Jurassic Park Collection 4K UHD (1993-2015)

[shaysaysHAHA]

Has a consensus ever been reached as to whether the 2013 transfer (2D version of the 3D one) is more or less color accurate to the original prints than the UHD?
I've seen both and they looked so different it was hard to imagine that both of these could be relatively "correct" color-wise.

[MuffinMcFluffin]

Originally Posted by shaysaysHAHA

Has a consensus ever been reached as to whether the 2013 transfer (2D version of the 3D one) is more or less color accurate to the original prints than the UHD?
I've seen both and they looked so different it was hard to imagine that both of these could be relatively "correct" color-wise.

I believe the word back in the day was that the BD for JP1 was off. Perhaps it was pushed red or something, I can’t remember. I do know some people even went as far as just watching the 3D version in 2D because it was significantly better (not sure if that had to do with color accuracy though).

I have not yet seen the UHD.

[LMFAObros]

Is JP1 worth it in 4K.

[wildphantom]

Originally Posted by LMFAObros

Is JP1 worth it in 4K.

it's fine. Could be better. A couple of years on from seeing equivalent Uni releases given better treatment it could certainly do with a new release for it's 30th. But yeah, it's worth the upgrade from the blu for sure. Lost World fares the best of the three original movies.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by shaysaysHAHA

Has a consensus ever been reached as to whether the 2013 transfer (2D version of the 3D one) is more or less color accurate to the original prints than the UHD?
I've seen both and they looked so different it was hard to imagine that both of these could be relatively "correct" color-wise.

None of them are right and the DNR ruins it

[profholt82]

Originally Posted by shaysaysHAHA

Has a consensus ever been reached as to whether the 2013 transfer (2D version of the 3D one) is more or less color accurate to the original prints than the UHD?
I've seen both and they looked so different it was hard to imagine that both of these could be relatively "correct" color-wise.

While I saw it in theaters at least 3 or 4 times, let's face it, it's been a long dang time. Hahaha

If color accuracy is super important to you, grab a copy of the original laser disc or original VHS tape and compare it to your blu or uhd. Then adjust the picture settings until it looks close to the LD or VHS. That's really the best way to it for any movie if you're an enthusiast and want the picture to be as close to original as possible.

For most movies that were contemporary to the format, the first run VHS or LD issue that were priced for rental as new releases should be really close to the theatrical film reels. The process of transferring in analog didn't allow for much in the way of color grading. Now, later special editions can be different, however, but those early first edition tapes and discs that they pumped out to get into rental stores by a specific date are basically flat transfers of the source.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

VHS and LD didn't necesarily get colors and grading close to theatrical though and those formats also have fairly poor color response and palette

sometimes they may be closer than the blu-ray but many times equally far off or even worse, it depends. Look at how far off the grading was on the Jawa canyon on home releases of Star Wars for years, until they finally got it right. So many early VHS tapes had it utterly incorrect.

[The Fallen Deity]

Back when the 3D release was being advertised, it looked like they used the pre-converted 2D transfer, and it looked spot on.

The grading, the framing etc. looked accurate.

Then the 3D release came, which is not only cropped, but the saturation in the brown and orange was cranked waaaay too high.

[Geoff D]

It helps when viewing the 3D in 3D (not that I'm making any statements about what it looked like 30 years ago, because no) as the tint of the glasses makes it feel a bit more neutral. Not much, it's still got that warm brown tint, but it doesn't look as gash as it does when viewing the 3D in 2D. Similar story with the DNR, as viewing it in 3D rolls off the sharpness (at least on my TV) so it doesn't look too smudgy, just soft. 3D version still has a verr enjoyable conversion, it's down to a coin toss as to which version I watch whenever I revisit it, 3D or 4K.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It helps when viewing the 3D in 3D (not that I'm making any statements about what it looked like 30 years ago, because no) as the tint of the glasses makes it feel a bit more neutral. Not much, it's still got that warm brown tint, but it doesn't look as gash as it does when viewing the 3D in 2D. Similar story with the DNR, as viewing it in 3D rolls off the sharpness (at least on my TV) so it doesn't look too smudgy, just soft. 3D version still has a verr enjoyable conversion, it's down to a coin toss as to which version I watch whenever I revisit it, 3D or 4K.

Bingo! Watching it in actual 3D does help a lot.

Universal really need to dig out the pre-converted 2D master, give it a tasteful HDR pass and include the original 5.1 mix.

That would be the definitive release imo.

The grading on the UHD is interesting. It's neither the OG grading nor the really heavily altered grading from the DVD & 2D BD.

It's somewhere in-between.

[nick4Knight]

Have Universal ever "re-released", in terms of actual remaster inside one format? I just don't wanna even entertain a 30th anniversary possibility as we don't see a pattern of it how the studios treat 4K UHD; even more penny pinching than ever in home video. Even less want or justification to overly invest.

I still dispute the claim JP1 is from a fresh scan it's probly from a 2000's scan that had the processing applied in the digital pipeline and that's whats left of the OCN scan, an outdated DI riddled w/ older video practices. So we do deserve a fresh one using todays methods prepping for HDR, like Lost World which clearly is a more recent scan as the source before it was ancient and now it's (as mentioned this page) seeing the best treatment of the shot-on-film ones -- I do want that quality for the original and to just give us a half assed but actually OCN version of III one day -- But false hope is no longer an option for me

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

Have Universal ever "re-released", in terms of actual remaster inside one format? I just don't wanna even entertain a 30th anniversary possibility as we don't see a pattern of it how the studios treat 4K UHD; even more penny pinching than ever in home video. Even less want or justification to overly invest.

I still dispute the claim JP1 is from a fresh scan it's probly from a 2000's scan that had the processing applied in the digital pipeline and that's whats left of the OCN scan, an outdated DI riddled w/ older video practices. So we do deserve a fresh one using todays methods prepping for HDR, like Lost World which clearly is a more recent scan as the source before it was ancient and now it's (as mentioned this page) seeing the best treatment of the shot-on-film ones -- I do want that quality for the original and to just give us a half assed but actually OCN version of III one day -- But false hope is no longer an option for me

A few on BD, Breakfast Club being one

[RalphoR]

I and (especially) III need to be redone in 4k. Lost World looks great.

[CinephileConnoisseur]

I’m curious when will Universal release these individually? I guess the best bet would be during the release of the new film of Colin Trevorrow’s Jurassic World: Dominion. I sure hope though individual releases do happen soon.

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

I still dispute the claim JP1 is from a fresh scan it's probly from a 2000's scan that had the processing applied in the digital pipeline and that's whats left of the OCN scan, an outdated DI riddled w/ older video practices. So we do deserve a fresh one using todays methods prepping for HDR, like Lost World which clearly is a more recent scan as the source before it was ancient and now it's (as mentioned this page) seeing the best treatment of the shot-on-film ones -- I do want that quality for the original and to just give us a half assed but actually OCN version of III one day -- But false hope is no longer an option for me

The transfer for Jurassic Park really is a strange one. I would think it would be from the most recent remaster done for the 3D Blu-Ray, although it's probably hard to use as a comparison since that transfer was more heavily DNR filtered for the 3D conversion. If it was, then somebody inexplicably decided to redo the color-timing as if they were the using the old Blu-Ray transfer as a reference.

If it wasn't and they just used an older master instead, that would be even weirder and WTF. I really hope they do go back and do a new better transfer for the 30th.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

The transfer for Jurassic Park really is a strange one. I would think it would be from the most recent remaster done for the 3D Blu-Ray, although it's probably hard to use as a comparison since that transfer was more heavily DNR filtered for the 3D conversion. If it was, then somebody inexplicably decided to redo the color-timing as if they were the using the old Blu-Ray transfer as a reference.

If it wasn't and they just used an older master instead, that would be even weirder and WTF. I really hope they do go back and do a new better transfer for the 30th.

The colour timing is the strangest aspect of this transfer.

I've already said this, but it's neither the OG grading or the heavily altered grading that's on the DVD, 2D BD etc.

It's somewhere in-between.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

The transfer for Jurassic Park really is a strange one. I would think it would be from the most recent remaster done for the 3D Blu-Ray, although it's probably hard to use as a comparison since that transfer was more heavily DNR filtered for the 3D conversion. If it was, then somebody inexplicably decided to redo the color-timing as if they were the using the old Blu-Ray transfer as a reference.

If it wasn't and they just used an older master instead, that would be even weirder and WTF. I really hope they do go back and do a new better transfer for the 30th.

I think nick's on the right track, it just doesn't look like a brand new scan. It's clearly different to both the existing 2D Blu and the 3D Blu, but I'm thinking that whatever was done to that version was done in the stereo realm only and so Universal went back to some older scan that they had on their books.

I reckon they did that with JAWS for UHD, that they didn't scan anything anew, they just went back to the raw scan that they did back in 2012 (yes, studios keep the raw scan data just in case, like how Lawrence of Arabia's actual 8K scans were archived onto LTO tape) and started over.

In JAWS' case the data was of high enough quality that it still looked great in 2020, perhaps a little more could've been eked out but as it is, it works. But in JP1's case they went back to something that was just a bit too old, and having some eejit hammer the opticals and the CG VFX with DNR doesn't help. They may have even done the same thing for JP3, I don't mind the UHD and it bests the BD (apart from the horrendous black crush) but again it just doesn't look as fresh as one might expect.

[StingingVelvet]

Last time I watched this I was honestly fine with the non-VFX shots. I mean obviously it could have been better, but it was fine. Seen a lot worse. Any shot with any kind of VFX though... woof.

[Geoff D]

Agreed, it's not a disaster outside of the VFX shots but it still looks weirdly low rent, scan-wise.

[tyrok]

Originally Posted by CinephileConnoisseur

I’m curious when will Universal release these individually? I guess the best bet would be during the release of the new film of Colin Trevorrow’s Jurassic World: Dominion. I sure hope though individual releases do happen soon.

It depends on how well the individuals for The Mummy and The Purge did or how much they want to boost the box office of JWD by putting moviecash on each one.