Star Wars Question Regarding Palpatine/Darth Sidious

[Ator the Invincible]

Originally Posted by aramis109

Would be interested in reading some more of this "Palpatine created Anakin" bit if folks have links. First I've heard of it.

There's a bit of a misconception here. Palpatine didn't create Anakin, but he believed that his mentor, Darth Plagueis, did. It was never flat out stated in the movies, but it was heavily hinted to be the truth. It all goes back to Episode I and Anakin's mom stating that there was no father. Fast forward to Episode III, and there's a scene where Palpatine and Anakin are sitting together at a show. It's here that Palpatine tells Anakin the story of Darth Plagueis, the Sith Lord who learned how to create life using the Force. Palpatine believed that Plagueis succeeded and Anakin was the result, hence his interest in young Skywalker.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Plagueis

[anomynous]

Originally Posted by aramis109

Would be interested in reading some more of this "Palpatine created Anakin" bit if folks have links. First I've heard of it.

there's no real info about it, other than Anakin having no father, and Palpatine saying while his master (Darth Plagueis) was trying to find out how to have eternal life, he found a way to create life from the force.


But here's a wiki page that goes into detail, and expanded universe stuff too


Palpatine


EDIT: Somewhat double post

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Ator the Invincible

There's a bit of a misconception here. Palpatine didn't create Anakin, but he believed that his mentor, Darth Plagueis, did. It was never flat out stated in the movies, but it was heavily hinted to be the truth. It all goes back to Episode I and Anakin's mom stating that there was no father. Fast forward to Episode III, and there's a scene where Palpatine and Anakin are sitting together at a show. It's here that Palpatine tells Anakin the story of Darth Plagueis, the Sith Lord who learned how to create life using the Force. Palpatine believed that Plagueis succeeded and Anakin was the result, hence his interest in young Skywalker.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Plagueis

I always figured that Palpatine was responsible because he mention that the apprentice learn all the secrets and then kill his master (the apprentice being himself) and that he then went on to influence the Force to have Anakin.

[Ator the Invincible]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I always figured that Palpatine was responsible because he mention that the apprentice learn all the secrets and then kill his master (the apprentice being himself) and that he then went on to influence the Force to have Anakin.

The way I remember it, Palpatine murdered Plagueis upon learning of his master's intent to create life with the force. He did so because he feared Plagueis intended to replace him (Palpatine) with his new creation. The experiment had already been carried out by then, however, so Palpatine kept on eye on Anakin's development and eventually took him on as his own apprentice. I wish I could remember the exact source of that story. I know I read it somewhere. And it's echoed on those wiki pages being linked. Anyway, they certainly left some room for interpretation.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Ator the Invincible

The way I remember it, Palpatine murdered Plagueis upon learning of his master's intent to create life with the force. He did so because he feared Plagueis intended to replace him (Palpatine) with his new creation. The experiment had already been carried out by then, however, so Palpatine kept on eye on Anakin's development and eventually took him on as his own apprentice. I wish I could remember the exact source of that story. I know I read it somewhere. And it's echoed on those wiki pages being linked.

It does make sense, I just went with what is heard in the movies but going with this make's a lot of sense. I would have to read the books again, I am sure they give more details on that.

[Chordata]

Can't believe I've missed this the entire time.

Are you guys saying the whole midichlorian deal was actually the Sith "making" Anakin?

They could have made Ep. 1 a whole lot more interesting by just coming out and stating the above in Ep. 3.

The whole "he has no father" thing was lame.

[thePhoenix]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Animation? I always figured it would make a heck of a nice animation movie, specialy if you can get them to do the voices.

Nah, the real deal!

[Ator the Invincible]

Originally Posted by thePhoenix

Nah, the real deal!

So, you want them to make a movie set during the original trilogy but with new actors playing the characters? That sounds like a disaster to me. If they were ever to make it, animation is the only way to go, IMO.

[groove93]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

The whole "he has no father" thing was lame.

Not necessarily lame, but more or less paying homage to various stories such as Jesus Christ, and King Arthur, and how they became to be. This is one of the reasons why the original Star Wars films have such great stories because they all include characteristics of many great books, whether it be La Morte Aurthor, The Iliad, the Bible, etc. etc.

[The Dragon]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Sith are able to cover their powers, it's one of their special abilities. Also it's good to remember that the Jedi in the movies are no longer the Jedi of old. They are decadent, too sure of themselves, Yoda make's a few remarks about that in the movies. After a 1000 years a lot of techniques and teachings have been lost to them due to lack of use and the fact that they refuse to evolve their believes. This would give a serious advantage to a Sith master and his apprentice. A thousand years without much of any challenges and enemies will make anyone lose their edge and that is where the Jedi are in the prequels. Yoda known's it, Qui Gon knew it as well.

It's always been my believe that Darth Sidious created Anakin, there is a few hints here in there in the movies.

The clone army was ordered by Sifo-Dyas, it's never too clear if he was Dooku or not but in the movie Obiwan is saying he was dead for 10 years, so I doubt he could confuse Dooku and Sifo-Dyas, it's probably that Sifo-Dyas was a older Jedi that was influence by Darth Sidious to order the clones.

P@t_Mtl, after watching Attack of The Clones, there's a scene where I picked up on a subtle "rumble in The Force," by Yoda... It's when Palpatine is "recommending" Pademe be guarded by Jedi-even Obi Wan... The camera cuts to Yoda, who gives this slight gaze toward Palpatine, and there is a slight rumble in the soundtrack. It's sublte, but there. Check it out for yourselves and you'll see what I mean. It's almost as if at that moment, for a second, Yoda was on to something.

[GORT]

Originally Posted by aramis109

Would be interested in reading some more of this "Palpatine created Anakin" bit if folks have links. First I've heard of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R09jFWQVrE0

[GeneD5]

Originally Posted by GORT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R09jFWQVrE0

There's great conversation all through the comments on that link. I'm going to puff down and watch ep III right now I believe

[GeneD5]

Here's another point for discussion:

Obi-Wan gets his a$$ handed to himself everytime he encounters Dooku (end of epII as well as the beginning of epIII) and Anakin is the one who ends up taking Dooku out, and quite easily at that. But, at the end of epIII Obi-Wan not only duels out out big time with Anakin, but takes Anakin down. So Obi-Wan clearly can't take Dooku down, but can take down the guy who takes Dooku down...the math doesn't add up.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by GeneD5

Here's another point for discussion:

Obi-Wan gets his a$$ handed to himself everytime he encounters Dooku (end of epII as well as the beginning of epIII) and Anakin is the one who ends up taking Dooku out, and quite easily at that. But, at the end of epIII Obi-Wan not only duels out out big time with Anakin, but takes Anakin down. So Obi-Wan clearly can't take Dooku down, but can take down the guy who takes Dooku down...the math doesn't add up.

Pure skill and arrogance/pride vs skill and experience

He only took Anakin down because of his foolish arrogance. Anakin made a bone head, cocky, stupid decision by making that leap. Obi-wan's experience took advantage.


That and the lame "in universe" thing of "the force was with him".

[Sylin]

Originally Posted by GeneD5

Here's another point for discussion:

Obi-Wan gets his a$$ handed to himself everytime he encounters Dooku (end of epII as well as the beginning of epIII) and Anakin is the one who ends up taking Dooku out, and quite easily at that. But, at the end of epIII Obi-Wan not only duels out out big time with Anakin, but takes Anakin down. So Obi-Wan clearly can't take Dooku down, but can take down the guy who takes Dooku down...the math doesn't add up.

That's because combat isn't a mathematical equation.

Combat is relative to the situation, and the environment. Certain combatants mix/match well, while others do not. Not just in fictional settings like Star Wars, but in real life.

The Nashville Predators seem to do well against the Detroit Red Wings. Detroit does well against San Jose. But Nashville can't handle San Jose. It's a conundrum!

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by GeneD5

Here's another point for discussion:

Obi-Wan gets his a$$ handed to himself everytime he encounters Dooku (end of epII as well as the beginning of epIII) and Anakin is the one who ends up taking Dooku out, and quite easily at that. But, at the end of epIII Obi-Wan not only duels out out big time with Anakin, but takes Anakin down. So Obi-Wan clearly can't take Dooku down, but can take down the guy who takes Dooku down...the math doesn't add up.

Obi-Wan had the high ground. Try the math on that.

Logan

[Batman1980]

Actually according to the novels based on the books there were a few reasons for this. One, Dooku was told to use Obi-Wan to help Anakin turn to the dark side. Eliminate Kenobi and turn Skywalker. Also, Kenobi was getting the crap kicked out of him until Skywalker jumped. Ultimate Jedi loses by a Force jump? Are you kidding me? The book's reason for why Kenobi survived the duel was he knew Anakin so well from their training sessions that he could counter just enough to stay alive.

[Ernest Rister]

Listen to the audio commentary on Episode III during the water opera scene.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Blu Blood
So whats happening with episodes VII. VIII. IX are they still a go?

Not happening. Star Wars is intended to be the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. With his death in Episode VI, there is no more to tell.

I agree that they're not happening, but not for the reasons you state. Before Lucas started work on Episodes I, II and III, he did say there were going to be six more (nine in total) and they originally were going to release a prequel, then a sequel, then a prequel, etc.

But for reasons unknown to me, but probably as other posters have stated - Lucas decided it would take too many years of his life and perhaps not ever be completed, he decided to only do the prequels.

I don't buy that there's nothing left to tell. That's like saying there's nothing left to tell about the United States after the revolution or after the Civil War or WWII. And the books (not that I've read any) seem to have a ton of stories to tell.

I don't think they will let this franchise die, so eventually, there are going to be additional Star Wars movies (even if we're talking 10-20 years from now). To get around fans loyalty to the original actors, they'll simply move on from those characters and portray new ones - the children or grandchildren of the characters. It will be tricky because they'll have to keep the stories consistent with the books because they are considered to be part of the Star Wars universe and the canon, right? Or they can simply skip all that and move the story to take place hundreds of years later....it can be about some lone Luke Skywalker-type character who somehow discovers the secrets of the Jedi, who have long been extinct, blah blah blah and uses that to fight some new evil character, yada yada.

Lucas is 65. When he leaves the planet, Lucasfilm will probably be sold off and whoever buys it is going to reboot the most successful film franchise of all time, for better or for worse. That could be tomorrow, it could be 30 years from now.

[Diesel]

I would love to see Kyle Katarn in a movie one day.