Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[russweiss1]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

They are there are they not? The fact that you figured out a way to skip them - good for you. Most can't because they are not using a PC to watch discs from.

Take a guess - out of 100,000 people that play discs - how many are using a PC versus a disc player or game console.

I use players to watch movies and not a PC. I can skip trailers. Not sure what your'e going on about.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

so? and 100% of people that pick a streaming option with ads are willing to have them interrupt their watching. We are all allowed to be individuals.

What is a straw man argument?

A straw man argument, sometimes called a straw person argument or spelled strawman argument, is the logical fallacy of distorting an opposing position into an extreme version of itself and then arguing against that extreme version. In creating a straw man argument, the arguer strips the opposing point of view of any nuance and often misrepresents it in a negative light.

The straw man fallacy is an informal fallacy, which means that the flaw lies with the arguer’s method of arguing rather than the flaws of the argument itself. The straw man fallacy avoids the opponent’s actual argument and instead argues against an inaccurate caricature of it. By doing this, the straw man fallacy is a fallacy of relevance, because with it the arguer doesn’t engage with the relevant components of their opposer’s position.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

This whole chain of posts is based the Disc Defense Force - that includes you - saying there are no ads on discs. Well that was a false statement. You guys are just pissed that I brought it up.

Since you seem to have a problem with my workaround for unskippable ads on old DVDs I'll give you this challenge:

If you can give me workarounds for all of streaming's problems then I'll concede that streaming is better than disc.

• Studios can remove titles from digital collections at any time.
• Studios can remove titles from stores at any time and there is no used market to make them available.
• Studios can remove offensive material at any time.
• Studios can add DNR or make other modifications at any time.
• Studios can insert unskippable advertisements at any time.
• Studios can lower bitrates at any time.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

If you can give me workarounds for all of streaming's problems then I'll concede that streaming is better than disc:

• Studios can remove titles from digital collections at any time.
• Studios can remove titles from stores at any time and there is no used market to make them available.
• Studios can remove offensive material at any time.
• Studios can add DNR or make other modifications at any time.
• Studios can insert unskippable advertisements at any time.
• Studios can lower bitrates at any time.

Can't do it. I never said streaming is better than disc.

BTW - see Straw Man Argument definition above.

Do you admit there are ads on disc? Yes or No.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Can't do it. I never said streaming is better than disc.

BTW - see Straw Man Argument definition above.

Do you admit there are ads on disc? Yes or No.

Yes, there are ads on discs.

But 99.99% of discs don't have unskippable ads. And unlike streaming there is no possible way any studio can insert unskippable ads (or even skippable ads) into existing titles.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by russweiss1

I use players to watch movies and not a PC. I can skip trailers. Not sure what your'e going on about.

How about DVDs from 1997 to 2000?

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Yes, there are ads on discs.

Thank you for being honest - rare virtue around here.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Amazing! Literally every post you make is nothing more than anecdotal evidence. It's not fact. It's nothing more than your opinion. It's totally subjective not objective which is fact.

Trailers are ads PERIOD!

no the facts are

1) that even if it annoys you I am allowed to like trailers and watch them even if they are skippable. that is not anecdotal those are my preference and I never said they need to be yours or anyone elses

2) you had to go back 20 years on a format most here have not watched in a long time to make a useless point since no one said there were not some DVDs with that "feature" but these days skipping trailers (is no issue)

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

You had to go back 20 years on a format most here have not watched in a long time to make a useless point since no one said there were not some DVDs with that "feature" but these days skipping trailers (is no issue)

It sounds like Lee is using a Straw Man Argument.

[Lee A Stewart]

[quote=Anthony P;21568519]no the facts are

1) that even if it annoys you I am allowed to like trailers and watch them even if they are skippable. that is not anecdotal those are my preference and I never said they need to be yours or anyone elses

You can like whatever you want. I would have to care about your likes or dislikes to be annoyed - I don't.

Will YOU admit there are ads on disc - Yes or No.

2) you had to go back 20 years on a format most here have not watched in a long time to make a useless point since no one said there were not some DVDs with that "feature" but these days skipping trailers (is no issue)

It's only a useless point to you because it blows a hole big enough to sink your argument - no ads on disc.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

It sounds like Lee is using a Straw Man Argument.

I am only talking about ads on disc. You guys are introducing: they are skippable, there are ads on streaming, which has absolutely nothing to do with my original post on this matter:



I have definitely struck a nerve. You want proof? Here we are 2 PAGES LATER and you all are still trying to defend anyway you can that it's OK to have ads on disc.

[russweiss1]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

How about DVDs from 1997 to 2000?

I have thousands of discs. If 1% of my titles might not be able to skip trailers, I'm ok with that.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

I can find more if you like. Only took 10 seconds to find that one. You didn't know about it cause you never mentioned it. Great discovery on my part - you lose!

OK one on UHD BD, don't go with an other DVD from 20 years ago, since I have not re-watched any of my DVDs in over 15 years. Plus I pointed out in my first reply to you

Originally Posted by Anthony P

3) trailers were mostly an artefact of the rental world. The studio wanted the renter to go to the rental place and say "I just saw a trailer for Movie Y. when will you get movie Y?"... 'Do you have movie Y yet?...". The value for trailers diminished greatly for the studios when most rental moved to streaming. To put simply when I re-watch the copy I saw 5 years ago that I purchased 1 year before that, that was on the shelf at the store for 2 years before I bought it, does it have any value? the movie might no longer be available and even if it is if I found the trailer interesting I would have bought movie y years ago when I saw the trailer for the first time. That is why these days they tend to be skippable.

This whole chain of posts is based the Disc Defense Force - that includes you - saying there are no ads on discs. Well that was a false statement. You guys are just pissed that I brought it up.

no one ever said there are no ads on disks people said there is a difference for them between trailers (something they like to watch from time to time) and other ads, trailers for a long time (when included and start automatically) tend to be skippable and none of them havbe added trailers or other ads during the presentation.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

It sounds like Lee is using a Straw Man Argument.

he likes misusing straw man argument al lthe time, but no what he is doing is
called false equivalency (if we get technical)

I am allowed to like looking at trailers and finding out about similar new films I have not heard of and I am allowed to be PO because the game my kid was playing paused to show him some lady trying to sell her granny bras (real experience)

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

It's only a useless point to you because it blows a hole big enough to sink your argument - no ads on disc.

ccan you quote where I said there are no ads on disk.

I said there is a difference between a trailer for a film I have not heard of that seems interesting to me (makes me happy) and an old lady talking about how her bras lifts up her boobs to my 7 year old(makes me mad).

there is a difference between an ad that can't be skipped and an add that can be skipped.

there is a difference between ads in the beginning and ads interrupting what I am watching.

there is a difference between a DVD I have not watched in over 15 years and the UHD BD I watched yersterday.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

OK one on UHD BD, don't go with an other DVD from 20 years ago, since I have not re-watched any of my DVDs in over 15 years. Plus I pointed out in my first reply to you

Sorry - can't accommodate you. I have neither a 4K disc player nor 4K BDs.

no one ever said there are no ads on disks people said there is a difference for them between trailers (something they like to watch from time to time) and other ads, trailers for a long time (when included and start automatically) tend to be skippable and none of them havbe added trailers or other ads during the presentation.

When they show screen credits in the middle of a movie, is that feature included on the disc too?

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

ccan you quote where I said there are no ads on disk.

I said there is a difference between a trailer for a film I have not heard of that seems interesting to me (makes me happy) and an old lady talking about how her bras lifts up her boobs to my 7 year old(makes me mad).

there is a difference between an ad that can't be skipped and an add that can be skipped.

there is a difference between ads in the beginning and ads interrupting what I am watching.

there is a difference between a DVD I have not watched in over 15 years and the UHD BD I watched yersterday.

I don't care what you like. Trailers are ads. The fact that you and others enjoy them doesn't change the fact that they are ads and they are on many discs - tens of thousands in fact.

[bhampton]

You like ads right ?

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

You all are still trying to defend anyway you can that it's OK to have ads on disc.

I'm not particularly bothered by skippable ads that don't interrupt a movie or TV show. That's all there is on 99.99% of discs. On streaming they are unskippable and are inserted into the middle of movies and TV shows.

Pointing out that both discs and streaming have ads even though they aren't at all similar is about as useless as stating that "it's all digital".

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by bhampton

You like ads right ?

The price of having free/no charge content.

I have 2 SVODs and 3 FASTs