Madden 09 - Michael Strahan vs. Brett Favre

[Batman00]

Originally Posted by superdynamite

Superbowl (against "The Greatest Team of All-Time" or what would have been the Greatest of All-Time.)[/LIST]

You must be joking, contrary to popular belief, They are not the greatest team of all time, they are a good team as of right now. A team would have to be perfect, but wait... Didnt you guys lose in the Super Bowl???, i swear i saw New England fans cry, but not out of joy. New England will eventually becomes like the 49ers, just a memory that dwindled into a crappy team.

PATS SUCK always!

[jq71586]

Originally Posted by Batman00

You must be joking, contrary to popular belief, They are not the greatest team of all time, they are a good team as of right now. A team would have to be perfect, but wait... Didnt you guys lose in the Super Bowl???, i swear i saw New England fans cry, but not out of joy. New England will eventually becomes like the 49ers, just a memory that dwindled into a crappy team.

PATS SUCK always!

Arlen? Is that you?

This is what I call objectiveness.

Every team has ebbs and flows up and down as an organization. I'm sure your favorite team has too. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but people who know football would call the 80's era 49ers some of the best football teams to ever step on the field, led by two top 10 all time QB's and the best WR to ever play the game. I'm pretty sure the tough times they went through a few years ago has nothing to do with the great teams of the 80's.

And statistically last year the Patriots offense was the most prolific of all time. I'd say that alone, puts them up there on the list of greatest single season teams of all time, but like you said, not the greatest. Whether you like it or not they are still a dynasty and unquestionably the best team of the 2000's.

[Batman00]

Originally Posted by jq71586

Arlen? Is that you?

This is what I call objectiveness.

Every team has ebbs and flows up and down as an organization. I'm sure your favorite team has too. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but people who know football would call the 80's era 49ers some of the best football teams to ever step on the field, led by two top 10 all time QB's and the best WR to ever play the game. I'm pretty sure the tough times they went through a few years ago has nothing to do with the great teams of the 80's.

And statistically last year the Patriots offense was the most prolific of all time. I'd say that alone, puts them up there on the list of greatest single season teams of all time, but like you said, not the greatest. Whether you like it or not they are still a dynasty and unquestionably the best team of the 2000's.

ok ok ok, but who is Arlen? i didnt get that part

[Roland1919]

Originally Posted by fatediesel

As a Patriots fan I've seen both of these guys beat my team in the Super Bowl, so it isn't like I'm biased against one. Still, to compare Strahan to Favre is a joke. Farve has most of the major passing records, and is a 3-time MVP. Strahan has the single season sack record, which Favre gifted to him in the last game of the season by intentionally giving up a sack. In addition, I don't believe Strahan is definitely done. If the Giants called him tomorrow and offered him the $8 million salary he wanted I think he'd strongly consider returning.

Ummm, why are we comparing apples and oranges, QB vs DE???...I think Farve is the most overratted quaterback in NFL history and I can name 10 QB's who had more defining moments in their career...lets see:

1) Elway
2) Montana
3) Unitas
4) Brady
5) Bradshaw
6) P. Manning
7) Starbauch
8) Marino
9) Aikman
10)O.Graham/F.Tarkenton

Farve was an interception ***** who lost his team more chances at playoffs and Superbowls than any QB ever. Yes his career was good but come on to call him the "greatest" or even mention him as a top 5 is ridiculous. Top 10 maybe...

[jq71586]

Originally Posted by Batman00

ok ok ok, but who is Arlen? i didnt get that part

Arlen Specter, a Senator from Philadelphia. The guy who won't let go of the Spygate thing because his Eagles lost to the Patriots in the Super Bowl. It's a big deal/joke up here in New England.

[Batman00]

Originally Posted by jq71586

Arlen Specter, a Senator from Philadelphia. The guy who won't let go of the Spygate thing because his Eagles lost to the Patriots in the Super Bowl. It's a big deal/joke up here in New England.

oh, i knew about the cheating (dynasty with an asterisk), i just didnt know that guys name lol

[Roland1919]

Originally Posted by fatediesel

To the last post, Favre was 1-1 in Super Bowls, Strahan was 1-1 in Super Bowls.

Ummm, As much as I hate to point this out Strahan was 1-2 in Superbowls. In 2000 we were killed by the Ravens 34-7, Strahan was on that team...

[BluOgre]

Originally Posted by jq71586

He must have forgotten about this past season.

Because Justin Tuck had 10 sacks and Umenyiora had 13. I'm pretty sure when he was in there he faced some one on one matchups this year with those two racking up double digit sacks.

One could say they had that success because they had to double team Strahan.

[superdynamite]

Originally Posted by superdynamite

Superbowl (against "The Greatest Team of All-Time" or what would have been the Greatest of All-Time.)

Originally Posted by Batman00

You must be joking, contrary to popular belief, They are not the greatest team of all time, they are a good team as of right now. A team would have to be perfect, but wait... Didnt you guys lose in the Super Bowl???, i swear i saw New England fans cry, but not out of joy. New England will eventually becomes like the 49ers, just a memory that dwindled into a crappy team.

PATS SUCK always!

Are you saying if the Pats won the Superbowl and went 19-0 they would have been considered by many to be one of the Greatest teams in NFL history???

What are you smoking?

[superdynamite]

Originally Posted by Roland1919

Ummm, As much as I hate to point this out Strahan was 1-2 in Superbowls. In 2000 we were killed by the Ravens 34-7, Strahan was on that team...

Strahan is 1-1 in Superbowls, not 1-2.

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by Roland1919

Ummm, why are we comparing apples and oranges, QB vs DE???...I think Farve is the most overratted quaterback in NFL history and I can name 10 QB's who had more defining moments in their career...lets see:

1) Elway
2) Montana
3) Unitas
4) Brady
5) Bradshaw
6) P. Manning
7) Starbauch
8) Marino
9) Aikman
10)O.Graham/F.Tarkenton

Farve was an interception ***** who lost his team more chances at playoffs and Superbowls than any QB ever. Yes his career was good but come on to call him the "greatest" or even mention him as a top 5 is ridiculous. Top 10 maybe...

To put P. Manning above Farve at this point in Payton's career is insane! He has 0 career records and the same amount of SB rings and 1 less SB appearance, 1 less MVP. Numbers there. Starbauch...really? Name anything defining about him, no numbers. Marino lost all of his records to Farve. Aikman was blessed with some of the best talent EVER in his career. Brady...see Payton. I made the point earlier that it could be argued that Favre was top 3, not that he was.

Also, all of those QBs played at least one season with another offensive Hall of Famer. Farve hasn't. Think about that.

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by superdynamite

Are you saying if the Pats won the Superbowl and went 19-0 they would have been considered by many to be one of the Greatest teams in NFL history???

What are you smoking?

But they didn't.

[BluDrum]

Originally Posted by Roland1919

Ummm, why are we comparing apples and oranges, QB vs DE???...I think Farve is the most overratted quaterback in NFL history and I can name 10 QB's who had more defining moments in their career...lets see:

1) Elway
2) Montana
3) Unitas
4) Brady
5) Bradshaw
6) P. Manning
7) Starbauch
8) Marino
9) Aikman
10)O.Graham/F.Tarkenton

Farve was an interception ***** who lost his team more chances at playoffs and Superbowls than any QB ever. Yes his career was good but come on to call him the "greatest" or even mention him as a top 5 is ridiculous. Top 10 maybe...

Why did you put Graham & Tarkenton on the same line? That is 11.

Favre is in the Top 15 of all time. He was fun to watch because he improvised everything. Favre is also a great ambassador for the NFL. His Ironman record will never be broken 255 straight games as a QB. Amazing.

[superdynamite]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

But they didn't.

Right, but if they had won people would have put them up with the greatest teams ever. Even now they might be one of the Greatest ever. Definitely the greatest to have not won the Superbowl.

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by superdynamite

Right, but if they had won people would have put them up with the greatest teams ever. Even now they might be one of the Greatest ever. Definitely the greatest to have not won the Superbowl.

Agreed on "best team not to win a SB". Just imagine a Vikings '98 v. Patriots 07" SB.

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by superdynamite

Right, but if they had won people would have put them up with the greatest teams ever. Even now they might be one of the Greatest ever. Definitely the greatest to have not won the Superbowl.

Nope.

[samsonite]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

To put P. Manning above Farve at this point in Payton's career is insane! He has 0 career records and the same amount of SB rings and 1 less SB appearance, 1 less MVP. Numbers there. Starbauch...really? Name anything defining about him, no numbers. Marino lost all of his records to Farve. Aikman was blessed with some of the best talent EVER in his career. Brady...see Payton. I made the point earlier that it could be argued that Favre was top 3, not that he was.

Also, all of those QBs played at least one season with another offensive Hall of Famer. Farve hasn't. Think about that.

Please don't compare Favre to Payton. Peyton will own every single passing record known to man by the time he retires. It's not even close. Favre has 7 years on Payton. In 7 years Peyton will have long surpased every QB that has ever played. Payton has started every game since he was drafted. Favre sat in ATL. Peyton will own the Ironman record for QBs too if he remains healthy. He might even beat The real record held by Jim Marshall.

If you're speaking purely stat wise, Favre is top 16. If you're speaking purely beloved, he probably #1. Favre is the most loved QB. That's it.

*Jim Marshall holds the record for consecutive starts at 270 consecutive games.

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by samsonite

Please don't compare Favre to Payton. Peyton will own every single passing record known to man by the time he retires. It's not even close. Favre has 7 years on Payton. In 7 years Peyton will have long surpased every QB that has ever played. Payton has started every game since he was drafted. Favre sat in ATL. Peyton will own the Ironman record for QBs too if he remains healthy.

If you're speaking purely stat wise, Favre is top 16. If you're speaking purely beloved, he probably #1. Favre is the most loved QB. That's it.

When Payton retires, he may be the greates ever, but he isn't there yet! To take a snap shot right now of the greatest, Payton is not there. Just not. If we are speaking statwise, how is Favre only 16. He trails only _______ in TD passes. He trails only ______ in completions and attempts. Only _________ has won more games. _________ holds the yardage record, not Favre. As of right now nobody can fill those spaces. When Payton retires, he may very well hold all of them, I hope he does, but right now he doesn't. Payton may have not missed a start, but he isn't tougher than #4.

[superdynamite]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

Agreed on "best team not to win a SB". Just imagine a Vikings '98 v. Patriots 07" SB.

Vik's did it without knowing the Opponent's defensive plays. I don't know if any team could have done as well as the GIANTS. The Defense was the Key. The greatest Pass-rushing performance in Superbowl history knowing what they were up against.

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by superdynamite

Vik's did it without knowing the Opponent's defensive plays. I don't know if any team could have done as well as the GIANTS. The Defense was the Key. The greatest Pass-rushing performance in Superbowl history knowing what they were up against.

I would have snapped the ball, craped my pants, hit the turf, and have nightmares for 4 years if I had to step in against that defensive rush. It was impressive. The 85 Bears and 00 Ravens had scarier defenses though.