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Pfreddy · 01-05-2012, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Syxxpac

where are you located? i have 4 copies of the 4th movie...

Upstate New York!

Captain Jack · 01-07-2012, 04:18 PM

I bought the 4th film and was going to get the first 3 when I read they were conversions, which for a 3D film seems ridiculous at first glance, though I suppose the CG assets were probably lost, still, I'm curious how the conversions hold up, but it does seems a waster opportunity, if any film can be re-shot by effectively going back in time and changing the cameras, it should be 3D CGI films.

DaViD Boulet · 01-07-2012, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Jack

I bought the 4th film and was going to get the first 3 when I read they were conversions, which for a 3D film seems ridiculous at first glance, though I suppose the CG assets were probably lost, still, I'm curious how the conversions hold up, but it does seems a waster opportunity, if any film can be re-shot by effectively going back in time and changing the cameras, it should be 3D CGI films.

Are you talking about the Shrek films? The 4th film was *conceived* in 3D, meaning that the artistic animators planned and composed it specifically for 3D to begin with. But the first 3 films were not "converted" to 3D... rather, just like the Toy Story films 1 and 2, there were re-generated/rendered natively in true stereo from the original CG files.

Impossible · 01-07-2012, 05:55 PM

The first 3 look just as good as the 4th IMO. Same with the Toy Stories. I actually think TS1 & 2 had better 3D than 3 did as the scenarios fit 3D better.

Captain Jack · 01-07-2012, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

Are you talking about the Shrek films? The 4th film was *conceived* in 3D, meaning that the artistic animators planned and composed it specifically for 3D to begin with. But the first 3 films were not "converted" to 3D... rather, just like the Toy Story films 1 and 2, there were re-generated/rendered natively in true stereo from the original CG files.

Well, not quite, Shrek 1, 2 and 3 are 2D to 3D conversions. They are not re-renders like Toy Story 1 and 2, though I suppose the fact most people don't notice is a compliment to the converters. Still, it's surprising that they were not re-rendered, though they did get some CG assets to help the conversion.

The conversion was done by Legend 3D, here's a snippet where they discuss it:

"Why did DreamWorks prefer Legend3D’s 2D to 3D conversion method for the first three Shrek movies as opposed to just re-render the movies in 3D by themselves?"

"The process of recovering and de-archiving the assets of animation catalog titles, if they even actually still exist, can be very expensive, time consuming and requires a significant amount of skilled resources. We did receive a large number of assets from DreamWorks which was very helpful though all assets were not available. Without the CG assets, there was no way to convert the trilogy without going back and actually redoing the films. It would have been cost and resource prohibitive to do whereas I believe the partnership with Legend3D proved to be a more financially sound and efficient decision."

http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/shrek-3d-conversion/

http://legend3d.com/film/shrek
http://www.legend3d.com/film/shrek-2
http://www.legend3d.com/film/shrek-third

So Shrek 4 is the only 'native 3D' Shrek film, the first three are bizarrely enough, conversions.

DaViD Boulet · 01-07-2012, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Jack

Well, not quite, Shrek 1, 2 and 3 are 2D to 3D conversions. They are not re-renders like Toy Story 1 and 2, though I suppose the fact most people don't notice is a compliment to the converters. Still, it's surprising that they were not re-rendered, though they did get some CG assets to help the conversion.

The conversion was done by Legend 3D, here's a snippet where they discuss it:

"Why did DreamWorks prefer Legend3D’s 2D to 3D conversion method for the first three Shrek movies as opposed to just re-render the movies in 3D by themselves?"

"The process of recovering and de-archiving the assets of animation catalog titles, if they even actually still exist, can be very expensive, time consuming and requires a significant amount of skilled resources. We did receive a large number of assets from DreamWorks which was very helpful though all assets were not available. Without the CG assets, there was no way to convert the trilogy without going back and actually redoing the films. It would have been cost and resource prohibitive to do whereas I believe the partnership with Legend3D proved to be a more financially sound and efficient decision."

http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/shrek-3d-conversion/

http://legend3d.com/film/shrek
http://www.legend3d.com/film/shrek-2
http://www.legend3d.com/film/shrek-third

So Shrek 4 is the only 'native 3D' Shrek film, the first three are bizarrely enough, conversions.

OMG.

I even watched Shrek 1 in 3D and thought it was native from viewing... it's that good a conversion. But after reading your comments I went back and really studied the 3D and I can see in certain shots that it's not a true native image, but is probably the best conversion I've ever seen (no kidding). It's sad that they didn't do a native recompile as Disney did with Toy Story, but I can also assure you that the result is very natural and impressive... so much so that I really did assume it was native by just viewing the material without prior knowledge.

Let me assure anyone who is on the fence or dubious about the conversion quality: it's first-rate and actually fooled me. The depth is continuous, and you don't get that strange distortion with foreground faces like you do with Lion King (I can't stand Lion King in 3D because of the many instances of facial distortion in closeups). Shrek characters look naturally dimensional... so much that it would appear native unless you really scrutinize every aspect of every scene.

Thanks for the education!

dave

Captain Jack · 01-11-2012, 08:43 PM

I actually watched a bit of Shrek 4 tonight to test out the disc and gotta say, WOW, great transfer, amazing clarity!

Despite my disdain for the 2.35:1 aspect ratio Shrek 4 has a gorgeous detail, and the 3D is far far better implemented than the Blue Sky films like Rio or Ice Age or Universal's Despicable me. There's more pop out and more depth, but most importantly the characters seem more rounded and inhabit a 3D space far better. Dreamworks definitely have a leg over the others in this respect.

Impressive disc, would recommend it.

Paul.R.S · 01-13-2012, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by newbray

Any idea of Sony BDP-S480, can do the same?

I haven't even read a review of the 480 so I don't know if it provides a menu option for 2D versus 3D upon loading a 3D BD. I would tend to think not as the 470 doesn't but this is just speculation on my part.

newbray · 01-14-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul.R.S

I haven't even read a review of the 480 so I don't know if it provides a menu option for 2D versus 3D upon loading a 3D BD. I would tend to think not as the 470 doesn't but this is just speculation on my part.

Thanks Paul !

Captain Jack · 01-23-2012, 06:53 PM

Right so I got Shrek 3 so I could compare Shrek 3 (Conversion) vs Shrek 4 (Native) and I have to say, i was pleasantly surprised with the 3D in Shrek 3.

As it was a conversion by Legend I was expecting it to have a somewhat pop-up book look, but colour me surprised, it didn't, well, it did in areas but the main characters are surprisingly well fleshed out. There's a lot of depth to the picture and whilst there isn't any pop-out really the objects to really fill like they are in a 3D space (i.e. the little dragon kid do look like they are zooming around in a 3D space, Shek does seem bulbous etc).

There are conversion errors if you stop the disc such as leaves get stuck on the same plane as the bark behind them, but you have to actually pause the film to notice these. Likewise sometimes you can make out that certain elements have that pop-up book look, but these are usually elements in the far background, in general there are a lot of layers to any given shot.

Shrek 3 is also definitely not quite as sharp as 4, it's a little like it's being oversharpended in post, I just don't think it has the same inherent detail, but it won't spoil anyone's enjoyment of the film much, it's really nitpicking on my half.

All in all, these are the first conversions I've actually been impressed with, it's not native 3D, but it's pretty darn close and I can see why some people didn't even pick up on them being conversions, if you are a Shrek fan and on the fence, I'd say you can jump in because these do add a new dimension to the films and as far as conversions go are the cream of the crop, by far.

*Update* saw the whole thing, and damn, it's a good conversion, they must have had CG assets to assist because it almost looks native, def a conversion to be proud of for Legend.

Pfreddy · 01-23-2012, 11:07 PM

I agree they look great! Four being the best despite being a 2.35 aspect ratio. I actually think the story for 4 is second only to the first one!
If you search eBay, there are some great deals on the set that was offered as an exclusive. I got Shrek 1-3 for $30. The case has an empty slot to add #4. I then found that in a paper sleeve for $14! So all four movies in 3d for $44! Well worth it!

WJWS Channel 13:Amity · 01-24-2012, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pfreddy

I agree they look great! Four being the best despite being a 2.35 aspect ratio. I actually think the story for 4 is second only to the first one!
If you search eBay, there are some great deals on the set that was offered as an exclusive. I got Shrek 1-3 for $30. The case has an empty slot to add #4. I then found that in a paper sleeve for $14! So all four movies in 3d for $44! Well worth it!

You are absolutely right,
I got the complete collection 1-4 for 24.95 , and there are quite a few other sellers on ebay who have the 4 discs in the 30 dollar range as well. you cant beat those prices for a collection 4 big studio 3D movies.

I find it funny though that even with all the legit promo sets people are offering out there from sellers with 100 percent feedback in that 24 to 30 dollar range that all the straight out bidding ones reach upwards of 50 60 bucks.

Captain Jack · 01-24-2012, 09:03 AM

I think you guys are lucky because in the States you can get quite a good deal like that, here in the UK each disc retails for 22 pounds a pop and there are some real comedians on eBay who then sell them for even more than that.

cmp1976 · 01-25-2012, 04:30 AM

I managed to get the 4 disc set on ebay for $29.72 with free shipping. Can't wait to get it.

Pfreddy · 01-25-2012, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by backgroundactorman

You are absolutely right,
I got the complete collection 1-4 for 24.95 , and there are quite a few other sellers on ebay who have the 4 discs in the 30 dollar range as well. you cant beat those prices for a collection 4 big studio 3D movies.

I find it funny though that even with all the legit promo sets people are offering out there from sellers with 100 percent feedback in that 24 to 30 dollar range that all the straight out bidding ones reach upwards of 50 60 bucks.

Man all four for $24.95??? And I thought I had a good deal!! Good for you and I agree, why one doesnt just do the "buy it now" for $25-$30 is beyond me? At any rate the Shreks and Alice in Wonderland can be had very cheaply on ebay, not just one seller but quite a few, I think the left over exclusive deal discs are getting dumped out to some ebay distributors. Its worth checking out!

RHellgren · 01-25-2012, 01:49 PM

I have a question about these; Did anyone get the French versions? And if so, did they come with slipcovers? Looks like they have slips on Amazon.fr (1, 2, 3 and 4)

Michael K. · 01-25-2012, 02:53 PM

I got Shrek Collection for 999 czech crowns (it´s around 30 pounds). I think it´s a great deal. I saw only first 2, but ...oh gosh, it looks great! First Shrek have some antialiasing problems but Shrek 2 looks almost perfect. Great job I think...

wvl · 02-14-2012, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by backgroundactorman

You are absolutely right,
I got the complete collection 1-4 for 24.95 , and there are quite a few other sellers on ebay who have the 4 discs in the 30 dollar range as well. you cant beat those prices for a collection 4 big studio 3D movies.

I find it funny though that even with all the legit promo sets people are offering out there from sellers with 100 percent feedback in that 24 to 30 dollar range that all the straight out bidding ones reach upwards of 50 60 bucks.

Me too for $24.95, and that was with free shipping as well. I haven't had time to check them out yet, but plan on it this week. I've never seen Shrek in 3D, not even at the theaters... looking forwards in watching these. As a matter of fact, if memory serves, I only remember watching the first Shrek movie and don't remember watching any of the other ones. So this will be a treat for me and my girlfriend.

Phoenix Theory · 02-15-2012, 05:53 PM

is this worth gettin for only $30 and this will play i my Sony BR player right?

wvl · 02-15-2012, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by xphoenix23

is this worth gettin for only $30 and this will play i my Sony BR player right?

I got it for $25 including free shipping from eBay. Plays on my BR player. I have a Sony as well (S780).

01-11-2012, 08:43 PM	#447
Captain Jack Active Member Member since:Jan 2012	I actually watched a bit of Shrek 4 tonight to test out the disc and gotta say, WOW, great transfer, amazing clarity! Despite my disdain for the 2.35:1 aspect ratio Shrek 4 has a gorgeous detail, and the 3D is far far better implemented than the Blue Sky films like Rio or Ice Age or Universal's Despicable me. There's more pop out and more depth, but most importantly the characters seem more rounded and inhabit a 3D space far better. Dreamworks definitely have a leg over the others in this respect. Impressive disc, would recommend it. Last edited by Captain Jack; 01-11-2012 at 09:00 PM.

01-23-2012, 06:53 PM	#450
Captain Jack Active Member Member since:Jan 2012	Right so I got Shrek 3 so I could compare Shrek 3 (Conversion) vs Shrek 4 (Native) and I have to say, i was pleasantly surprised with the 3D in Shrek 3. As it was a conversion by Legend I was expecting it to have a somewhat pop-up book look, but colour me surprised, it didn't, well, it did in areas but the main characters are surprisingly well fleshed out. There's a lot of depth to the picture and whilst there isn't any pop-out really the objects to really fill like they are in a 3D space (i.e. the little dragon kid do look like they are zooming around in a 3D space, Shek does seem bulbous etc). There are conversion errors if you stop the disc such as leaves get stuck on the same plane as the bark behind them, but you have to actually pause the film to notice these. Likewise sometimes you can make out that certain elements have that pop-up book look, but these are usually elements in the far background, in general there are a lot of layers to any given shot. Shrek 3 is also definitely not quite as sharp as 4, it's a little like it's being oversharpended in post, I just don't think it has the same inherent detail, but it won't spoil anyone's enjoyment of the film much, it's really nitpicking on my half. All in all, these are the first conversions I've actually been impressed with, it's not native 3D, but it's pretty darn close and I can see why some people didn't even pick up on them being conversions, if you are a Shrek fan and on the fence, I'd say you can jump in because these do add a new dimension to the films and as far as conversions go are the cream of the crop, by far. Update saw the whole thing, and damn, it's a good conversion, they must have had CG assets to assist because it almost looks native, def a conversion to be proud of for Legend. Last edited by Captain Jack; 01-23-2012 at 10:41 PM.

01-25-2012, 02:53 PM	#457
Michael K. Member Member since:Jan 2012 Blu-ray collection:30	collection I got Shrek Collection for 999 czech crowns (it´s around 30 pounds). I think it´s a great deal. I saw only first 2, but ...oh gosh, it looks great! First Shrek have some antialiasing problems but Shrek 2 looks almost perfect. Great job I think...

01-07-2012, 04:18 PM	#442
Captain Jack Active Member Member since:Jan 2012	I bought the 4th film and was going to get the first 3 when I read they were conversions, which for a 3D film seems ridiculous at first glance, though I suppose the CG assets were probably lost, still, I'm curious how the conversions hold up, but it does seems a waster opportunity, if any film can be re-shot by effectively going back in time and changing the cameras, it should be 3D CGI films.

01-07-2012, 05:55 PM	#444
Impossible Banned Member since:Mar 2010 Blu-ray reviews:3	The first 3 look just as good as the 4th IMO. Same with the Toy Stories. I actually think TS1 & 2 had better 3D than 3 did as the scenarios fit 3D better.

01-23-2012, 11:07 PM	#451
Pfreddy Active Member Member since:Apr 2011 Location:Upstate New York Blu-ray collection:47	I agree they look great! Four being the best despite being a 2.35 aspect ratio. I actually think the story for 4 is second only to the first one! If you search eBay, there are some great deals on the set that was offered as an exclusive. I got Shrek 1-3 for $30. The case has an empty slot to add #4. I then found that in a paper sleeve for $14! So all four movies in 3d for $44! Well worth it!

01-24-2012, 09:03 AM	#453
Captain Jack Active Member Member since:Jan 2012	I think you guys are lucky because in the States you can get quite a good deal like that, here in the UK each disc retails for 22 pounds a pop and there are some real comedians on eBay who then sell them for even more than that.

01-25-2012, 04:30 AM	#454
cmp1976 Active Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:SC 4K collection:3 Blu-ray collection:85 Trading Score:13	I managed to get the 4 disc set on ebay for $29.72 with free shipping. Can't wait to get it.

01-25-2012, 01:49 PM	#456
RHellgren Active Member Member since:Oct 2010 Trading Score:14	I have a question about these; Did anyone get the French versions? And if so, did they come with slipcovers? Looks like they have slips on Amazon.fr (1, 2, 3 and 4)

02-15-2012, 05:53 PM	#459
Phoenix Theory Banned Member since:Mar 2009 Location:30 Years From Now Home Theater Gallery:228 Blu-ray collection:457 DVD collection:5 Blu-ray reviews:18 Trading Score:163	is this worth gettin for only $30 and this will play i my Sony BR player right?

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