Suikoden

[BlackMamba]

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

Well when FFVII came out that was the only game I thought of for atleast 2 months.

Hey, I don't blame you! Suikoden though is one of those unknown gems.

[Blu-Runner]

I beat Suikoden about 3 times back when I had it on PSOne disc. I d/led it from PSN but haven't played it too much. From what I remember it's not very long at all, I had all 108 characters and everything and had it beaten in less than 25 hours. Here's to hoping that part 2 gets released, because that game was much better.

[j_rocca42]

Originally Posted by Blu-Runner

I beat Suikoden about 3 times back when I had it on PSOne disc. I d/led it from PSN but haven't played it too much. From what I remember it's not very long at all, I had all 108 characters and everything and had it beaten in less than 25 hours. Here's to hoping that part 2 gets released, because that game was much better.

That's not that long. you did all the side quests and what not. I remember putting in 70-80+ on FFVII-X

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by BlackMamba

Hey, I don't blame you! Suikoden though is one of those unknown gems.

I can see why it was overlooked just graphically alone as FFVII blows it clearly out of the water.

Though I can't compare gameplay/story as I've played for 5 minutes. Though I have to say the audio in the game is a lot better than I expected, superior to FFVII in terms of quality.

[BlackMamba]

Originally Posted by Blu-Runner

I beat Suikoden about 3 times back when I had it on PSOne disc. I d/led it from PSN but haven't played it too much. From what I remember it's not very long at all, I had all 108 characters and everything and had it beaten in less than 25 hours. Here's to hoping that part 2 gets released, because that game was much better.

Yeah, I remember it was relatively short for an RPG at the time. However, I don't ever think that length has ever been a determining factor of how good a game actually is. Don't agree with your assessment that S2 was much better than S1. But, I guess different strokes for different folks (although the games were quite similar - kind of like an FFIV to FFV type deal)... at least you actually played S1 when it came out unlike some other people who proclaim S2 the best without having played S1 or playing it a) after S2 and/or b) way after it was released.

[BlackMamba]

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

I can see why it was overlooked just graphically alone as FFVII blows it clearly out of the water.

Though I can't compare gameplay/story as I've played for 5 minutes. Though I have to say the audio in the game is a lot better than I expected, superior to FFVII in terms of quality.

True, FFVII was kind of like the KZ2 of its age! However, I think Suikoden 2D hand-drawn style ages much better than its 3D counterparts (Wild Arms battle scenes...ugh. The story scenes and overhead view...still good)... 2D just has that certain appeal.

[dk3dknight]

Originally Posted by BlackMamba

Neither did 95% of Playstation owners at the time. It was totally overshadowed by FF7. Most people started with Suikoden 2 which is another reason that game seems to be the one that gets the most fanfare.

Yeah I love them both

Originally Posted by BlackMamba

Hey, I don't blame you! Suikoden though is one of those unknown gems.

Indeed it was.. thankfully I told my friends about it and they all purchased it..

Originally Posted by Blu-Runner

I beat Suikoden about 3 times back when I had it on PSOne disc. I d/led it from PSN but haven't played it too much. From what I remember it's not very long at all, I had all 108 characters and everything and had it beaten in less than 25 hours. Here's to hoping that part 2 gets released, because that game was much better.

25 hours you mean for the introducty sequence alone... -_- of course I farm, I find im having problems finding the nameless pot.. I know who drops it but there not dropping it.

Originally Posted by j_rocca42

That's not that long. you did all the side quests and what not. I remember putting in 70-80+ on FFVII-X

I recall the same 70-120 hours matters how much you grilled monsters...

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

I can see why it was overlooked just graphically alone as FFVII blows it clearly out of the water.

Though I can't compare gameplay/story as I've played for 5 minutes. Though I have to say the audio in the game is a lot better than I expected, superior to FFVII in terms of quality.

The artwork has a special feel to it, and that makes it even more special.. the audio is shocking well put together.. The sound track itself has 48 songs..

Can you imagine a game where there are more characters then you will ever bother to level up.. each having there own uniquness bringing something special... to the team.

Oh and remeber if you can bring together all 108 characters something cool happens...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/108_Sta...tiny_(Suikoden) thats a list of all the characters have fun...

Originally Posted by BlackMamba

Yeah, I remember it was relatively short for an RPG at the time. However, I don't ever think that length has ever been a determining factor of how good a game actually is. Don't agree with your assessment that S2 was much better than S1. But, I guess different strokes for different folks (although the games were quite similar - kind of like an FFIV to FFV type deal)... at least you actually played S1 when it came out unlike some other people who proclaim S2 the best without having played S1 or playing it a) after S2 and/or b) way after it was released.

They each brought something different to the table and were both enjoyable.

Originally Posted by BlackMamba

True, FFVII was kind of like the KZ2 of its age! However, I think Suikoden 2D hand-drawn style ages much better than its 3D counterparts (Wild Arms battle scenes...ugh. The story scenes and overhead view...still good)... 2D just has that certain appeal.

Sadly it overshadowed the best rpgs for playstation.. Xenogears, Star Ocean 2, Legend of Lagaia.. so many more.. some people totally missed out...

I feel sorry for them.

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by dk3dknight

Sadly it overshadowed the best rpgs for playstation.. Xenogears, Star Ocean 2, Legend of Lagaia.. so many more.. some people totally missed out...

I feel sorry for them.

I have those sitting next to my PS3. Maybe when I get tired of this game, I'll put one of them in.

[dk3dknight]

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

I have those sitting next to my PS3. Maybe when I get tired of this game, I'll put one of them in.

How about the first grandia so you had the other 3 too, Xenogears, Star Ocean 2, Legend of Lagaia?

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by dk3dknight

How about the first grandia so you had the other 3 too, Xenogears, Star Ocean 2, Legend of Lagaia?

Nope, don't have that one, but yeah, I have those 3 as well as all the Final Fantasy and Chrono Trigger 1 and 2 all waiting to be replayed.

[dk3dknight]

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

Nope, don't have that one, but yeah, I have those 3 as well as all the Final Fantasy and Chrono Trigger 1 and 2 all waiting to be replayed.

Chrono Trigger 2...

-_- Do you mean Chrono Cross. THAT IS NOT @#$! Chrono Trigger 2..

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by dk3dknight

Chrono Trigger 2...

-_- Do you mean Chrono Cross. THAT IS NOT @#$! Chrono Trigger 2..

lol my bad, just checked and you are right! Considering its only on 2 discs and a PS1 title, I don't know why its now on the PSN store with a ton other Squaresoft titles.

[BlackMamba]

Originally Posted by dk3dknight

How about the first grandia so you had the other 3 too, Xenogears, Star Ocean 2, Legend of Lagaia?

Grandia - another classic (along with all the other games you mentioned. SO2 let me down slightly but that's only because I set my hopes up a little too high for that game. Still good though).

[BlackMamba]

Originally Posted by dk3dknight

Chrono Trigger 2...

-_- Do you mean Chrono Cross. THAT IS NOT @#$! Chrono Trigger 2..

I think people have been praying for a CT2 for a long time

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by BlackMamba

Grandia - another classic (along with all the other games you mentioned. SO2 let me down slightly but that's only because I set my hopes up a little too high for that game. Still good though).

Ummmm how in the world did Star Ocean 2 let your down slightly?! The fighting system alone revolutionized RPG turn-based fighting imo.

[BlackMamba]

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

Ummmm how in the world did Star Ocean 2 let your down slightly?! The fighting system alone revolutionized RPG turn-based fighting imo.

I did enjoy it a lot but my hopes were extremely high for this game after hoping SO1 would come out here back in the SNES days. The fighting system was good, you're right. The narrative just wasn't as appealing to me and I don't seem to remember any memorable tunes/moments from the game like I do with S1, S2, FF Tactics, CT, FFIV, FFVI, etc...

[dk3dknight]

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

lol my bad, just checked and you are right! Considering its only on 2 discs and a PS1 title, I don't know why its now on the PSN store with a ton other Squaresoft titles.

Its okay I just wanted to ensure the mistake did not start to become common place.. a few chibi versions of 3 of the characters from CT are seen in a dream sequnece but there not happy.. there is no other connection between them.. And well the game gravely dissapointed me...

Originally Posted by BlackMamba

Grandia - another classic (along with all the other games you mentioned. SO2 let me down slightly but that's only because I set my hopes up a little too high for that game. Still good though).

Grandia was one of those games that you can say it was pure... , star ocean 2 was almost perfect..

Originally Posted by BlackMamba

I think people have been praying for a CT2 for a long time

Indeed square squashed the fan community who tried to recreate the game...

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

Ummmm how in the world did Star Ocean 2 let your down slightly?! The fighting system alone revolutionized RPG turn-based fighting imo.

If you say that then you do not know your history...

Tales of Phantasia -> Star Ocean -> Star Ocean Second Story

That was the progression, you will find it used the same battle system as Star Ocean 1, which was a improvement to Tales of Phantasia which is a very solid snes game btw..

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by BlackMamba

I did enjoy it a lot but my hopes were extremely high for this game after hoping SO1 would come out here back in the SNES days. The fighting system was good, you're right. The narrative just wasn't as appealing to me and I don't seem to remember any memorable tunes/moments from the game like I do with S1, S2, FF Tactics, CT, FFIV, FFVI, etc...

I agree the story and music was lacking in comparison to those other titles mentioned.

Do you remember playing that Coluseum? Its at the very end. I remember playing in there longer than I did with the actual story, lol.

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by dk3dknight

If you say that then you do not know your history...

Tales of Phantasia -> Star Ocean -> Star Ocean Second Story

That was the progression, you will find it used the same battle system as Star Ocean 1, which was a improvement to Tales of Phantasia which is a very solid snes game btw..

Well yeah as I didn't play Tales of Phantasia nor Star Ocean 1!

[j_rocca42]

Nobody is bringing up the BoF series. I loved 3 and 4!