time and we will know. i don't trust what folks say without proper evidence. movie-censorship site will compare soon enough. also, why shorten a 80 Minute Movie, total Nonsense. i still don't believe that.

[Alister_M]

So it's something like Braindead vs Dead Alive I'm guessing? I won't complain if it's a slightly shorter edit if all the splatter is left intact.

[PT Ryan]

Originally Posted by ThisKid

As mentioned above, and also from this Instagram post, the 3-4 minutes does not include any gore. Some may find it annoying the certain scenery shots are gone, but all the gore is here.

Again, the VHS version includes all the loose ends, so there. Don't panic.

I’m watching it right now, and actually played the deleted/missing scenes with commentary beforehand. As said already, the cuts are to minor scene extensions and reaction shots. It seems like this is the same situation with Razorback, where a shorter cut was released theatrically, and a longer one on VHS, just in this instance, the gore wasn’t cut in the first place.

You can buy with confidence. It’s a great package, and hats off to Ex_Film for putting it all together!

EDIT: There’s definitely the odd bit of tape-sourced material spliced into the main feature. One head bursting bit around 35:17 looks like zoomed VHS, along with the two facility staff getting knifed at the early 59min mark. The rest looked film like to my eye. Given everything this film has been through, I can forgive a couple of tape shots.

[Davidian]

It's surprisingly coherent and well made for an early NZ Horror flick. The blood and gore are very well done and the music is particularly effective.

Of course Umbrella screwed up the VHS version with frames skipping all over the place (as usual) and the audio running almost half a second fast at one point...

[Davidian]

Special Features:

Audio Commentary with David Blyth & Michael Heath
Interview with David Letch (HD 26:31)
2009 Interview with with David Blyth & Michael Heath (SD 40:01)
Deleted/Missing Scenes (SD 15:56)
Original 4:3 NZ VHS Cut (720p [but from a 1" Tape Source] 79:44)
Theatrical Trailer (SD 01:57)
VHS Trailers (SD 01:41, SD 01:48)
TV Spot (SD 00:21)
Image Gallery (HD 108 images)


BDinfo:

Disc Label: BD_DAVID3987_DeathWarmedUp_UMB
Disc Size: 46,200,671,744 bytes
Protection: AACS
Playlist: 00004.MPLS
Size: 23,042,534,592 bytes
Length: 1:18:53.562
Total Bitrate: 38.94 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 32855 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: English / DTS-HD Master Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 3737 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 384 kbps / DN -31dB
Subtitle: English / 14.000 kbps

NZ VHS Cut:

Disc Label: BD_DAVID3987_DeathWarmedUp_UMB
Disc Size: 46,200,671,744 bytes
Protection: AACS
Playlist: 00011.MPLS
Size: 5,287,735,296 bytes
Length: 1:19:44.863
Total Bitrate: 8.84 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 7988 kbps / 720p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /   384 kbps / DN -31dB

51 Seconds longer.

Edit: Special Features Detailed

[spannick]

the uncut Version Runtime should be 82:56 Mins at 23.976fps

https://ssl.ofdb.de/view.php?page=fa...=634&vid=60247

or they encoded an uncut PAL VHS in 23.976, with out downspeed, making it crap also, as mentioned above.
this is really getting embarassing...

[PT Ryan]

Originally Posted by spannick

the uncut Version Runtime should be 82:56 Mins at 23.976fps

https://ssl.ofdb.de/view.php?page=fa...=634&vid=60247

or they encoded an uncut PAL VHS in 23.976, with out downspeed, making it crap also, as mentioned above.
this is really getting embarassing...

That’s likely a different source. The version used for the VHS cut appears to be the same master as the earlier NZ DVD. The 2009 interview featurette sources all its clips from the 4:3 tape cut and both it and the VHS cut have the same glitches in the same spots.

At any rate, I only skipped through the VHS cut for comparison to the main feature. I doubt people will watch the VHS cut more than once, anyway.

I think the team behind this disc have done an impressive job with a film that would have been considered impossible to put on HD a decade ago. I’m not particularly interested in dumping on Umbrella. They make an effort with films in this region that no one else gives a damn about.

[kiwiphile]

FWIW, the AU BD is 32+ Mbps average bitrate for the feature. Compare that with the DVD that was released 10 years ago which had a 4 Mbps average bitrate. The difference shows. The previous DVD looks like something from a VHS, by comparison.

[LordCrumb]

Originally Posted by kiwiphile

FWIW, the AU BD is 32+ Mbps average bitrate for the feature. Compare that with the DVD that was released 10 years ago which had a 4 Mbps average bitrate. The difference shows. The previous DVD looks like something from a VHS, by comparison.

I recon it was probably a VHS transfer for that old DVD mate!

[LordCrumb]

Just noticed this is also getting a US release:

[kiwiphile]

Originally Posted by LordCrumb

Just noticed this is also getting a US release:

I have some info on the US 30 April release, as well as the AU one, at my site. As far as I can determine now, this release will have the same specs and extras as the AU Blu-ray.

[RossyG]

Wonder which will have the better encoding.

Tempted to get the US version for the slipcover which features the UK quad poster art (which I remember from the time).

[raybestos]

Originally Posted by PT Ryan

That’s likely a different source. The version used for the VHS cut appears to be the same master as the earlier NZ DVD. The 2009 interview featurette sources all its clips from the 4:3 tape cut and both it and the VHS cut have the same glitches in the same spots.

At any rate, I only skipped through the VHS cut for comparison to the main feature. I doubt people will watch the VHS cut more than once, anyway.

I think the team behind this disc have done an impressive job with a film that would have been considered impossible to put on HD a decade ago. I’m not particularly interested in dumping on Umbrella. They make an effort with films in this region that no one else gives a damn about.

This has me more confused than ever. What do you mean by "different source?" 82:56 is 82:56 and NOT 78:53 or 79:44 (as the VHS cut appears to be mastered at 720p and 23.976 fps).

There really does seem to be an incorrect PAL to FILM transfer here, unless I'm woefully misunderstanding where the extra 3+ minutes (in 23.976 fps time) have disappeared to. What's the deal, and where's the beef??!!

[PT Ryan]

As in the VHS tapes referred to in those links may well have come from different masters altogether to the one included on this Blu-Ray. The difference in run time between the two would be down to the difference been PAL and NTSC frame rates. I don’t work on these things, so I can’t say for sure. You might be better off asking Ex_Film (who worked on this release) on their Instagram page.

[GaryCouzens]

Originally Posted by spannick

the uncut Version Runtime should be 82:56 Mins at 23.976fps

https://ssl.ofdb.de/view.php?page=fa...=634&vid=60247

or they encoded an uncut PAL VHS in 23.976, with out downspeed, making it crap also, as mentioned above.
this is really getting embarassing...

For what it's worth, the version passed by the BBFC for cinema release in 1985 was 82:24, after the BBFC cut 29 seconds, so 82:53 uncut. The discrepancy of a few seconds with your time above is I suspect due to different distributor logos.

Having now seen the film, I didn't see anything the BBFC would cut now, and I'm not sure what they did cut then. I may ask the BBFC and find out - they have been helpful in the past with information like this.

[RossyG]

Originally Posted by GaryCouzens

I didn't see anything the BBFC would cut now, and I'm not sure what they did cut then.

During the Ferman era the BBFC defied logic. They cut a shot of a train hitting a car from the 1996 Arnie film Eraser. There were supposed to be people in the boot, but all you could see in the shot was metal hitting metal. But this was cut from an 18-certificate cinema release.

(That was probably their most insane decision, admittedly, unless you count the nunchuka fixation)

[Alister_M]

Originally Posted by RossyG

(That was probably their most insane decision, admittedly, unless you count the nunchuka fixation)

I never got that one.. if the whole point of all that cutting was to stop people imitating movie violence, nunchukau are the least likely thing anyone's going to just pick up and attack someone with. As amply demonstrated by that one scene in Fist of Fury, they're more likely to hurt themselves before anyone else

[DawnShadow]

Did the Severin Blu-ray end up being better for this title?

[Alister_M]

Originally Posted by DawnShadow

Did the Severin Blu-ray end up being better for this title?

It's a clone of the Umbrella disc. Even has the same menu screens.