Do I Have This All Set Up Right: Panasonic '10A to Onkyo '605...? - Blu-ray Forum

ClinicaTerra LTD · 06-22-2008, 02:36 AM

My Panasonic DMP-BD10A is going HDMI OUT for audio AND video transfer (no other connections out of the player) to an Onkyo TX-SR605's HDMI IN (1)...from there, a second HDMI cable is going from the '605's HDMI OUT to a Sony KDS-50A2020's HDMI IN (Video 6)...that's it...no other interconnections are being made (except for the speaker cables from the receiver to my speakers...)

First of all, is this set up correctly for passing audio (lossy legacy Dolby Digital/DTS and decoded multichannel TrueHD PCM/uncompressed PCM from Blu-rays) AND video (1080p content from Blu-rays and upconverted 1080p DVD video) over one HDMI cable? Everything seems to be working okay -- I have the '10A set to "AUTO" HDMI resolution which selects 1080p for my display (confirmed when I press the Sony remote's DISPLAY button and see "1080p" indicated in the upper right hand corner as the incoming resolution) and I have Dolby Digital, DTS and DTS-HD set to BITSTREAM output and PCM for Dolby TrueHD output -- but I just want to make sure this isn't somehow "robbing" or "clipping" resolution from the HD discs because I'm running the signal through a receiver...

In the '605 I have the "HDMI Monitor" set to "Yes" in the setup menu, and all my HDMI assignments are correct -- I have assigned the "DVD" input to HDMI 1 where the Blu-ray player is connected, but should "Monitor" definitely be set to "Yes"? Is this setting just for getting the onscreen menu to display on a TV over HDMI, or is it also to tell the receiver to pass through video on its HDMI out port?

If anyone could lend some insight into whether or not I'm connected properly, I would appreciate it; thanks in advance!

HiDef-Crazy · 06-22-2008, 03:10 AM

I have the 605 and the 705 and they are both set to yes on the monitor out and I do believe that is for the on screen menu. I have the BD30K I don't know the difference between mine and yours but it looks like you have it set properly. You are not loosing any resolution running your HDMI through your receiver it is sending the whole signal.

ClinicaTerra LTD · 06-22-2008, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by HiDef-Crazy

I have the 605 and the 705 and they are both set to yes on the monitor out and I do believe that is for the on screen menu. I have the BD30K I don't know the difference between mine and yours but it looks like you have it set properly. You are not loosing any resolution running your HDMI through your receiver it is sending the whole signal.

Thanks, Crazy!

But is the MONITOR YES also for telling the receiver to send video over HDMI to a display?

So, I shouldn't be losing any resolution by going HDMI IN from my player's HDMI out and then HDMI out to my display, running it through the 605? It SHOULD be passing the HDMI video straight through, correct?

HiDef-Crazy · 06-22-2008, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ClinicaTerra LTD

Thanks, Crazy!

But is the MONITOR YES also for telling the receiver to send video over HDMI to a display?

So, I shouldn't be losing any resolution by going HDMI IN from my player's HDMI out and then HDMI out to my display, running it through the 605? It SHOULD be passing the HDMI video straight through, correct?

Correct it passes the 1080p signal straight through and the monitor yes is telling the receiver to send the video over HDMI to your display. You are not loosing any resolution what so ever. You should be set.

ClinicaTerra LTD · 06-22-2008, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by HiDef-Crazy

Correct it passes the 1080p signal straight through and the monitor yes is telling the receiver to send the video over HDMI to your display. You are not loosing any resolution what so ever. You should be set.

Okay; thank you for your reassurance -- the only reason why I ask is because I recently read an article in Home Theater Magazine which compared different higher end models of receivers from Denon, Onkyo, Yamaha and Sony, and the editors came to the conclusion that not all HDMI repeater chipsets are created equal -- some of them don't actually pass video unmolested over the HDMI interface and there is some "clipping" done that wouldn't necessarily happen if you connected a player direct to a display...follow?

Essentially, is it "okay" to send video through a receiver -- especially through one at the 605's price point? I have heard this receiver is awful when it comes to "transcoding" resolutions over HDMI -- like component video up to HDMI and that it actually DOWNCONVERTS resolutions to a maximum of 720p when doing it this way...is this actually true, and what about this "hidden, secret menu" I keep hearing about on these receivers -- would these affect HDMI to HDMI output on the 605?

HiDef-Crazy · 06-22-2008, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ClinicaTerra LTD

Okay; thank you for your reassurance -- the only reason why I ask is because I recently read an article in Home Theater Magazine which compared different higher end models of receivers from Denon, Onkyo, Yamaha and Sony, and the editors came to the conclusion that not all HDMI repeater chipsets are created equal -- some of them don't actually pass video unmolested over the HDMI interface and there is some "clipping" done that wouldn't necessarily happen if you connected a player direct to a display...follow?

Essentially, is it "okay" to send video through a receiver -- especially through one at the 605's price point? I have heard this receiver is awful when it comes to "transcoding" resolutions over HDMI -- like component video up to HDMI and that it actually DOWNCONVERTS resolutions to a maximum of 720p when doing it this way...is this actually true, and what about this "hidden, secret menu" I keep hearing about on these receivers -- would these affect HDMI to HDMI output on the 605?

I follow your question your higher end receivers do have better repeater chips I hooked up mine strait from the BD player to the TV and through my receiver and I did not notice any difference in picture quality.

I don't transcode over HDMI it is true on that part is does downconvert to 720p using component but running a 1080p HDMI to HDMI will be 1080p. I don't believe the hidden menu has any affect on the HDMI to HDMI output. If you go to the AVS forum they have a 605 thread that will give you allot of answers you are looking for.

HiDef-Crazy · 06-22-2008, 04:22 AM

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=854964

Here is the link

ClinicaTerra LTD · 06-22-2008, 04:42 AM

I follow your question your higher end receivers do have better repeater chips

...well then, would the HDMI 1080p transfer actually look BETTER on higher end receivers than through my 605?

I hooked up mine strait from the BD player to the TV and through my receiver and I did not notice any difference in picture quality.

...so you're saying that your hookup seemed to pass the video straight through the receiver the same as if you went from player to display?

I don't transcode over HDMI it is true on that part is does downconvert to 720p using component but running a 1080p HDMI to HDMI will be 1080p. I don't believe the hidden menu has any affect on the HDMI to HDMI output.

...so I was correct that the 605 in particular doesn't do analog-to-1080p upconversion? It simply "transcodes" older analog sources to output over HDMI -- and in this it actually downrezes to 720p?

HiDef-Crazy · 06-22-2008, 04:53 AM

well then, would the HDMI 1080p transfer actually look BETTER on higher end receivers than through my 605

That is a good question but in my opinion not enough to notice a difference. But I have never owned a Higher end receiver.

...so you're saying that your hookup seemed to pass the video straight through the receiver the same as if you went from player to display?

That is correct

so I was correct that the 605 in particular doesn't do analog-to-1080p upconversion? It simply "transcodes" older analog sources to output over HDMI -- and in this it actually downrezes to 720p?

That is correct also

ClinicaTerra LTD · 06-22-2008, 06:30 AM

Thank you for your help and opinions, Crazy...

Can anyone else lend their insight on whether or not the system seems to be connected correctly in this fashion: ?

HDMI OUT from PANASONIC '10A to HDMI IN (1) of ONKYO '605...HDMI OUT from '605 to HDMI IN of SONY KDS-50A2020

...and another question for Crazy and others: does this HDMI "looping" connection seem the best way to connect the components, or should I be separating the audio and video connections rather than sending everything over one cable?

reconredneck · 06-22-2008, 01:05 PM

This Might Help you..

This Link will give you some ideas on how to Get the TrueHD & DTS-HD logo's to show up in your recievers display. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=54516

also the upconversion chip on these Onkyo's from 805 down, will up-convert 480 and 1080i down to 720p.. 1080p is pass through unmolested..

ClinicaTerra LTD · 06-22-2008, 07:15 PM

Redneck,

Thank you for the link and reply; I know why my receiver isn't "displaying" the new codec logos -- because my Panasonic player can't output them as bitstream...I am aware of this...

Instead, my 605's display reads "MULTICHANNEL/PCM/HDMI" when playing back decoded TrueHD tracks from the player...I'm assuming this is correct.

So, you are confirming that 1080p IS passthrough unaltered on the 605, yes?

aramis109 · 06-23-2008, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ClinicaTerra LTD

Redneck,

Thank you for the link and reply; I know why my receiver isn't "displaying" the new codec logos -- because my Panasonic player can't output them as bitstream...I am aware of this...

Instead, my 605's display reads "MULTICHANNEL/PCM/HDMI" when playing back decoded TrueHD tracks from the player...I'm assuming this is correct.

So, you are confirming that 1080p IS passthrough unaltered on the 605, yes?

I have that receiver and yes it is. It's been confirmed on this forum before and my own set confirms it's getting a 1080p signal as well. The manual also states this (as well as what it does with analog signals).

ClinicaTerra LTD · 06-23-2008, 05:50 AM

I have that receiver and yes it is.

Thanks Aramis...

Yes it is...what? That it's correct that "Multichannel" gets displayed on the 605's front panel when playing decoded PCM tracks from a player over HDMI, or yes, the 1080p passes over unmolested?

It's been confirmed on this forum before

Okay; didn't know that. Thanx.

and my own set confirms it's getting a 1080p signal as well.

Are you running it as I am, with an HDMI out from your source deck to the 605's HDMI IN and then another HDMI cable out from the 605 to your display's HDMI in? Even though our sets are displaying this, how do we know the 605 isn't somehow "clipping" the signal somewhere because it's going through two HDMI repeater chipsets? Is it possible that there would be a better picture just running the player direct to the display?

The manual also states this (as well as what it does with analog signals).

My 605 manual didn't really make this clear; can you tell me what page this is explained on, or provide a link?

Thanks again...

aramis109 · 06-23-2008, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClinicaTerra LTD

I have that receiver and yes it is.

Thanks Aramis...

Yes it is...what? That it's correct that "Multichannel" gets displayed on the 605's front panel when playing decoded PCM tracks from a player over HDMI, or yes, the 1080p passes over unmolested?

Both. It's going to read as "Multichannel PCM" from your blu-ray player if you're sending it via PCM and not Bitstreaming, and yes, the 1080p passes over unmolested.

Quote:

and my own set confirms it's getting a 1080p signal as well.

Are you running it as I am, with an HDMI out from your source deck to the 605's HDMI IN and then another HDMI cable out from the 605 to your display's HDMI in? Even though our sets are displaying this, how do we know the 605 isn't somehow "clipping" the signal somewhere because it's going through two HDMI repeater chipsets? Is it possible that there would be a better picture just running the player direct to the display?

The manual also states this (as well as what it does with analog signals).

My 605 manual didn't really make this clear; can you tell me what page this is explained on, or provide a link?

Thanks again...

I'm running it the same way you are. I used to run my player directly to the TV via HDMI until last week when I upgraded my receiver. The picture to my eye looks the exact same, and the framing of it is identical. I don't know if you have the newest Die Hard movie, but the menu has a light line framing the screen. On both setups I was running, that line is perfectly framed and not cut off. There is no change in running it through the Onk vs directly to the HDTV.

I apologize as I don't remember what page, but I do remember reading it- Crackinhedz actually pointed it out to me in one of my threads asking the same question and I confirmed it in my manual. Lemme see if I can go dig it up.

*edit* Found it. It was a thread I started here:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=52892

Crackin mentions page 47. I'm not sure if that's directly what we're talking about or not but it is related and thus should be close.

ClinicaTerra LTD · 06-23-2008, 06:58 PM

Both. It's going to read as "Multichannel PCM" from your blu-ray player if you're sending it via PCM and not Bitstreaming, and yes, the 1080p passes over unmolested.

Thank you.

I'm running it the same way you are. I used to run my player directly to the TV via HDMI until last week when I upgraded my receiver. The picture to my eye looks the exact same, and the framing of it is identical. I don't know if you have the newest Die Hard movie, but the menu has a light line framing the screen. On both setups I was running, that line is perfectly framed and not cut off. There is no change in running it through the Onk vs directly to the HDTV.

I do in fact own the BD of Live Free or Die Hard, but I will take your word for it that the Onk is not clipping anything...

And there's no need to go into that "secret" hidden menu the 605 has to adjust anything for HDMI output?

I apologize as I don't remember what page, but I do remember reading it- Crackinhedz actually pointed it out to me in one of my threads asking the same question and I confirmed it in my manual. Lemme see if I can go dig it up.

*edit* Found it. It was a thread I started here:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=52892

Crackin mentions page 47. I'm not sure if that's directly what we're talking about or not but it is related and thus should be close.

Thanks so much, bro -- I will read this as soon as I can. You rock!

aramis109 · 06-26-2008, 06:11 PM

I didn't have to change a thing in the 605's menu for my HDMI setup. After watching a couple movies and checking out that menu, I didn't even bother with going into Sony's hidden setup on their disks or popping in my DVD of Video Essentials. I would only mess with it if you thought it was off or a problem.

ClinicaTerra LTD · 06-26-2008, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aramis109

I didn't have to change a thing in the 605's menu for my HDMI setup. After watching a couple movies and checking out that menu, I didn't even bother with going into Sony's hidden setup on their disks or popping in my DVD of Video Essentials. I would only mess with it if you thought it was off or a problem.

Well, I was talking about that "hidden secret" menu that's in the ONKYO that you can access with a secret method -- this opens up resolution acceptance (for 720p sources I think) and other settings like Sharpness, Color, etc. that the 605 can control for incoming sources -- yet ANOTHER place to adjust picture controls...never would have thought of it through a receiver...

But I was wondering if THAT secret menu needed to be adjusted for HDMI IN/OUT on the 605...

Essentially, does just leaving the 605 on HDMI MONITOR: YES pass any video from HDMI IN to HDMI OUT on the receiver?

aramis109 · 06-29-2008, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClinicaTerra LTD

Well, I was talking about that "hidden secret" menu that's in the ONKYO that you can access with a secret method -- this opens up resolution acceptance (for 720p sources I think) and other settings like Sharpness, Color, etc. that the 605 can control for incoming sources -- yet ANOTHER place to adjust picture controls...never would have thought of it through a receiver...

But I was wondering if THAT secret menu needed to be adjusted for HDMI IN/OUT on the 605...

Essentially, does just leaving the 605 on HDMI MONITOR: YES pass any video from HDMI IN to HDMI OUT on the receiver?

Ok, I started looking into and messing with the secret menu tonight. It only affects analog connections from what I can see. Sharpness, Hue, etc are all only tweaking that. It can also force a 720p resolution from some analog sources. Basically this menu doesn't have anything to do with the incoming HDMI connection.

I have most of my connections going directly to the TV for video since I like having separate settings for all of them. The Wii, 360, and PS3 all need tweaked differently. If I had a cable box or DVR I'd probably plug it right into the receiver. Basically my receiver is audio only with the exception of the PS3.

It's a good menu to have awareness of but it does little to nothing for most things. Leave it be and enjoy the movies.

ClinicaTerra LTD · 06-29-2008, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by aramis109

Ok, I started looking into and messing with the secret menu tonight. It only affects analog connections from what I can see. Sharpness, Hue, etc are all only tweaking that. It can also force a 720p resolution from some analog sources. Basically this menu doesn't have anything to do with the incoming HDMI connection.

I have most of my connections going directly to the TV for video since I like having separate settings for all of them. The Wii, 360, and PS3 all need tweaked differently. If I had a cable box or DVR I'd probably plug it right into the receiver. Basically my receiver is audio only with the exception of the PS3.

It's a good menu to have awareness of but it does little to nothing for most things. Leave it be and enjoy the movies.

Thanx for looking into this for me Aramis; it's appreciated...

See, my situation is a bit different from yours -- I want to send ALL audio and video from one player over the only cable that will allow this: HDMI. I want to send BITSTREAM signals of TrueHD, Master Audio, etc. AND 1080p high definition video from one player, and it seems the ONLY way to do this is via an HDMI OUT from the source to a receiver, which then decodes the AUDIO, and then an HDMI link OUT from the receiver to a display so the 1080p VIDEO can be sent...

Do I have this right??

You know what else bugs me -- before I start enjoying the movies

-- is why would a receiver offer controls for sharpness, color, etc? Doesn't this get a little overkill at a certain point? I mean, we calibrate our displays for color, etc...then there are picture controls inside our DVD PLAYERS and HIGH DEFINITION PLAYERS for color, tint, etc...NOW, there are controls in a hidden menu of a RECEIVER that can adjust for sharpness, etc...how many times do we need to adjust picture? And why would Onkyo hide this for those feeding analog signals through the unit?

06-22-2008, 02:36 AM	#1
ClinicaTerra LTD Banned Member since:Jun 2008	Do I Have This All Set Up Right: Panasonic '10A to Onkyo '605...? My Panasonic DMP-BD10A is going HDMI OUT for audio AND video transfer (no other connections out of the player) to an Onkyo TX-SR605's HDMI IN (1)...from there, a second HDMI cable is going from the '605's HDMI OUT to a Sony KDS-50A2020's HDMI IN (Video 6)...that's it...no other interconnections are being made (except for the speaker cables from the receiver to my speakers...) First of all, is this set up correctly for passing audio (lossy legacy Dolby Digital/DTS and decoded multichannel TrueHD PCM/uncompressed PCM from Blu-rays) AND video (1080p content from Blu-rays and upconverted 1080p DVD video) over one HDMI cable? Everything seems to be working okay -- I have the '10A set to "AUTO" HDMI resolution which selects 1080p for my display (confirmed when I press the Sony remote's DISPLAY button and see "1080p" indicated in the upper right hand corner as the incoming resolution) and I have Dolby Digital, DTS and DTS-HD set to BITSTREAM output and PCM for Dolby TrueHD output -- but I just want to make sure this isn't somehow "robbing" or "clipping" resolution from the HD discs because I'm running the signal through a receiver... In the '605 I have the "HDMI Monitor" set to "Yes" in the setup menu, and all my HDMI assignments are correct -- I have assigned the "DVD" input to HDMI 1 where the Blu-ray player is connected, but should "Monitor" definitely be set to "Yes"? Is this setting just for getting the onscreen menu to display on a TV over HDMI, or is it also to tell the receiver to pass through video on its HDMI out port? If anyone could lend some insight into whether or not I'm connected properly, I would appreciate it; thanks in advance!

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06-22-2008, 03:10 AM	#2
HiDef-Crazy Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Indiana Home Theater Gallery:19 Blu-ray collection:156 Trading Score:21	I have the 605 and the 705 and they are both set to yes on the monitor out and I do believe that is for the on screen menu. I have the BD30K I don't know the difference between mine and yours but it looks like you have it set properly. You are not loosing any resolution running your HDMI through your receiver it is sending the whole signal.

06-22-2008, 04:22 AM	#7
HiDef-Crazy Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Indiana Home Theater Gallery:19 Blu-ray collection:156 Trading Score:21	http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=854964 Here is the link

06-22-2008, 04:42 AM	#8
ClinicaTerra LTD Banned Member since:Jun 2008	I follow your question your higher end receivers do have better repeater chips ...well then, would the HDMI 1080p transfer actually look BETTER on higher end receivers than through my 605? I hooked up mine strait from the BD player to the TV and through my receiver and I did not notice any difference in picture quality. ...so you're saying that your hookup seemed to pass the video straight through the receiver the same as if you went from player to display? I don't transcode over HDMI it is true on that part is does downconvert to 720p using component but running a 1080p HDMI to HDMI will be 1080p. I don't believe the hidden menu has any affect on the HDMI to HDMI output. ...so I was correct that the 605 in particular doesn't do analog-to-1080p upconversion? It simply "transcodes" older analog sources to output over HDMI -- and in this it actually downrezes to 720p?

06-22-2008, 04:53 AM	#9
HiDef-Crazy Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Indiana Home Theater Gallery:19 Blu-ray collection:156 Trading Score:21	well then, would the HDMI 1080p transfer actually look BETTER on higher end receivers than through my 605 That is a good question but in my opinion not enough to notice a difference. But I have never owned a Higher end receiver. ...so you're saying that your hookup seemed to pass the video straight through the receiver the same as if you went from player to display? That is correct so I was correct that the 605 in particular doesn't do analog-to-1080p upconversion? It simply "transcodes" older analog sources to output over HDMI -- and in this it actually downrezes to 720p? That is correct also

06-22-2008, 06:30 AM	#10
ClinicaTerra LTD Banned Member since:Jun 2008	Thank you for your help and opinions, Crazy... Can anyone else lend their insight on whether or not the system seems to be connected correctly in this fashion: ? *HDMI OUT from PANASONIC '10A to HDMI IN (1) of ONKYO '605...HDMI OUT from '605 to HDMI IN of SONY KDS-50A2020* ...and another question for Crazy and others: does this HDMI "looping" connection seem the best way to connect the components, or should I be separating the audio and video connections rather than sending everything over one cable?

06-22-2008, 01:05 PM	#11
reconredneck Banned Member since:Jun 2008	This Might Help you.. This Link will give you some ideas on how to Get the TrueHD & DTS-HD logo's to show up in your recievers display. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=54516 also the upconversion chip on these Onkyo's from 805 down, will up-convert 480 and 1080i down to 720p.. 1080p is pass through unmolested..

06-22-2008, 07:15 PM	#12
ClinicaTerra LTD Banned Member since:Jun 2008	Redneck, Thank you for the link and reply; I know why my receiver isn't "displaying" the new codec logos -- because my Panasonic player can't output them as bitstream...I am aware of this... Instead, my 605's display reads "MULTICHANNEL/PCM/HDMI" when playing back decoded TrueHD tracks from the player...I'm assuming this is correct. So, you are confirming that 1080p IS passthrough unaltered on the 605, yes?

06-23-2008, 05:50 AM	#14
ClinicaTerra LTD Banned Member since:Jun 2008	I have that receiver and yes it is. Thanks Aramis... Yes it is...what? That it's correct that "Multichannel" gets displayed on the 605's front panel when playing decoded PCM tracks from a player over HDMI, or yes, the 1080p passes over unmolested? It's been confirmed on this forum before Okay; didn't know that. Thanx. and my own set confirms it's getting a 1080p signal as well. Are you running it as I am, with an HDMI out from your source deck to the 605's HDMI IN and then another HDMI cable out from the 605 to your display's HDMI in? Even though our sets are displaying this, how do we know the 605 isn't somehow "clipping" the signal somewhere because it's going through two HDMI repeater chipsets? Is it possible that there would be a better picture just running the player direct to the display? The manual also states this (as well as what it does with analog signals). My 605 manual didn't really make this clear; can you tell me what page this is explained on, or provide a link? Thanks again...

06-23-2008, 06:58 PM	#16
ClinicaTerra LTD Banned Member since:Jun 2008	Both. It's going to read as "Multichannel PCM" from your blu-ray player if you're sending it via PCM and not Bitstreaming, and yes, the 1080p passes over unmolested. Thank you. I'm running it the same way you are. I used to run my player directly to the TV via HDMI until last week when I upgraded my receiver. The picture to my eye looks the exact same, and the framing of it is identical. I don't know if you have the newest Die Hard movie, but the menu has a light line framing the screen. On both setups I was running, that line is perfectly framed and not cut off. There is no change in running it through the Onk vs directly to the HDTV. I do in fact own the BD of Live Free or Die Hard, but I will take your word for it that the Onk is not clipping anything... And there's no need to go into that "secret" hidden menu the 605 has to adjust anything for HDMI output? I apologize as I don't remember what page, but I do remember reading it- Crackinhedz actually pointed it out to me in one of my threads asking the same question and I confirmed it in my manual. Lemme see if I can go dig it up. edit Found it. It was a thread I started here: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=52892 Crackin mentions page 47. I'm not sure if that's directly what we're talking about or not but it is related and thus should be close. Thanks so much, bro -- I will read this as soon as I can. You rock!

06-26-2008, 06:11 PM	#17
aramis109 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Milwaukee, WI Home Theater Gallery:10 4K collection:4 Blu-ray collection:360 Trading Score:18	I didn't have to change a thing in the 605's menu for my HDMI setup. After watching a couple movies and checking out that menu, I didn't even bother with going into Sony's hidden setup on their disks or popping in my DVD of Video Essentials. I would only mess with it if you thought it was off or a problem.

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