‘Superman & Lois’ TV Series

[vertigop1ayer]

Originally Posted by kevin87

I feel like the S&L writers forgot Kara exists... they were talking about "where's Superman?" and Henry was trying to step in some and Jordan decided to step up and help... but literally Supergirl should still be around. Doesn't have to have Melissa Benoist as a guest star, just have a CGI girl flying around on the news. Or since they're both WB, just maybe use some stock CGI footage.

It's just general suspension of disbelief that we have to do for any shared superhero universes. Nothing new in comic books, movies, or shows. And let's be frank: it'd be a lose-lose for these folks. If they show or talk about it, we'll complain we don't even want to be reminded this exists in cheap CWland. If they don't talk about it, then we complain about it for other reasons. And maybe I'm over-analyzing, but they didn't really portray Arrowverse Supergirl to be as "global" in her operations as Superman, even if she's every bit as capable and powerful as he is. She saved that plane in the series premiere, but that was relatively local and it didn't seem like she was off saving the world aside from some supervillains.

Originally Posted by ben6543

Didn't they reuse the footage of that Airplane that was falling in the sky from Supergirl's First Season. It looked Identical to the one she saved.

What is with the breaks during this season?

First break no episodes till March 22nd. We get the episode now no episodes till April 26th. what's going on?

There was a break during the Olympics (and many shows paused at that time), although I don't think I've heard what this one is. Does this show take longer in post compared to the lower budget CW content? That could be a factor if so.

[kevin87]

Originally Posted by vertigop1ayer

It's just general suspension of disbelief that we have to do for any shared superhero universes. Nothing new in comic books, movies, or shows. And let's be frank: it'd be a lose-lose for these folks. If they show or talk about it, we'll complain we don't even want to be reminded this exists in cheap CWland. If they don't talk about it, then we complain about it for other reasons. And maybe I'm over-analyzing, but they didn't really portray Arrowverse Supergirl to be as "global" in her operations as Superman, even if she's every bit as capable and powerful as he is. She saved that plane in the series premiere, but that was relatively local and it didn't seem like she was off saving the world aside from some supervillains.

I would be fine if they were in their own universe, but they went out of their way to bring the Supers and Black Lightning onto Earth-Prime with Crisis so crossovers would be easier, and while I understand perfectly fine that they can't have a ton of crossover due to Covid and any travel and specific set limitations, but I wish they'd stop acting like it wasn't connected.... BECAUSE YOU MADE A POINT TO CONNECT THEM ALL! We don't need to have them bring up Kara every episode, but apart from Jenna Dewan returning as Lucy, they've ignored the show completely and I'm surprised they didn't just recast her like they did with their dad and act like Supergirl events were part of some weird fever dream because her and Diggle's (one) appearance are basically the only things that have set it in the Arrowverse.

When Clark went to Argo City, Supergirl was picking up the slack and was worldwide for a while. But even being a National City hero, with Clark gone she would be more likely to step up again, even if it's just showing a CGI Supergirl flying around on the news.

[vertigop1ayer]

Originally Posted by kevin87

I would be fine if they were in their own universe, but they went out of their way to bring the Supers and Black Lightning onto Earth-Prime with Crisis so crossovers would be easier, and while I understand perfectly fine that they can't have a ton of crossover due to Covid and any travel and specific set limitations, but I wish they'd stop acting like it wasn't connected.... BECAUSE YOU MADE A POINT TO CONNECT THEM ALL! We don't need to have them bring up Kara every episode, but apart from Jenna Dewan returning as Lucy, they've ignored the show completely and I'm surprised they didn't just recast her like they did with their dad and act like Supergirl events were part of some weird fever dream because her and Diggle's (one) appearance are basically the only things that have set it in the Arrowverse.

When Clark went to Argo City, Supergirl was picking up the slack and was worldwide for a while. But even being a National City hero, with Clark gone she would be more likely to step up again, even if it's just showing a CGI Supergirl flying around on the news.

But again, this is pretty conventional to have other heroes which aren't utilized within a specific universe. In Titans for example, at a certain point it could seem a bit ridiculous for Wonder Woman, Superman, or other leading heroes to never show up even when the Titans clearly could use the help.

Perhaps I am not in the majority here, but I don't really want the constant connecting of all the in-universe characters despite wanting a shared universe. It makes for a fun team-up moment, even smaller scale ones, but throwing too many cameos, allusions, and references to other characters (aka other shows) can eventually cause a show to struggle to stand apart as an individual work. Plus we all know Arrowverse content has at times gotten bloated when they lose focus on their main character. I have no problem with them showing Kara on the news or something - I just don't want them to feel like they need to explain away everything at all times and (quite literally) lose the plot in search of making a fantasy universe more realistic. But in terms of say, an arc with a guest appearance of Supergirl? That could be perfectly entertaining.

Worse, as I recall Kara's decision on her identity may sound good in isolation, but within the context of the shared universe it puts a number of her allies in a very awkward place. We'll see if they ever bring back the character as Supergirl, but that choice itself puts the Supergirl series somewhat at odds with the rest of the Arrowverse, even if it can seem like it is S&L that attempts to be isolated.

[kevin87]

Originally Posted by vertigop1ayer

But again, this is pretty conventional to have other heroes which aren't utilized within a specific universe. In Titans for example, at a certain point it could seem a bit ridiculous for Wonder Woman, Superman, or other leading heroes to never show up even when the Titans clearly could use the help.

Perhaps I am not in the majority here, but I don't really want the constant connecting of all the in-universe characters despite wanting a shared universe. It makes for a fun team-up moment, even smaller scale ones, but throwing too many cameos, allusions, and references to other characters (aka other shows) can eventually cause a show to struggle to stand apart as an individual work. Plus we all know Arrowverse content has at times gotten bloated when they lose focus on their main character. I have no problem with them showing Kara on the news or something - I just don't want them to feel like they need to explain away everything at all times and (quite literally) lose the plot in search of making a fantasy universe more realistic. But in terms of say, an arc with a guest appearance of Supergirl? That could be perfectly entertaining.

Worse, as I recall Kara's decision on her identity may sound good in isolation, but within the context of the shared universe it puts a number of her allies in a very awkward place. We'll see if they ever bring back the character as Supergirl, but that choice itself puts the Supergirl series somewhat at odds with the rest of the Arrowverse, even if it can seem like it is S&L that attempts to be isolated.

Doesn't have to reference a ton of stuff, or even reference specific details from Supergirl... the other shows don't really do that either, maybe they'll give a throwaway reference to Metropolis or Gotham, but they're pretty much self-contained now. But when the news on S&L is asking highlighting Superman's absence and needing help, and then JHI is on there saving the day, why didn't they at least throw in a CGI Supergirl during one of the news stories doing something heroic? I could see them not bringing up The Flash or Batwoman, but Supergirl is directly related, literally. Plus it's the parent show to this one. Just seems odd to completely forget her.

[matirocker]

I haven't watched any of the other CW shows, only Superman & Lois, so it's not a problem to me, but I clearly understand how it is one for everyone else.

Other than that, I felt the latest episode was the season's best yet, and that's strange to say, considering Superman's not in it.

Maybe it's just how I'm feeling today, but the emotional moments really got to me, specially the Nat & John scenes.

Interesting to see Jon starting to get powers now! And thankfuly the "Superboy" was Jon from the inverse world. Those leaked photos of him got me really worried and this way I'm cool with it!

[rikraq]

Originally Posted by matirocker

Interesting to see Jon starting to get powers now!

When did that happen? Are you talking about with the XK?

[matirocker]

Originally Posted by rikraq

When did that happen? Are you talking about with the XK?

I assumed Jon's "headache" as he was walking his girlfriend home were his powers starting to kick in. I guess I could be wrong.

[unsung122212]

Originally Posted by matirocker

I assumed Jon's "headache" as he was walking his girlfriend home were his powers starting to kick in. I guess I could be wrong.

I thought that also till the Bizarro Jonathon showed up at the end of the episode. I think it was just him sensing his bizarro self or perhaps he was feeling the merging of him and his bizarro self starting.

[rikraq]

Originally Posted by unsung122212

I thought that also till the Bizarro Jonathon showed up at the end of the episode. I think it was just him sensing his bizarro self or perhaps he was feeling the merging of him and his bizarro self starting.

Yeah, that was the reason.

[LexInHD]

The latest news is that the show is going to address the lack of Supergirl connectivity and overall Arrowverse connectivity in the later episodes of this season. Even though the Crisis event set up S&L and deliberately did so in the last shot of the Arrowverse Superman, this particular show feels more like it takes place in an alternate reality that is very similar to the Arrowverse and has some of the same foundation, yet is very different. Diggle's appearance in the Smallville siege arc of the first season was supposed to give that Arrow connectivity, but it just felt like a half-assed attempt at connecting S&L to the rest of the Arrowverse shows by throwing some referential dialog from a character doing a one-off appearance during a spate of appearances in the Arrowverse shows, despite no other connective tissue in the entire series at that time or since.

[vertigop1ayer]

Yeah the comments and internet rumors are certainly interesting regarding the possibility of bringing back

[Show spoiler]Supergirl

. We'll see what it could be like.

[LexInHD]

The XK activated his latent Kryptonian genes, which turned on his powers. The more XK he gets, the quicker his powers will begin to appear and grow in strength.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

The XK activated his latent Kryptonian genes, which turned on his powers. The more XK he gets, the quicker his powers will begin to appear and grow in strength.

But when did he exhibit his powers?

His brother had to save him from that drug dealer.

[kevin87]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

The XK activated his latent Kryptonian genes, which turned on his powers. The more XK he gets, the quicker his powers will begin to appear and grow in strength.

So far his powers have only exhibited within a short time frame of him taking the XK.

[Moviefan2k4]

I never finished watching the first season of this; just got sidetracked and didn't dedicate myself to it. How does the second year fare, by comparison? Is it better, worse, or the same?

[Samus Aran]

It's about the same. Although some characters are suffering from CW-itis when it comes to the writing.

[SilverFox84]

Yeah i'd say about the same, which is pretty damn good by CW standards. It's not ruined......yet

[Batmon77]

President Seinfeld

[ben6543]

Another great episode.

[Show spoiler]Clark Tells Lana his secret.

Jordan's Fight with Bizzaro Johnathan was awesome.


What's not awesome is another long ****ing break.

New episodes are back May 31st

Here is the reason for long breaks

[yanksno1]

Originally Posted by ben6543

[Show spoiler]Another great episode. Clark Tells Lana his secret. Jordan's Fight with Bizzaro Johnathan was awesome.


What's not awesome is another long ****ing break.

New episodes are back May 31st

Here is the reason for long breaks

Would also appreciate spoiler tags for those that haven't seen the episode yet. But I also practice if I haven't seen a episode/movie yet, I don't come in these threads.

Thought this episode was great!

[Show spoiler]The scene between Jordan and Bizaro Jonathan was movie worthy. We saw glimpses of Jordan flying! Lana finding out the secret was awesome

too.

Hopefully there won't be anymore long breaks after this one.