Jurassic Park Collection 4K UHD (1993-2015)

[PhantoMaster]

Originally Posted by Buckster666

If you look at the Amazon listing for the Jurassic World trilogy it states:

Bonus Content:
Disc 1 - Jurassic World:

Includes a digital copy of Jurassic World Trilogy (Subject to expiration. Go to NBCUCodes.com for details.)
Features Dolby Vision and HDR10 for Brighter, Deeper, More Lifelike Color
Deleted Scenes
Chris & Colin Take on the World
Welcome to Jurassic World
Dinosaurs Roam Once Again
Jurassic World: All-Access Pass
Innovation Center Tour with Chris Pratt
Jurassic's Closest Shaves – Presented by Barbasol®
Classic Jurassic
Building the Gyrosphere
Your Host for Jurassic World…Jimmy Fallon!
Jurassic Props
The Experts
The Sounds and the Fury


Disc 2 - Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom:
Features High Dynamic Range (HDR) for Brighter, Deeper, More Lifelike Color
On Set with Chris & Bryce
The Kingdom Evolves
Return to Hawaii
Island Action
Aboard the Arcadia
Birth of the Indoraptor
Start the Bidding!
Death by Dino
Monster in a Mansion
Rooftop Showdown
Malcolm's Return
VFX Evolved
Fallen Kingdom: The Conversation
A Song for the Kingdom
Chris Pratt's Jurassic Journals
Jurassic Then and Now - Presented by Barbasol®


Disc 3 - Jurassic World Dominion:
Features Dolby Vision and HDR10 for Brighter, Deeper, More Lifelike Color
Battle at Big Rock
A New Breed of VFX
Dinosaurs Among Us: Inside Jurassic World Dominion

Fallen Kingdom already had DV, so why would they add DV to World and remove it from Kingdom

Little disappointed that they did not include retail exclusive extra from Jurassic World and Fallen Kingdom; they could've included it here like Monsterverse 5-film collection where it had plethora of retail extras.

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Maybe I'm just being too optimistic here, but I feel the fact that it's just the first movie getting it bodes well for something new/better. Otherwise, if it was just done with minimal effort, why not just slap DV onto the other two as well?

This. I came to this same conclusion as I was reading down the thread. Then I saw you hit the nail on the head.

I also just want to believe it's true. I hope it is.

[RalphoR]

Since there seems to be a lot incomplete/misleading information, until we get the truth just

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[The Rider]

Weren't there rumours about a new Jurassic Park DCP from 2022?

As nice as a new 6K or 8K scan would be, a regrade of the 2013 4K scan without DNR would probably enough. Can anyone say anything about the original color grading of TLW and JP III?

What I find a pity is that there will be no new extras. Especially concept art and pictures of the Stan Winston Studios animatronics in 2K or 4K would be great.

[The Rider]

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

The way the original Jurassic Park is singled out as being "newly reformatted" does offer a glimmer of hope that they've finally tried to get it done properly. I hate that it having "more lifelike color" is somehow a selling point, although it seems to be meaningless HDR marketing talk as I've had a number of UHDs with the same verbiage on the packaging which don't look lifelike at all.

I wouldn't describe the prints of Jurassic Park that I've seen as "lifelike" and it's this sort of nonsense which conditions people to believe that if an art form doesn't look like real life then it must be "wrong" or "revisionist". If they have regraded the film to better match how it looked photochemically, then expect complaints about how it looks Ritrovata'd or is teal and orange because so many people seemingly don't know the difference between something simply not looking like real life and a Ritrovata grade with actual technical shortcomings.

However, you forget that most of the criticism is actually directed at masters that are actually revisionist or not completely authentic. It's not just Ritrovata, many companies have their problems here, including Warner. I'm just thinking of the 25th Anniversary Edition Blu-ray Disc of National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation.

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...01212&i=10&l=0

Or let's take the Cameron or Fincher titles as an example of revisionism.

With Jurassic Park, Jurassic Park III and Waterworld, Universal simply used ancient HD masters as a reference for color grading. Since many buyers are familiar with their look, there was unfortunately no corresponding outcry, even though this is also revisionism.

[The Rider]

Originally Posted by Ben_UK

The DNR applied to JP1, so is that actually applied to the current master or is it applied to the 4K subset (for some reason)? So for example if there is a DCP of JP1 which I imagine there is, would it thus have this same DNR as it’s baked into the master?

Universal should have archived the 4K master without DNR, but JP and JP III need a completely new color grading. There are rumours about a new JP DCP, but they are just rumours. In this context, this trailer is interesting, the cut is largely the same as the 3D trailer from back then, but the color grading is different. However, the color grading here is also a bit too cool.

Jurassic Park: 30th Anniversary | Official Trailer | Park Circus - YouTube

[Ben_UK]

Originally Posted by The Rider

However, you forget that most of the criticism is actually directed at masters that are actually revisionist or not completely authentic. It's not just Ritrovata, many companies have their problems here, including Warner. I'm just thinking of the 25th Anniversary Edition Blu-ray Disc of National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation.

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...01212&i=10&l=0

Or let's take the Cameron or Fincher titles as an example of revisionism.

With Jurassic Park, Jurassic Park III and Waterworld, Universal simply used ancient HD masters as a reference for color grading. Since many buyers are familiar with their look, there was unfortunately no corresponding outcry, even though this is also revisionism.

If Spielberg has no direct involvement, wouldn't Dean Cundey be the person to approach in order to sign off the visual look of the film? To my knowledge he has signed off other 4K masters...?

[The Rider]

@Ben_UK, which master has Dean Cundey approved? Unfortunately Universal rarely works with the filmmakers, Roger Deakins was not involved in The Big Lebowski.

Under Cundey's supervision, a much better color grading would be created, but there were also strange deviations here with Halloween and The Thing.

Is there any way to contact Cundey?

[Ben_UK]

Originally Posted by The Rider

@Ben_UK, which master has Dean Cundey approved? Unfortunately Universal rarely works with the filmmakers, Roger Deakins was not involved in The Big Lebowski.

Under Cundey's supervision, a much better color grading would be created, but there were also strange deviations here with Halloween and The Thing.

Is there any way to contact Cundey?

He approved a few Carpenter movies, Escape From NY for definite.

[frankeinstein]

Fingers crossed that they've really and properly remastered Jurassic Park.

[Esox50]

The back cover of the original trilogy to me implies all three have Dolby Vision/Atmos. The info posted here from the universal site is just a confusing product description. Given they only list special features for the two sequels, i think the Dolby Vision & Atmos mention, while listed under Jurassic Park only is meant as a “stat” for all three movies, same as the line above it where it mentions digital copies for all 3.

Regardless, I couldn’t take a chance to not own in Dolby Vision & Atmos so I pre-ordered @ $50 before prices creep up. Can always cancel.

But let’s hope they did a full remaster on the 1st. That’s worth $50 alone to me. Easy.

[Daz_85]

Originally Posted by PhantoMaster

Little disappointed that they did not include retail exclusive extra from Jurassic World and Fallen Kingdom; they could've included it here like Monsterverse 5-film collection where it had plethora of retail extras.

I completely agree. It would have been nice had they made a 'Bonus Material' disc for both trilogies to round up all the respective content.

[The Rider]

@Esox50, possibly, but Dolby Vision won't do anything without a reworked color grading. The DNR must be removed too.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by The Rider

As nice as a new 6K or 8K scan would be, a regrade of the 2013 4K scan without DNR would probably enough. Can anyone say anything about the original color grading of TLW and JP III?

The Lost World has looked great since it debuted on Blu-Ray years ago, probably the most faithful release of the trilogy. The 4k is pretty similar to the prints. JP3 is a mess all its own though and needs a remaster just as desperately as JP.

Originally Posted by The Rider

@Esox50, possibly, but Dolby Vision won't do anything without a reworked color grading. The DNR must be removed too.

It doesn't require a "remaster" no. They can toss the existing master thru a DV pass and call it a day. It's definitely not ideal which is why I'm hoping they go back to square one but it's hard to count on things these days.

[Zack83]

Originally Posted by gigan72

Do we know if they're carrying over the bonus material from the Blus? The steels look to lack Blu-rays so the 4K discs would have to be reauthored to carry over the legacy features, hopefully they're all being upgraded because 3 especially needs a remaster. Can't imagine they'd bother to move over the bonus material and add Atmos just to skip DV, but who really knows.

3 especially?! No mention of JP1 especially needing it?

[Zack83]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I'd sell all your souls for Apollo 13 redone with a beefy new encode + DV. 30th anniversary this year too.

I don't like the method either but I do understand it, that if they're going to the bovver of doing new discs then they wanna make sure they sell, and a proper limited run is one way of doing it. Keep the previous disc in print for the casuals and have the reauthored one for the true believers.

Jokes on you. Those have all long since been sold. Resell mine, though. Still no Captain Ron on UHD+DV. Working with the devil's AI customer service is a slog.

[KMFDMvsEnya]

Originally Posted by Zack83

Working with the devil's AI customer service is a slog.

Have you said thank you enough?

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Originally Posted by The Rider

However, you forget that most of the criticism is actually directed at masters that are actually revisionist or not completely authentic. It's not just Ritrovata, many companies have their problems here, including Warner. I'm just thinking of the 25th Anniversary Edition Blu-ray Disc of National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation.

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...01212&i=10&l=0

Or let's take the Cameron or Fincher titles as an example of revisionism.

With Jurassic Park, Jurassic Park III and Waterworld, Universal simply used ancient HD masters as a reference for color grading. Since many buyers are familiar with their look, there was unfortunately no corresponding outcry, even though this is also revisionism.

No, it isn't. The masters that are actually revisionist and look nothing like the prints are usually the ones that get a free pass because they look "natural" or like other home video releases. Then ones which are more faithful yet don't look like perfectly white-balanced digital video are usually accused of being "wrong" or "revisionist" by people who provide zero evidence to back up their claims.

I don't know what your point about Christmas Vacation is, and I've already spoke about it with you recently. I find it kind of peculiar and frustrating that you keep bringing up titles that I've already talked about in-depth as if I haven't already addressed them enough (sometimes even responding directly to you). You've even brought up Jurassic Park and Hellraiser recently as some sort of counter to some of my comments in other threads and bringing up a Hellraiser fan project. As far as I'm aware, the guy behind the Hellraiser project was nice enough to credit me and link/quote my post on these fan sites so I don't know why it would be used against me when I may have been the first person to publicly expose how off the home video releases were. It's that sort of stuff that made me quit uploading my own scans and findings from looking at archival 35mm prints.

Anyway, I'll link to an old post of mine concerning Christmas Vacation and I encourage anyone who decides to look at it to read my whole post, and not jump to conclusions by just looking at the images. Keep in mind, all my scans from years ago weren't done on a scanner ideal for release prints although anything I did upload (except the "raw" scans) gave a very good idea of how the colors appeared on the projected film (even if not exact). Also click on the quote and read the surrounding comments in the dedicated thread and you might understand why I decided to stop doing this.

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Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

LOL, funny thing is that I did actually post 35mm scans of this years ago and they were around for a while before the image hosting site either shut down or wiped its database. Lucky for me, I have hard drives full of this stuff.

[Show spoiler]"Raw" 35mm scan (less saturation and contrast than you'd see on the print, color information is "baked in", no adjustments made):



Optimized for digital:



"Raw" 35mm scan:



Optimized:

As you can see, despite the washed out appearance of the "raw" scans, the blue is still there... because it's part of the color palette. An outdoors night scene in the snow with a blue cast, who'da funk it?

Also, in the past when I'd post scans (and actual photos) of prints that showed blue/teal, people would come up with conspiracy theories that these were of "faded" prints because some people can't accept the truth that lighting and photochemical grading actually existed I guess. So here's some more scans that aren't blue ("Raw" on top, optimized below):

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For those wondering those yellow/greenish marks on some shots are emulsion scratches. Most of the black marks are small hairs (Lionsgate film-out pubes) or bits of dust, not damage to the element itself.

Pretty sad that trolls on here have nothing better to do than talk crap about perfectly fine releases and claim they're revisionist while holding up completely revisionist releases as a reference. You can like the old release all you want, no need to spread lies and misinformation about one of the most accurate and film-like discs out there to justify preferring an incorrect (in multiple ways) presentation to others and yourself.

After seeing posts like this in near enough every thread, not to mention the psychotic PMs I receive, especially just a few days away from Christmas, think it's safe to say that some people need to either get lives or some mental help because this sort of shit I'm seeing is just pure insanity.

Really wish this site would require you to pass a basic test before you could post on these forums. Imagine the amount of "Blanket tint" and teal outrage you wouldn't have to crawl through to get to some posts of substance along with posts by good posters trying to get through to these folk that can never and probably don't want to be reached.

TL;DR: The 25th Anniversary Blu-ray of Christmas Vacation is one of the most faithful and accurate home video releases I've seen, so it's no surprise that people on here had issues with it. The UHD looks different, although it seems Warner listened to people's issues with the remastered Blu-ray and provided an alternate way to view the film. It looks great, but it's not more "accurate" and there's nothing wrong with that as the 25th Anniversary Blu-ray is very faithful to the texture, density, colors, etc. of the original prints. People expect more from the UHD format. Frankly, I have no idea why people who want "preservations" that look exactly like the fourth generation prints are even buying UHDs anyway. If that's what you want then take your money and give it to film archives and they may even invite you to special screenings or provide you special access to other things.

By the way, Gremlins is another film where the blues during the night scenes looked very much like those on Christmas Vacation and definitely leaned cyan. I have scans of that film on a hard drive somewhere in storage too.

[gigan72]

Originally Posted by Zack83

3 especially?! No mention of JP1 especially needing it?

It's a given that JP1 should be improved and it looks like they did (based off wording and the addition of DV), I singled out 3 because that one arguably looks worse than JP1 on 4K and there's been no indication they've attempted to improve JP3s transfer (unlike JP1 that specifies it has DV now). But if they don't bother fixing 3 now, I doubt they ever will.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

JP3 is a mess all its own though and needs a remaster just as desperately as JP.

JP III has *always* been fugly, it was fugly in theaters. It was fugly in screeners, it was fugly on DVD, on Blu, and now on 4K. I don't know what people are expecting here.