Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[mi_z]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

The Best Netflix Alternative for Renting Blu-ray/4K Movies | Choovie Rentals - YouTube

There's a new disc rental service out there called Choovie:


https://www.choovierentals.com/


They have 4K disc selections. Here's their prices:


https://www.choovierentals.com/subscribe/

I'm a big fan. Don't like too much blind buying and renting this allows me check out films in their best quality beforehand.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by mi_z

I'm a big fan. Don't like too much blind buying and renting this allows me check out films in their best quality beforehand.

I’m the complete opposite. I always blind buy.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by mi_z

Very good to hear. Hopefully this leads to more catalogue, especially Fox, in the future. I wonder what will happen in Europe though.

Sony already handed off their disc releases in the U.K. (I can’t remember who to, will have a look at my discs later).

All this means, is U.K. will have to import U.S releases if we want 4K and it isn’t available over here. However, the U.K. is used to being shafted so nothing new.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Hang in there I Love You Man! I don't have any problems, you guys are the ones that do. So there must be a reason. Here is more information on Symmetrical Internet Speeds. I say better Connectivity Communication!

https://www.bing.com/search?q=does+1...&ghacc=0&ghpl=

You make a doorknob look smart.

[sapiendut]

Soon I’ll be bringing my subscription from 1.5 gbps back down to 500 mbps. It’s double the cost and other than making my Kaleidescape downloads faster, for daily usage there is no point of having that fast of a connection as the bottleneck are always on the sites I visit.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

..and you get your internet from the same dish? or are they a separate thing?

In my neck of the woods, there are 2 main competing companies - one was historically the 'telephone" company and the other the "cable TV company". Once they both started offering internet services, they branched out in different ways technologically with very different offerings... but now the tech seems to be morphing into basically identical plans for everything - Fiber to the home for TV, internet and home phone... both companies have identical cellular phone offerings as well..

there is still paid satellite TV services here in Canada. In cities it is not a popular choice like it used to be, like you kind of pointed out, if you want a linear TV service and your internet comes from cable/telco why not get their TV service. But it is still there for people where cable/Tv is not an option.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You live with your Head Buried, and only smart in your own mind.

he also appears smart in my mind. He adds facts to backup what he says and does not come off as a boring advertisement.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

he also appears smart in my mind. He adds facts to backup what he says and does not come off as a boring advertisement.

He never answered why my 1.5 gbps connection doesn’t make my streaming looking better.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

He never answered why my 1.5 gbps connection doesn’t make my streaming looking better.

Maybe he will instead tell you why dropping down to 500 Mbps will make your streaming look 67% worse?

[sapiendut]

Hehehe. He claims his video at 100mbps are “fantastic”.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Hehehe. He claims his video at 100mbps are “fantastic”.

He'd make a great addition to your calibration business. You should take him on as your apprentice, minion, or at least as comedy relief. Grant him a franchise even.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I never said faster Internet Speeds will give you better Streaming, but I did say Symmetrical Speeds of 100/100Mbps will give you Rock Solid Streaming. People think that Burst of down with minimal up is all you need. Here is an Article from 2021 that talks about The Future of Symmetrical Speeds...End of Story!

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/0...nternet-speeds

1) that article has nothing about streaming movies and their pitch for symmetrical is all about everything other than streaming

Notably, all the applications and services driving the increased demand on upstream usage (telehealth, remote work, distance learning) are based on symmetric usage of broadband—that is 100/100 Mbps and not 100/20 Mbps.

2) they say two very contradictory things

In terms of predicted needs in 2026, OpenVault finds that today’s average use is 207 Mbps/16 Mbps. If we apply 21% annual growth, that will mean 2026 usage will be over 500Mbps down and 40Mbps up. But another crucial detail is that the upload and download needs aren’t growing at the same speeds.

so the 100/100 that they are advocating for is less then half the DL average at the time written and 1/5 what is calculated might be needed in 2026 the 100 dl is more then 5 time what is needed and more then double what is assumed that will be needed.

But as people who's job is to upload content, I can understand why they are advocating for much higher upload speeds while not caring if the DL speeds meet "today's" demands as they put it.

3) you are missing the obvious

lets say someone has 500/200 he is beating both your numbers and it is not symmetrical.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Hehehe. He claims his video at 100mbps are “fantastic”.

they are probably as "fantastic" as they can be. What he does not get is that some off us are not happy (with all or some of what we watch) with what he calls fantastic, because we now it can look and sound a lot better.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

they are probably as "fantastic" as they can be. What he does not get is that some off us are not happy (with all or some of what we watch) with what he calls fantastic, because we now it can look and sound a lot better.

100% agree

One thing I thought looked amazing via streaming recently was Ghost in the Shell: SAC_2045 on Netflix. That looked pretty good and I guess it has to do with how it was animated more than anything else. Would buy on disc for the better sound if and when it becomes available.

[Wendell R. Breland]

OK being repetitive here but newer members may benefit. Below is two screen shots of Window 10 Pro Task Manger while watching content from Netflix. Over a period of several minutes I captured the highest Upload (Send) speed that I saw. It was 400 Kbps (.4 Mbps) and even that could have been Windows and not Netflix. As you can see there is short periods of time when there is no data flow either up or down.

For Download (Receive) it peaked at 20 Mbps. Streaming content does not come in a fairly continuous data flow, it comes in “burst” of data hence the hills and valleys. For anyone with a Apple TV4K with HUD you can see the actual video data rate, audio data rate, indicated bitrate peak (incoming data) and average. For Android and Amazon Prime there is a diagnostic screen to see audio and video data rates.

If there is something in this post you do not understand or need clarification then reply here or send me a PM.

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[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

they are probably as "fantastic" as they can be. What he does not get is that some off us are not happy (with all or some of what we watch) with what he calls fantastic, because we now it can look and sound a lot better.

I do watch streaming (Netflix, Disney, AppleTv, Prime, RokuTV) and while some of them can look good on the 65” TV, none of them ever looked good enough for my projection system. It is almost always very easy to tell the extreme compression in streaming.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Bell updated my neighbourhood 2 years ago but their fibre optic burial cable install has been quite a disaster. Several houses around my house switched to Bell just to realize that their connection is faulty. But instead of fixing the fibre for every house, they tapped the fibre going into my house and re-distribute that cable to all of those houses… for the full two years. They didn’t do squat even when I complained. I had to physically cut my fibre until they showed up and fix everyone’s house connection. During those two years, I shared my Rogers connection to both houses besides me as their Fibe keeps going in and out multiple times each day.

I had a ridiculously bad experience with BELL 20 years ago that had me swearing off them for the last 2 decades.
I'm fortunate to live in a neighborhood where the 2 companies actually compete and continously one up one another. If you live in Toronto, you know that your story is not unique and that the companies can be reversed based on the neighborhood.

Because the city plan has greenlit my entire neighborhood to be torn down in favour of condos, BELL and ROGERS have not bothered to bury any of their upgrades. Everything is up on wires and easily accessible should there be a need.

I have absolutely no brand loyalty and will switch back and forth as the contacts come up. I make absolutely no claims about my internet speeds and my streaming experience because I do know how that works...except to say that I've had no problems with either provider and am fine with the quality for the items that I choose to consume in that fashion.

My Bell router has 4 yellow ethernet outs that go to various other routers in my home delivering gigabit service and one green outlet that goes directly up into my son's super computer where he gets 3 gb service consistently based on the card I guess. Bell offers 8Gb service in my area but I don't think anyone in my neighborhood has the hardware to take advantage of it. I imagine that green ethernet port on the router can deliver that speed with the flip of a switch.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

If there is something in this post you do not understand or need clarification then reply here or send me a PM.

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There is something that I do not understand: why do we keep trying to explain any of this to him? We'd have better luck carving a granite block with an egg noodle chisel.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

there is still paid satellite TV services here in Canada. In cities it is not a popular choice like it used to be, like you kind of pointed out, if you want a linear TV service and your internet comes from cable/telco why not get their TV service. But it is still there for people where cable/Tv is not an option.

I rented a lovely Airbnb in your neck of the woods for a week last summer. It was in Ste Hyacinthe..I can't remember the name of the river we were on but the place was right on top of it and the pool looked right over. My daughter was so enthralled by the idea of a place where we were forced to communicate only in French that it made me both sad and happy at the same time.

Although we didn't use it much, I was surprised that the place had a Bell satellite minidish to service the TV.

[bhampton]

Symmetrical also doesn't work as well without Monster cables throughout. In fact you have to replace most of the internal cables with Monster too. Monster as much as you can.