David Reeves opens mouth, rubbish falls out. No one surprised...

[Blu-Generation]

Originally Posted by robinandtami

and if the PS3 ends up in a distant third this gen.... it will still have plenty enough great games to keep owners busy as well.

So are you saying the PS3 will end up third this gen!? How dare you!

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by robinandtami

Even if that happens.... it won't be as bad as you think. If you think about it... it was the reverse of that scenario last gen. PS2 had huge market share and XBox was lagging far behind. Yes.... the PS2 had TONS more games than the XBox, but a decent percentage of those games were practically unplayable shovelware. No.... not all of them were...... there were many great games out there too. My point is that yes many developers jump on the largest platform bandwagon.... but when they do so for the easy buck.... the games show it. The XBox had more than enough great games to keep gamers busy last gen.... and if the PS3 ends up in a distant third this gen.... it will still have plenty enough great games to keep owners busy as well.

Maybe third, but unlikely to be a distant third. The sales gap is only 6.5m units or so, and when the price starts to drop the gap will only decrease...

[Simplayer]

Originally Posted by Blu-Generation

So are you saying the PS3 will end up third this gen!? How dare you!

It's not that hard to imagine...it'll be close either way.

Anyways, she was just using a comparison from last generation, PS2 a clear winner and Xbox lagging far behind. And even then Xbox got a fair number of multiplatform games. However, this generation isn't like last (for MS and Sony anyways), since the Xbox and the PS are much closer than they were last generation, so the Publishers will have to rely on have the sales of both the systems.

[Blu-Generation]

Originally Posted by Simplayer

It's not that hard to imagine...it'll be close either way.

Anyways, she was just using a comparison from last generation, PS2 a clear winner and Xbox lagging far behind. And even then Xbox got a fair number of multiplatform games. However, this generation isn't like last (for MS and Sony anyways), since the Xbox and the PS are much closer than they were last generation, so the Publishers will have to rely on have the sales of both the systems.

It shouldn't be that hard to imagine that I was kidding either.

And I have no idea robinandtami was a "she". I'll be more of a gentlemen now then.

[Simplayer]

Originally Posted by Blu-Generation

It shouldn't be that hard to imagine that I was kidding either.

Oh, sorry. Subtleties confuse me.

[ADRiiAN`]

This line amuses me..

Originally Posted by David Reeves

Two years ago we lost $2bn dollars globally on the SCE business – we thought at the time it was a lot of money, but in perspective with things like Citibank it’s not that much.

$2bn dollars is not that much?!
Then i'm sure David can send me at LEAST $100 million then. After all, it's not that much

[Uniquely]

Originally Posted by Blu-Generation

So are you saying the PS3 will end up third this gen!? How dare you!

LOL.... no just offering a worst case scenario comparison for the worried gentleman.

[Blu-Generation]

Originally Posted by robinandtami

LOL.... no just offering a worst case scenario comparison for the worried gentleman.

I'm not worried. As long as there's good games for me to play, I'm fine.

And yes, I am a gentleman.

[reiella]

Originally Posted by AranhaHunter

Haha I wish every PR person was like Reeves...lol



I thought they were breaking even on the PS3 HW? I guess not...
Also, since SCEE is the only one in the black for SCEWWS right now, he made it sound that SCEA and SCEJ might be losing money on PS3 software as well as the hardware.



IDK if it was Reeves, but the last price cut was denied by somebody and then like 3 days later they announced a price cut. They have reasons to deny price cuts until they're actually gonna do it.

On hardware break even, it's different with europe, since there is a higher foreign technology tax in place. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they still weren't breaking even due to how the slices break up for 'profit' on a console sale.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Maybe third, but unlikely to be a distant third. The sales gap is only 6.5m units or so, and when the price starts to drop the gap will only decrease...

Yea this generation is way to close, anything can happen still.(go sony)

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by saprano

Yea this generation is way to close, anything can happen still.(go sony)

Then, there are also the lifecycles to consider. X360 is looking at another 4 years TOPS on the market. PS3 is looking at around another 8 years. That's 4 years completely alone on the market. Didn't the PS2 go from 120 million to over 150 million sold in the last 2 years?

[Uniquely]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

Then, there are also the lifecycles to consider. X360 is looking at another 4 years TOPS on the market. PS3 is looking at around another 8 years. That's 4 years completely alone on the market. Didn't the PS2 go from 120 million to over 150 million sold in the last 2 years?

I hope the next XBox comes does out in 2010 at the very latest. I love shiny new electronic toys, and I hate waiting so long to get them. I also think it would be GREAT if the consoles didn't always try to launch so close together. It would be better to be able to get the newest XBox, 2 years later get the newest Wii, and 2 years later get the newest PS. There'd always be something new to look forward to, and it would probably reduce silly little fanboi wars at least a little bit. Only in a perfect world I guess.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by robinandtami

I hope the next XBox comes does out in 2010 at the very latest. I love shiny new electronic toys, and I hate waiting so long to get them. I also think it would be GREAT if the consoles didn't always try to launch so close together. It would be better to be able to get the newest XBox, 2 years later get the newest Wii, and 2 years later get the newest PS. There'd always be something new to look forward to, and it would probably reduce silly little fanboi wars at least a little bit. Only in a perfect world I guess.

So you love short lifecycles and less value for the money (a direct result of a short lifecycle). To each his/her own, I guess.

You think staggering console releases would "reduce silly little fanboi wars"? See current gen's staggered release as a reference point. Have "silly little fanboi wars" decreased or increased in scale? The X360 "fanboi" has taken that to mean they have are beating the PS3 in sales. Trying to get them to accept an aligned launch for a fair numbers comparison is like trying to thread a shoelace through a sewing needle.

[mightypen]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

So you love short lifecycles and less value for the money (a direct result of a short lifecycle). To each his/her own, I guess.

You think staggering console releases would "reduce silly little fanboi wars"? See current gen's staggered release as a reference point. Have "silly little fanboi wars" decreased or increased in scale? The X360 "fanboi" has taken that to mean they have are beating the PS3 in sales. Trying to get them to accept an aligned launch for a fair numbers comparison is like trying to thread a shoelace through a sewing needle.

Console cycles really should only be 5-6 years. Who on a tech-forward website such as this believes otherwise? Games on a 5 year old console are not going to compare favorably to new pc games.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

Then, there are also the lifecycles to consider. X360 is looking at another 4 years TOPS on the market. PS3 is looking at around another 8 years. That's 4 years completely alone on the market. Didn't the PS2 go from 120 million to over 150 million sold in the last 2 years?

Yep thats very true but what does that matter, the ps3 is done for.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by mightypen

Console cycles really should only be 5-6 years. Who on a tech-forward website such as this believes otherwise? Games on a 5 year old console are not going to compare favorably to new pc games.

Just in case you didn't notice, the PS3 came out in year 6 of the PS2's lifecycle. So, obviously, your point can't be about the top of the line PS comparing favorably to NEW PC games. Anyway, people seem to be STILL be enjoying the PS2. Think about it.

[mightypen]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

Just in case you didn't notice, the PS3 came out in year 6 of the PS2's lifecycle. So, obviously, your point can't be about the top of the line PS comparing favorably to NEW PC games. Anyway, people seem to be STILL be enjoying the PS2. Think about it.

Er, my point was that any game released in year 5 or 6 of a console is not going to stand up to a top tier pc game released at the same time. Is that even up for debate, really?

Sure people are enjoying the ps2, read what I said-that wasn't my point. My point was-on a forum in which technology is pushed pushed pushed, to take an opposite stance on a videogame console strikes me as contradictory. Who cares about people who wait to pick up $99 consoles at the tail end of a lifecycle with successors already on the market-they are not pushing game exclusives to any great extent.

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Oh... I see. I misunderstood you-when you said "That's 4 years completely alone on the market" I thought you meant that you thought Sony wouldn't release a successor until the mid 20-teens. My bad.

[AranhaHunter]

Originally Posted by mightypen

Er, my point was that any game released in year 5 or 6 of a console is not going to stand up to a top tier pc game released at the same time. Is that even up for debate, really?

That's true, but before it used to be any game released in year 2 or 3 of a console wouldn't stand up to a top tier PC game and nowadays that's not true. I'm thinking we'll see the next generation around 2012.

[Marquoz]

Originally Posted by robinandtami

..... and if the PS3 ends up in a distant third this gen.... it will still have plenty enough great games to keep owners busy as well.

+ infinity

THAT is all that matters about the game system. If it sells 500,000,000,000,000 etc consoles or 5, as long as it has games worth playing, it doesn't matter.

[PA_Kid]

Originally Posted by mightypen

Er, my point was that any game released in year 5 or 6 of a console is not going to stand up to a top tier pc game released at the same time. Is that even up for debate, really?

Sure people are enjoying the ps2, read what I said-that wasn't my point. My point was-on a forum in which technology is pushed pushed pushed, to take an opposite stance on a videogame console strikes me as contradictory. Who cares about people who wait to pick up $99 consoles at the tail end of a lifecycle with successors already on the market-they are not pushing game exclusives to any great extent.

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Oh... I see. I misunderstood you-when you said "That's 4 years completely alone on the market" I thought you meant that you thought Sony wouldn't release a successor until the mid 20-teens. My bad.

This may sound like sacrilige, but higher tech doesn't always equate to a better game or better sales. In fact trying to be bleeding edge frequently cost games more.

Look at the 800 lb MMO gorilla WoW - even when it came out it's cartoony graphics were not top of the line - but I'm still sure that everybody and their brother would love to have their subscribers.

And of course look at the Wii - which is beating the pants off everyone with the weaker "standard" tech.

I'd wager that as systems get more powerful, graphics power is not going to be as big a deal as it used to be - it will be more about the revolutionary changes like adding bluetooth, motion sensing technology, and alternate interfaces - things like GH/RB, the Wii controlers, Wii-fit and such.