Wonder Woman (2017)

[JonD7]

I was hoping to see Diana be so bad ass she didn't need a love interest. ah well.

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I will laugh my ass off at the internet rage that will ensue if Pine gets first billing.

???

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by JonD7

I was hoping to see Diana be so bad ass she didn't need a love interest. ah well.

Yup... just the inclusion of a love interest in general (doesn't matter who it is or if they have chemistry) is enough to make me less interested in a solo film for Diana.

[dgoswald]

A bit surprised at this Pine talk as he's hardly a bit-part supporting actor, which would suggest the character he's pencilled in to play will transcend its supporting roots? Lord, what is DC on? Just give us a Wonder Woman who doesn't need to faff around with fellas... not in this first film at least.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by JonD7

I was hoping to see Diana be so bad ass she didn't need a love interest. ah well.

You do realize how important Steve is to the storyline, right?

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

You do realize how important Steve is to the storyline, right?

Yeah as a representative of the type of man it takes for an all-powerful woman who hates men to fall for? I'd say he's quite essential but the movie better still be the Gal Gadot show.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

???

He's a much bigger star, logic would normally dictate he be first-billed. I doubt he will be though, Warner are smarter than that, but it would be hilarious if he was.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

He's a much bigger star, logic would normally dictate he be first-billed. I doubt he will be though, Warner are smarter than that, but it would be hilarious if he was.

That guy from Just My Luck, Princess Diaries 2, Into the Woods and This Means War? Not surprised they'd pick him though and I'm glad they did, I consider him to be under-utilized.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Yeah as a representative of the type of man it takes for an all-powerful woman who hates men to fall for? I'd say he's quite essential but the movie better still be the Gal Gadot show.

Where did you get the idea that Diana hates men?! She doesn't hate anyone.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

Where did you get the idea that Diana hates men?! She doesn't hate anyone.

The Amazons despise the world of men, that's why they live separate from it on the island of Themyscira.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

The Amazons despise the world of men, that's why they live separate from it on the island of Themyscira.

Incorrect.

And Diana doesn't hate anyone. She loves people ... all people. Granted, she hates the actions some people take. But she certainly doesn't "hate men." Heck, she's in love with one.

Now, her mother -- well, she's a different story.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

Incorrect.

And Diana doesn't hate anyone. She loves people ... all people. Granted, she hates the actions some people take. But she certainly doesn't "hate men." Heck, she's in love with one.

Now, her mother -- well, she's a different story.

In the new 52s isn't she in love with Kal-El? He may call himself Superman but he's definitely not human.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

In the new 52s isn't she in love with Kal-El? He may call himself Superman but he's definitely not human.

True. I haven't been reading comics for a while now. But I did know that, just wasn't thinking.

[Det. Bullock]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Yeah as a representative of the type of man it takes for an all-powerful woman who hates men to fall for? I'd say he's quite essential but the movie better still be the Gal Gadot show.

Nope, Wonder Woman doesn't hate men, that's a common misconception fueled by parodies and tha fact that she had feminist undertones from the start.
Of course it was Marston and his wife and their [sic] mistress' own particular brand of 1940s feminism, he was also the guy who invented the polygraph, an interesting guy to be sure.

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

The Amazons despise the world of men, that's why they live separate from it on the island of Themyscira.

Nope, they live there because the greeks tended to be wildly misoginistic and the goddesses that created them isolated them to prevent a continous state of war against them.
The exact circumstances vary with each continuity of course (in the old Perez run they tried diplomatic contact but they were backstabbed spectacularly by an esemble of greek demigods led by Herakles, or Hercules if you use the roman name) but that's usually the gist.

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

In the new 52s isn't she in love with Kal-El? He may call himself Superman but he's definitely not human.

The new52 Wonder Woman is a strange beast, Azzarello writes her pretty much like classic Wonder Woman (tough but all-loving, and while not rigidly anti-lethal still extremely reluctant to use lethal force) while Geoff Johns and most other writers write her like a borderline sociopath at times with a dash of that weird thing some people think is feminism thrown in.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by Det. Bullock

The new52 Wonder Woman is a strange beast, Azzarello writes her pretty much like classic Wonder Woman (tough but all-loving, and while not rigidly anti-lethal still extremely reluctant to use lethal force) while Geoff Johns and most other writers write her like a borderline sociopath at times with a dash of that weird thing some people think is feminism thrown in.

Johns has always written her that way. And while that's certainly not my favorite depiction of her, there is something sort of fun about Sociopath Woman.

Then again, I like those sorts of female characters in movies, too. Though, not sure what that says about me, frankly.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

Johns has always written her that way. And while that's certainly not my favorite depiction of her, there is something sort of fun about Sociopath Woman.

Then again, I like those sorts of female characters in movies, too. Though, not sure what that says about me, frankly.

You like women who can and will beat you up

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

You likewomen who can and will beat you up

No comment.

No comment, whatsoever.

[Underworld54]

So I guess this means Chris Pine won't be playing Hal Jordan...crap!

[Det. Bullock]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

Johns has always written her that way. And while that's certainly not my favorite depiction of her, there is something sort of fun about Sociopath Woman.

Then again, I like those sorts of female characters in movies, too. Though, not sure what that says about me, frankly.

I never really noticed before, but that's probably because most of his stuff I read doesn't feature her prominently.
The problem is it's not particularly appropriate for a character that's supposed to be one of the main members of that bunch of strictly-no-kill guys that's supposed to be the Justice League, it's not a character that acts in the underbelly of the DC universe like Kate Spencer/Manhunter in the pre-Flashpoint DCU.
And the fact that Geoff "Silver Age FTW" Johns writes her like that is bewildering to say the least, in general it seems that "Master Geoff" sensibilities started to become more and more "nineties" (intended in the worst way, it's very sad when people in the sector prefer to imitate the Blood-whatever series instead of Starman or Morrison's JLA) toghether with most of this new52 DCU.

I was pleasantly surprised by Azzarello's take, really, the guy usually writes noir-ish bleak tales filled with anti-heroes and villain protagonists, I would never have thought to see him use the character in this way.

[robgmun]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

True. I haven't been reading comics for a while now. But I did know that, just wasn't thinking.

I don't know how it's been going on but in the modern comics she comes off as a bit of a man hating feminist nutcase, so it'll be nice to see a Wonder Woman who isn't like that otherwise it'll be horribly off-putting to watch. Why can't they just do a live-action remake of the 2009 animated movie? That was perfect in every possible way

EDIT - Hum, seems like i might have read some Geoff Johns rendition of her then from the conversation