Mad Max: High Octane Collection (1979-2015) / Mad Max: Fury Road in B&W (2015)

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by Dick Deckard

The original Mad Max is my favorite too. Just a raw, dirty, crazy movie.

I still prefer 2....just. But I know what you mean! The original grows on me more with every watch.

[Dragon Ranger]

So is it looking like the German release is going to be the definitive one for extra content?

https://www.amazon.de/Collection-exk...ane+collection

[NegaScott128]

Originally Posted by ldman15

That "Poster" he posted on Twitter isn't unreleased. It was in the inside of the Best Buy Steelbook. In fact that picture he posted looks like a simply took a picture of the inside of the steelbook and put a filter on it.

So he's probably full of sh!t? Great.

[Egons Ghost]

Originally Posted by NegaScott128

So he's probably full of sh!t? Great.

Also see the Heat thread. Signs point to "yes".

[GipsyDanger]

I don't feel like reading through all 25 pages of this that I've already missed but as someone who already owns the original Mad Max films on vhs, dvd, and blu and already purchased Fury Road...just adding a B&W version of the film does absolutely nothing for me. And what actually bothers me about this is that the original plan was to have 3 different versions of the film on the original release the theatrical, the b&w, and the silent/soundtrack driven version. So one can only assume that there's going to be another version of this released at a later time since this is just the b&w edition of the film.


On a side note didn't they make a b&w promo reel before the first edition was even released?

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by GipsyDanger

I don't feel like reading through all 25 pages of this that I've already missed but as someone who already owns the original Mad Max films on vhs, dvd, and blu and already purchased Fury Road...just adding a B&W version of the film does absolutely nothing for me. And what actually bothers me about this is that the original plan was to have 3 different versions of the film on the original release the theatrical, the b&w, and the silent/soundtrack driven version. So one can only assume that there's going to be another version of this released at a later time since this is just the b&w edition of the film.


On a side note didn't they make a b&w promo reel before the first edition was even released?

Wait what? There's gonna be another boxset after this one? Should I cancel my order? (I don't own any of the Mad Max films on BD)

[GipsyDanger]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

Wait what? There's gonna be another boxset after this one? Should I cancel my order? (I don't own any of the Mad Max films on BD)

I don't know what they are planning as far as releases all I know is they originally said there were 3 versions of the film that were going to be on the first release that weren't and now they are releasing one of the others separately so it seems like a pattern that they will be released separately over some span of time to get more money out of the film

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

I go back and forth between Road Warrior and Fury Road, but I love them both. Thunderdome tends to lose me right after the fight between Max and Master Blaster. I just never really liked any of the bits with the kids and it just drags down the film for me. The original is great, but I loves me some RW and FR.

Not liking the kids is a super common complaint, but I can't say they ever bothered me. Granted that might have a lot to do with seeing Thunderdome when I was young and having no expectations of a grindhouse style violent movie when I did.

[Egons Ghost]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Not liking the kids is a super common complaint, but I can't say they ever bothered me. Granted that might have a lot to do with seeing Thunderdome when I was young and having no expectations of a grindhouse style violent movie when I did.

In hindsight, a pretty awesome movie to see as a kid - Max, some great wasteland chase, Master Blaster, Barter Town, etc... a pretty singular movie, really.

[NegaScott128]

Originally Posted by GipsyDanger

...just adding a B&W version of the film does absolutely nothing for me. And what actually bothers me about this is that the original plan was to have 3 different versions of the film on the original release the theatrical, the b&w, and the silent/soundtrack driven version. So one can only assume that there's going to be another version of this released at a later time since this is just the b&w edition of the film.

From what I understand, the Black and Chrome edition also has the isolated score. But WB hasn't made that clear yet, nor whether the color version will also receive the isolated score. Knowing WB, I doubt the latter will happen, but some clarity on what the Black and Chrome edition actually is would be very much appreciated.

[cheez avenger]

I'm keeping the German order in place, because it may end up being less pricey than the U.S. version. I did receive an email yesterday that the set has been pushed back to early December. This is the second delay email I have received concerning release dates.

[Chumpster99]

Originally Posted by #Darren

Characterisations in Mad Max 2 are freakin brilliant. Lean and mean, no fat. Simiular formula carried over to Fury Road. The characters of the little town were very well done. The relationship/friction depicted between Pappagallo and Max was very well done, and quite powerful and even deep.

Max's character in MM2 is very complex.

Not sure what film you watched...

I'm pretty sure you've had to fill in a few blanks ( or gaping holes ) in the dialogue and story to come to that conclusion. The thing is, nothing much changes in the film, the whole way through Max is essentially a great big jerk. And by the end he's still a great big jerk who really had no choice but to help these people. Mad Max 2 is a lot of things, but powerful and deep are not among its descriptors.

Beyond Thunderdome really demonstrated why Max is different from the antagonists, with the whole MasterBlaster situation. Whereas neither Max nor Aunty are explicitly good or evil, Max's repressed morality can only go through so much before he hits a point where he'll stand up against Aunty and Bartertown against all pragmatism and logic.

In the end, Max could be a villain in some's eyes, destroying the most promising and prosperous society in the post-apocalypse simply because he refused to end the life of a single disabled man. This is not even getting into the themes of childlike innocence versus a harsh and uncaring world.

[GipsyDanger]

Originally Posted by NegaScott128

From what I understand, the Black and Chrome edition also has the isolated score. But WB hasn't made that clear yet, nor whether the color version will also receive the isolated score. Knowing WB, I doubt the latter will happen, but some clarity on what the Black and Chrome edition actually is would be very much appreciated.

I just remember origionally seeing multiple sources report that George Miller had 3 cuts before the original blu ray release, and the plan was to have them all on the same edition. The way I remember the isolated score version being described was as a different entity completely as to the b&w edition. If that was changed then that's a different matter entirely. I am interested to see this edition I just don't see the need to double dip again especially if there is another edition that George has a vision for that could benefit another release.

[#Darren]

Originally Posted by Chumpster99

I'm pretty sure you've had to fill in a few blanks ( or gaping holes ) in the dialogue and story to come to that conclusion. The thing is, nothing much changes in the film, the whole way through Max is essentially a great big jerk. And by the end he's still a great big jerk who really had no choice but to help these people. Mad Max 2 is a lot of things, but powerful and deep are not among its descriptors.

Beyond Thunderdome really demonstrated why Max is different from the antagonists, with the whole MasterBlaster situation. Whereas neither Max nor Aunty are explicitly good or evil, Max's repressed morality can only go through so much before he hits a point where he'll stand up against Aunty and Bartertown against all pragmatism and logic.

In the end, Max could be a villain in some's eyes, destroying the most promising and prosperous society in the post-apocalypse simply because he refused to end the life of a single disabled man. This is not even getting into the themes of childlike innocence versus a harsh and uncaring world.

I am not bashing Beyond Thunderdome, as it is OK but not brilliant IMO.

It seems you like (perhaps NEED) things "spelled out nice and clear" based on your comments. Films don't always have to do that, and in fact that is often seen as a failure in film making. MM2 certainly didn't do it, but the majority of fans and reviewers agreed that it achieved brilliance, not just in action, but in overall story arch and acting, through it's "minimal" approach.

[Chumpster99]

Originally Posted by #Darren

I am not bashing Beyond Thunderdome, as it is OK but not brilliant IMO.

It seems you like (perhaps NEED) things "spelled out nice and clear" based on your comments. Films don't always have to do that, and in fact that is often seen as a failure in film making. MM2 certainly didn't do it, but the majority of fans and reviewers agreed that it achieved brilliance, not just in action, but in overall story arch and acting, through it's "minimal" approach.

I'm no stranger to inferring character developments, in fact my favourite filmmaker is Leone so that's really not at all unfamiliar to me. The issue is that Mad Max 2 felt just a bit lazy, in my opinion as if it couldn't be bothered to give its characters any real memorable traits and told the audience to use their imagination. I don't even remember most of the character's names, or ever got to know much about them. The cast as I recall them went something like this:

Max, Bennett on a Bike, Humungous guy named Humungous, stock strong female #379, leader guy with cliche rousing speech, random tuxedo man, absurdly tall gyrocopter pilot, and a kid who is secretly the narrator.

Don't get me wrong, Mad Max 2 is a finely crafted film, and I can understand how some people love it for its pure action thrills and, as I've heard many put it, lean and minimalist story approach. But if it has one failing in my eyes, it's definitely the plot and characterizations. I just think there should be more to go on in terms of character development before you can start expecting people to infer so much about the characters. However I will praise one aspect of the characterization praise: Max's interactions with the kid are a great way of subtly showing how Max still has a sort of softer spot for children, which ties directly into Thunderdome's plot nicely.

But hey, if you can see something I can't, that's great! Don't let me stop you from enjoying it. I'm just clarifying why I personally didn't enjoy it am a bit confused as to why people think Thunderdome is somehow considerably less accomplished in terms of characterization.

Oh, and I'm not accusing you of bashing Thunderdome, if I thought you did you did you would probably know it quite quickly, I can be get a bit... overly protective when people actually do bash it as an outright bad film. Though of course I would have to keep that to a minimum on a public forum.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Speaking of Fury Road's Black and White version, I actually quite prefer The Road Warrior in B&W (or the approximation of it by turning the color down). The first time I watched it a year or so ago, I didn't particularly care for it (my apologies, guys ). But somehow, taking the color out of it on a second viewing made the experience more enjoyable. It seemed IMO to work better with the tone of the film.

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Granted that might have a lot to do with seeing Thunderdome when I was young and having no expectations of a grindhouse style violent movie when I did.

Originally Posted by Egons Ghost

In hindsight, a pretty awesome movie to see as a kid - Max, some great wasteland chase, Master Blaster, Barter Town, etc... a pretty singular movie, really.

Beyond Thunderdome is the first Mad Max movie I ever saw, and I saw it as a kid as well; on cable. I wasn't even aware at the time that it was the 3rd movie in the franchise.

[NegaScott128]

Originally Posted by GipsyDanger

I just remember origionally seeing multiple sources report that George Miller had 3 cuts before the original blu ray release, and the plan was to have them all on the same edition. The way I remember the isolated score version being described was as a different entity completely as to the b&w edition. If that was changed then that's a different matter entirely. I am interested to see this edition I just don't see the need to double dip again especially if there is another edition that George has a vision for that could benefit another release.

The problem is that WB hasn't made clear exactly what the Black and Chrome edition entails. Obviously, it's black-and-white, but we have no idea if it also contains the isolated score or not.

I've never heard about Miller doing a third cut. All I've heard is he wanted to do a black and white version with an isolated score. An isolated score doesn't really count as an alternate cut; they're not exactly common, but they're on quite a few Blu-Rays. All the Alien movies have an isolated score, for example.

[Mr. Mojo]

I honestly don't think the first three films have held up that well. Road Warrior is the best of the three, but it suffers from an inane and inadequate score, dodgy performances, and a lack of momentum until the third act. The first film has a low budget appeal to it, but beyond that it's pretty straightforward and never really recovers from the incredible opening chase. Beyond Thunderdome is pretty lackluster in every respect and it's clear Miller's whole heart wasn't in it due to the loss of his producer.

Fury Road though, man, that's one of the best action movies ever made and maybe the best movie of this decade. I look forward to see what the Black & Chrome version looks like and what new features may be added. I know at one point there was a nearly three to four-hour cut of the film I think, so it would be nice to see those deleted scenes.

[Yojimbo68]

Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo

I honestly don't think the first three films have held up that well. Road Warrior is the best of the three, but it suffers from an inane and inadequate score, dodgy performances, and a lack of momentum until the third act. The first film has a low budget appeal to it, but beyond that it's pretty straightforward and never really recovers from the incredible opening chase. Beyond Thunderdome is pretty lackluster in every respect and it's clear Miller's whole heart wasn't in it due to the loss of his producer.

Fury Road though, man, that's one of the best action movies ever made and maybe the best movie of this decade. I look forward to see what the Black & Chrome version looks like and what new features may be added. I know at one point there was a nearly three to four-hour cut of the film I think, so it would be nice to see those deleted scenes.

I don't agree with your assessment of the first two films at all. I love Mad Max. It might be a bit raw but that's what I really like about it. It's a great high octane revenge flick.

I think that Brain May composed one of the great scores of all time for The Road Warrior. He really blossomed as a composer and I can't imagine the film with any other music. It's perfect. It's a shame the LP and CD soundtrack are not complete. Supposedly, the missing cues from the film are lost. The performances in The Road Warrior are great. Usually little kids are spoilers in films like this but Emil Minty as The Feral Kid is terrific and his relationship with Max is made without almost any dialogue. Great stuff. And the film has the best action scenes ever committed to celluloid. The new movie is very good but it's stands in the shadow of two giants.