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Old 06-30-2008, 01:32 AM   #21
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Video and audio should be thought of as a chain and every chain has a weak link, in your case it is your receiver. You have a decent television and an decent bluray player but you want to pass the video through a chip, in a $400 receiver, that is likely worth 99 cents. Anytime you pass an electrical signal through a switch the signal will degrade slightly, if you can see it or not depends on how good your eyes and your display are. My set is ISF calibrated and i can detect a slight degradation of the signal when i pass it through my Anthem pre-pro and it cost 10 times what your Onkyo did and has a great reputation for video transparency. I think you should try hooking your player up directly to the tv just to see if it makes a difference, i bet it will.

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Old 06-30-2008, 07:29 AM   #22
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This is opening up a whole new set of issues for me now...

I really don't know what or who to trust at this point -- Bill here says that my Onkyo 605 -- that has absolutely given me no problems whatsoever so far -- is definitely the problem that I'm seeing...however, there are a few issues at large here: First of all, when I purchased all this equipment together, my budget and needs only required, from a surround receiver, a model like Onkyo's '605 -- it had the necessary onboard decoders for the new codecs and was HDMI 1.3a compatible; the power was absolutely acceptable for me too, given it was to power a theater in a small living room of an apartment. I love this company's products, and was not hesitating for a second getting the '605; now...here's the other thing...I have a hard time believing that this receiver is as terrible as Bill says it is; I understand that this is a $500 retail unit, but in all honesty, what does that have to do with anything when a chipset repeater is just passing a 1080p signal? Okay, I understand that the part inside was maybe 50 cents for Onkyo to build or buy, but can it be degrading the signal THAT much?

If all that is not bad enough, if you hop over to AVS, there are hundreds of pages in the "Onkyo 605 Owners" thread in which owners brag about their units and all the ones in the know are all saying that this receiver absolutely passes HDMI video over with NO degredation of any kind; add to that all the comments from other 605 owners on various sites that have been responding to me personally saying that it's absolutely no way it's my 605 degrading any signal...

Now, I understand what Bill says when he states that anytime you pass a signal through a loop, SOMETHING even if its small will be "lost" and "clipped"...but the problem becomes this: how do I pass everything I want to -- 1080p high definition video AND lossless high resolution surround audio -- WITHOUT using this HDMI loop through my 605? Doesn't everything have to go HDMI A/V OUT from a BD player to HDMI IN of a receiver, and then out from the receiver again for video transfer to a display?
 
Old 06-30-2008, 10:02 AM   #23
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I never used the word terrible but it is one of the cheapest receivers on the market and something is causing your problem. If not the receiver then it must be the player or the tv or a cable or the tv is not properly setup. Do you have any noise reduction turned on, the sharpness turned up or it set in torch mode? You need to troubleshoot, start with bypassing the receiver, just to find out if thats the issue.

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