Heat (1995) (Director's Definitive Edition)

[Tom Servo]

Well, this is good news. Now I can stop lamenting that the Japanese release is OOP and hyper-expensive.

[Egons Ghost]

Val Kilmer looks frail; hope he's OK.

[Jakdonark]

Originally Posted by OutOfBoose

I also noticed there are some sequences, that, it seems to me, were filmed on lesser equipment and look really poor in comparison to the rest of the movie. For example:
1) POV shot of the truck approaching the armored car.
2) Cherrito finishing off the remaining guard.
Maybe these will get an upgrade?.. If it's possible. Overall, didn't know it was shot on Super 35. So I'm intrigued and skeptical at the same time.

There are a handful of shots that I'm sure we're done with off the shelf cameras. Maybe high 8 or even digital 8. It's been 10 years since I listened to the commentary but I don't recall him commenting on that, unlike with collateral where he made a big deal about using digital cameras.

The other couple shots that first come to mind are the shot of Hanna's hand on Hugh Benny's face before he pushes him through the window and the close up on Waingro when McCauley pistol whips him in the nose in the hotel room. Almost looks like Mann was holding a little handheld camera over de Niro's shoulder.

[OutOfBoose]

Originally Posted by Jakdonark

There are a handful of shots that I'm sure we're done with off the shelf cameras. Maybe high 8 or even digital 8. It's been 10 years since I listened to the commentary but I don't recall him commenting on that, unlike with collateral where he made a big deal about using digital cameras.

The other couple shots that first come to mind are the shot of Hanna's hand on Hugh Benny's face before he pushes him through the window and the close up on Waingro when McCauley pistol whips him in the nose in the hotel room. Almost looks like Mann was holding a little handheld camera over de Niro's shoulder.

Yep. Exactly. That's why I'm not holding my breath there will be substantial increase in detail and clarity. Current BD already looks like recently remastered Leon. That being said, bring it on, still. I'd love to be proven wrong.

[Sky_Captain]

Originally Posted by OutOfBoose

Current BD already looks like recently remastered Leon.

What?

[OutOfBoose]

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

What?

Well, not exactly, but I just think it's really close to the best it can look because of nature of cinematography. It's a soft and murky movie. Grain is perfectly fine, I don't see much manipulation. And it's looks pretty detailed in contrast scenes and on close-ups.

There's a movie Martha Marcy May Marlene, it really reminded me of Heat in terms of cinematography. It's a new movie made with good equipment, but it's just as soft and murky and looks similar clarity-wise to current BD of Heat.

[StingingVelvet]

There are always doubters in every thread about a new scan, people saying it won't make much difference. With very few exceptions thought a new modern scan always improves the picture quality substantially.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

There are always doubters in every thread about a new scan, people saying it won't make much difference. With very few exceptions thought a new modern scan always improves the picture quality substantially.

Oh indeed, but the catch here is that we're not talking about some steam-driven old telecine, as to my eyes the Heat Blu-ray already looks like a modern scan, complete with teal and everything!

[Arch Stanton]

Is the audio not meant to be poor on the current release? I don't own it yet so I'll make the remaster my purchase (assuming of course any issues are corrected).

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Oh indeed, but the catch here is that we're not talking about some steam-driven old telecine, as to my eyes the Heat Blu-ray already looks like a modern scan, complete with teal and everything!

Well let's be honest, for Heat I would re-buy for a 1% improvement.

[Opips3]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Well let's be honest, for Heat I would re-buy for a 1% improvement.

Yeah..UHD 4K with High Dyamic Range colors for a 45% improvement.

Bluray is a 4K source.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Well let's be honest, for Heat I would re-buy for a 1% improvement.

Sure, I'll be buying it anyway as I sold my Blu of Heat ages ago (it was in a Robert De Niro themed pack with Goodfellas and OUATIA, I didn't need those two any more so I sold it and thought I'd rebuy Heat whenever, now I can just wait for the new version).

Originally Posted by Arch Stanton

Is the audio not meant to be poor on the current release? I don't own it yet so I'll make the remaster my purchase (assuming of course any issues are corrected).

The AC3 laserdisc had a little more punch, other than that I thought the Blu was fine. But as Dalton would say: opinions vary.

[flyonthewall2983]

Has this ever been encoded in DTS HD-MA audio before? Obviously it will be for the new release since Fox does everything in that, but I don't believe there's ever been a domestic release of it in that format. Certainly not on DVD/Blu anyway.

I wonder what, if any new extras will be on the new disc. The commentary and video pieces from the 2005 release were enlightening and fairly extensive. I'd hope the Oscar Q&A in full, and maybe the one in Toronto last year will be included. Hopefully more behind-the-scenes footage from filming, and a more deeper look at the technical aspects like the cinematography, editing, music, etc.

[thg]

Originally Posted by flyonthewall2983

Has this ever been encoded in DTS HD-MA audio before?

The Japanese BluRay had DTS HD-MA audio.

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by OutOfBoose

Well, not exactly, but I just think it's really close to the best it can look because of nature of cinematography. It's a soft and murky movie. Grain is perfectly fine, I don't see much manipulation. And it's looks pretty detailed in contrast scenes and on close-ups.

There's a movie Martha Marcy May Marlene, it really reminded me of Heat in terms of cinematography. It's a new movie made with good equipment, but it's just as soft and murky and looks similar clarity-wise to current BD of Heat.

Apparently you never saw it projected in 1995, because nothing about Heat was ever "soft and murky."

[OutOfBoose]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

Apparently you never saw it projected in 1995, because nothing about Heat was ever "soft and murky."

I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

[I KEEL YOU]

Originally Posted by Tom Servo

Well, this is good news. Now I can stop lamenting that the Japanese release is OOP and hyper-expensive.

I'll tell you one thing though:

If the audio pitch remains the same on the new release, whether it's a 4K remastered 1080p blu ray or the UHD release, I would still use my Japanese disc when I wanted to watch the movie. Because the current release still looks good (with the Japanese having a slightly superior encode), but the audio difference between the two is quite noticeable between the Warner and Japanese discs. And this is coming from someone who isn't exactly an audiophile and cheap audio equipment. I would use the Japanese version because of the shootout scene alone because it's a whole different experience.

It's the only blu ray release that I've ever double dipped on (and I've double dipped quite a few times) where I would say the audio difference is massive and alone enough to get the other release. I'm sure that the new video won't be enough to outweigh the audio difference, should it remain the same on this new release.

Now the first release of The Terminator with original LPCM mono vs the newer 4K remastered release with crappy newly mixed audio - that would be a tricky decision to determine which one outweighed the other....

[brownstones19]

Originally Posted by Akijama

[CENTER]
UPDATE 2 (9/8/2016):



http://variety.com/2016/film/in-cont...my-1201854410/


UPDATE (14/9/2015):

A remaster is all but confirmed, thx to Fox's James Finn and Variety article:



So, special edition is coming next year; maybe it will still be labeled as a 20th Anniv. edition (studios don't care about the math), maybe not, but who cares. In my opinion, there's not a doubt that it will be a (4K) remaster.

this film, this film, this film.......just keeps you waiting. maybe they should just call it "The Definitive Edition"

[shane01]

Heat is not necessarily the main issue here, but it struck me that I now own two copies of Star Trek II, Goodfellas, and replaced Rocky and Fargo, not to mention waited to buy remastered discs like Total Recall, Robocop, The Terminator, and--probably--Terminator 2. It's frustrating that studios didn't release these remastered discs to begin with, but then again, I wouldn't have purchased two Blu-rays instead of one... Anyway, looking forward to picking up Heat!

[Egons Ghost]

Sorry to repeat myself but I do hope that Mann and the powers-that-be come to their senses and release the original cinema cut. I would think Mann would agree to that for posterity but then he doesn't seem to give a sh*t about that.