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Old 03-14-2009, 07:42 PM   #21
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Still gonna cost too much. I don't think that will happen.
Samuel L Jackson has been signed on for HOW many Marvel movies already?

Do you honestly think that from this point forward Marvel is going to check their brain at the door and NOT sign all these actors that rumors are flying around about to multi-movie contracts?

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Old 03-14-2009, 07:56 PM   #22
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this is awesome news if it turns out to be true!!!

i love what favs did w/iron man and can't wait to see iron man 2!!!
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Old 03-14-2009, 08:19 PM   #23
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I thought Downey had a 3 movie deal (with Marvel options) that includes Iron Man 2 and The Avengers. Good to see that Favreau may get this, I think he would do an amazing job on this.
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Old 03-14-2009, 11:35 PM   #24
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You add the salary for the actors and then you add the special effects. It adds up.
Agreed, but remember a lot of the SFX work will be easy since each character will have been mapped and computer ready. I think you may be over thinking what I'm saying. Of course it's going to be expensive, but not cost prohibitive. I'm sure there'll be conventional FX mixed with CG.

Of course if the story isn't good then it'll be all for naught. I have faith (based on the two movies Marvel has done so far) that they are making wise choices.

Also just thought of this, If they get Favreau, then after the completion of Iron Man 2, it would be conceivable that he be on the sets of the other movies to utilize the actors and sets if they're called for in Avengers (be it flashbacks or whatever). This could feasibly save millions of dollars and time as well.
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I thought Downey had a 3 movie deal (with Marvel options) that includes Iron Man 2 and The Avengers. Good to see that Favreau may get this, I think he would do an amazing job on this.
Absolutely right.
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Old 03-14-2009, 11:48 PM   #26
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perhaps to save on some costs they may also decide to film some scenes during IM2 etc if there are any scenes with just these characters in!
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Old 03-14-2009, 11:55 PM   #27
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perhaps to save on some costs they may also decide to film some scenes during IM2 etc if there are any scenes with just these characters in!
I mean, it makes sense. I doubt the script is done, but for example might be a short scene with Potts and Stark in the Malibu estate before he heads for New York (or whatever).
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Old 03-15-2009, 02:05 AM   #28
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Samuel L Jackson has been signed on for HOW many Marvel movies already?

Do you honestly think that from this point forward Marvel is going to check their brain at the door and NOT sign all these actors that rumors are flying around about to multi-movie contracts?

Logan
Do you honestly know for sure that all of the others are signed on? Nope. Cuz they are all not. They'll have to take a drastic pay cut for an Avengers film. The special effect alone will cause this film's budget to be astronomical. I don't see this film happening with an A - list cast.
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Old 03-15-2009, 02:17 AM   #29
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I'm pretty sure marvel has the contract thing down at this point. I'm more than positive that main characters like Iron Man and the Incredible Hulk were signed for more than just the single movies. You have to figure thats why they gave Hulk a second go around (aside from how horrible the fist one was ). The idea for an Avengers movie has probably been hanging in the balance since X-Men hit big. That had a pretty A-list cast who did all three movies.

Whats the latest rumor on who's playing the rest of the Avengers? At one point I thought I read that Brad Pitt and Matthew McConaughey were heavily rumored to play parts with the latter playing Captain America.
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Old 03-15-2009, 03:57 AM   #30
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Do you honestly know for sure that all of the others are signed on? Nope.
Once they do sign on, it'll be a multi-picture deal. Or do you think they only sign on the B-cast {Jackson} for multi-picture deals?

Do you really not know Hollywood?

If the entire thing is leading up to the Avengers, why would they let individual actors dangle and be able to re-negotiate their contracts if their individual movies become massive hits?

That's not only bad business, but also really dumb@$$.

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Cuz they are all not. They'll have to take a drastic pay cut for an Avengers film.
Unless Marvel is smart in negotiating.

If they give any of the principle actors in the Avengers a cut of the take, then that'll pad their accounts.

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The special effect alone will cause this film's budget to be astronomical.
Depends on what the story is, or {as others have mentioned} they can add a few million to the budget of the individual movies in order to help out with the budget of Avengers when the time comes.

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I do.

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Old 03-15-2009, 01:17 PM   #31
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Once they do sign on, it'll be a multi-picture deal. Or do you think they only sign on the B-cast {Jackson} for multi-picture deals?

Do you really not know Hollywood?

If the entire thing is leading up to the Avengers, why would they let individual actors dangle and be able to re-negotiate their contracts if their individual movies become massive hits?

That's not only bad business, but also really dumb@$$.



Unless Marvel is smart in negotiating.

If they give any of the principle actors in the Avengers a cut of the take, then that'll pad their accounts.



Depends on what the story is, or {as others have mentioned} they can add a few million to the budget of the individual movies in order to help out with the budget of Avengers when the time comes.



I do.

Logan
Multi - picture deals are common. At this point, it's just not logical for an A-list star to sign on for an Avengers film without Marvel guaranteeing a substantial salary. Can you not agree with that?

Now, some will be able and willing to a pay cut. But, my theory is that most won't. I base that off of most A-list actors not willing to take a pay cut.

Do I know Hollywood? Simple answer. Yes. No, need to get back into that again.

"If the entire thing is leading up to the Avengers, why would they let individual actors dangle and be able to re-negotiate their contracts if their individual movies become massive hits? "

Same reason JLA is stuck in pre - production going on years and years now. You have to take into account what is going on with the JLA film, because yes JLA and Avengers are two different things. But you like patterns and comparing things to others.

So, let's compare the two. Why is JLA stuck in pre - production? Several reasons, but here are a few. First, budget constraints. Budget constraints for the effects of demonstrating each superhero's ability. Second, casting. The JLA film is rumored to be using a relatively unknown cast without A-list actors. So, the question remains of would people go to a film about the JLA if it has for example an unknown Batman and Superman different from Routh or Bale?

So, that bring us back to the Avengers.

Your points really don't make any valid sense at all. Because many actors and actress get paid a salary for film, but they also can get a cut of the DVD sales, box office sales, etc. So, it's not something that is necessarily unique to this film.

I don't think you realize how expensive this film is going be. They can add money from each individual film, but who is to say that that's still gonna be enough? You?

Do you not remember the whole Tobey Maguire deal where he was on the fence about returning as Peter Parker in a 4th installment?

What about the Edward Norton in the Incredible Hulk where he disagreed with Louis Lettier tremendously over what should be included and not, but he was still a producer?

These points illustrate that not only do you have to take cost into consideration, but you have to go a long way to making these people happy if you are gonna put them in another film with that character. That's more $$$.

If Marvel is willing to shell out lots of money, then by all means. They can go ahead and do it.

What is more realistic and what might be seen is that Marvel has a couple of A-list (a relatively small amount) actors with mostly unknowns or mediocre talent fill in the gaps.

Can you not agree with that?
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Old 03-15-2009, 02:05 PM   #32
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I think that if Favreau directs, this will be at the very least a decent film. He cares enough to listen to the fans about their fears and hopes, trying to appease them as best he can. Looking forward to Iron Man II, and the rest of the MARVEL line up in the near future.
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Old 03-15-2009, 03:34 PM   #33
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Favreau would be a good choice. He did an excellent job on IronMan and considering how IronMan is a pivotal figure in the Avengers, it would definitely be a good move I think.
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I am all in favor of Favreau doing The Avengers, he did a wonderful job with Iron Man

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Old 03-15-2009, 04:59 PM   #35
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Same reason JLA is stuck in pre - production going on years and years now. You have to take into account what is going on with the JLA film, because yes JLA and Avengers are two different things. But you like patterns and comparing things to others.
but JLA is a lot more like X-man then Avengers. Marvel decided they will have the avengers film, then they decided that they will have the individual hero films first. IM was not just a film of IM but also the introduction of that hero for Avengers, same with the new Hulk, CA and Thor.......... Do you think Marvel is introducing these characters in the individual movies just to have other people play them in the big/unifying, avengers film? no the rest are just for the introduction of the characters and to set it all up for the Avenger's film where they all team up. Why would they use other actors?
This is not X-man or JLA, the team is not that big and all the characters would have had their origins fleshed out.
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but JLA is a lot more like X-man then Avengers. Marvel decided they will have the avengers film, then they decided that they will have the individual hero films first. IM was not just a film of IM but also the introduction of that hero for Avengers, same with the new Hulk, CA and Thor.......... Do you think Marvel is introducing these characters in the individual movies just to have other people play them in the big/unifying, avengers film? no the rest are just for the introduction of the characters and to set it all up for the Avenger's film where they all team up. Why would they use other actors?
This is not X-man or JLA, the team is not that big and all the characters would have had their origins fleshed out.
Actually they are both very similar. The cost of the production budget for both will be huge. And both run the risk of if you use different actors will audiences show up?

I'm more than in agreement with you that these characters were setup for Avengers film, but that DOESN'T mean that every actors has that has played them is attached at this point or will be attached.
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they're attached dude. don't be stupid or silly. marvel's not that dumb. you can't have iron man in the avengers movie without robert downy jr. marvel knows what it's doing. moreso than me or any other forum poster on the net.
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they're attached dude. don't be stupid or silly. marvel's not that dumb. you can't have iron man in the avengers movie without robert downy jr. marvel knows what it's doing. moreso than me or any other forum poster on the net.
I hope they have been signed on, but at this point we don't know for sure. Robert Downey Jr. and Don Cheadle and Samuel L. Jackson are rumored to be right now, but that's it unless someone can show proof otherwise.
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they're going to be attached. it's part of the deal with these solo movies. it's why they're making them.
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they're going to be attached. it's part of the deal with these solo movies. it's why they're making them.
How do you explain Tobey Maguire's hesitation to come back for a 4th or Norton's frustration with Louis Lettier?

I mean they could be, but I mean do you anything saying that anyone besides the three I listed are at this point? I'm not trying to be critical of you. I'm just curious to see if there's anything about the others.

I thought they were making them because Marvel was trying to cash in on each character in addition to an Avengers film.
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