Do you want updated special effects for 2001: A Space Odyssey? - Blu-ray Forum

Q? · 11-10-2009, 03:50 PM

My question is to you 2001 fans out there.
The scenes I'm talking about are the exterior space ship shots & not the 5/6 min. acid trip at the ending.
Before you start flaming me, I'm still able to enjoy 2001 for what it is, I thoroughly love it.
But sometimes I can help but think to myself that the shots "need" to look more realistic. After all Kubricks goal was to make it realistic.

I know many of you are going to shoot this idea down, kind of like the "Casablanca colorized" thread.
I personally would be interested in it, after all nothing of Kubrick's ideas and goals with this movie would be compromised by a slight "facelift" in my opinion.

JRS03 · 11-10-2009, 03:53 PM

Why would you ever destroy a masterpiece? I mean look at Lucas he has totally butchered the SW masterpieces! Just leave stuff alone! If you want to see new effects then make a new film...

I just dont understand where this stuff is coming from. Do new special effects make a film better? No...

CZAR · 11-10-2009, 03:57 PM

Boyee u love this movie dont u? lol Got Em!!

Sponge-worthy · 11-10-2009, 03:59 PM

Nope.

JRS03 · 11-10-2009, 04:00 PM

"When" a film comes out is almost as important as the film itself. I dont think just because films can be made to look more "modern" is a reason to change them.

Q? · 11-10-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JRS03

"When" a film comes out is almost as important as the film itself. I dont think just because films can be made to look more "modern" is a reason to change them.

You're totally misunderstanding me man.
I'm talking about elevating the realism. Not making it "modern".

J. J. Hunsecker · 11-12-2009, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Q!

You're totally misunderstanding me man.
I'm talking about elevating the realism. Not making it "modern".

The effects look great to me. I'd say they were some of the best ever done in the history of film, along with Star Wars, Blade Runner, Alien, The Thing (1982) and Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

How would you make it more "realistic"? Not with CGI, I hope. 'Cause CGI looks cold and lifeless to me.

groove93 · 11-10-2009, 04:01 PM

A certain quote from "Ratchet" is needed.

lol

Q? · 11-10-2009, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CZAR

Boyee u love this movie dont u? lol Got Em!!

I think I just made my own "hate following"
Go!!

CZAR · 11-10-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Q!

I think I just made my own "hate following"
Go!!

I aint mad atcha! We love what we love right?

Got Em!!

Q? · 11-10-2009, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRS03

Why would you ever destroy a masterpiece? I mean look at Lucas he has totally butchered the SW masterpieces! Just leave stuff alone! If you want to see new effects then make a new film...

I just dont understand where this stuff is coming from. Do new special effects make a film better? No...

I'm afraid you're misunderstanding me.
I'm talking about elevating the realism, I'm sure Kubrick would have wanted that if he had the resoures and the special effects at the time couldn't live up to it.
It's still impressive though.

groove93 · 11-10-2009, 03:59 PM

For what purpose would you try and update some of the most stunning images in film. This is a slow-paced film, and the sequences and music fit quite well, although the score was not the first choice to begin with. Just call it, destiny.

The flyby of the Discovery is enough for me to say, that this is Demo material in my books.

jhiggy23 · 11-11-2009, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by groove93

for what purpose would you try and update some of the most stunning images in film. This is a slow-paced film, and the sequences and music fit quite well, although the score was not the first choice to begin with. Just call it, destiny.

The flyby of the discovery is enough for me to say, that this is demo material in my books.

+1

Fighter · 11-11-2009, 02:04 AM

Man do I miss the days of original man made special effects and makeup (Star Wars, 2001, Blade Runner, An American Werewolf in London, The Howling, etc., etc.)

I understand the importance of today's CGI used in moderation (Gollum, King Kong) but I'm so sick of the over saturated use of CGI in todays films.

Blu-Raider · 11-11-2009, 02:07 AM

The magic of this film is the fact it was made in 1968 and truly offered a glimpse of the future. You have to remember -- when this movie was filmed, no one had ever seen the earth from space.

It is a true work of art. To alter it would be a crime, imo.

wallendo · 11-11-2009, 02:29 AM

The early shots of the space station above the earth do not look realistic by modern standards; but, I generally don't like the idea or updating older movies. Sometimes, I can accept minor corrections such as hiding a wire. I also have no problems with rerendering CGI at higher resolutions using the same models etc. But, to me, dated special effects are part of the experience of watching older science fiction movies. If I want modern CGI and a "2001-like" experience, I will watch the first 20 minutes of WALL*E.

Of course, in another 50-60 years 2001 will enter the public domain and enterprising people can enhance the special effects all they want.

wallendo · 11-11-2009, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Blu-Raider

The magic of this film is the fact it was made in 1968 and truly offered a glimpse of the future. You have to remember -- when this movie was filmed, no one had ever seen the earth from space.

...

The first American orbited the Earth in 1962. The Russians had done it earlier.

Col. Zombie · 11-11-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by groove93

For what purpose would you try and update some of the most stunning images in film.

The flyby of the Discovery is enough for me to say, that this is Demo material in my books.

The most stunning images in film?

Yeah, maybe 40 years ago. Now I would just describe them as lackluster.

If someone wanted to polish them up a bit, it wouldn't bother me.

groove93 · 11-11-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Col.Zombie

The most stunning images in film?

Yeah, maybe 40 years ago. Now I would just describe them as lackluster.

If someone wanted to polish them up a bit, it wouldn't bother me.

You have any examples of modern films that look better? Especially in 70mm?

Grand Bob · 11-11-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Col.Zombie

The most stunning images in film?

Yeah, maybe 40 years ago. Now I would just describe them as lackluster.

If someone wanted to polish them up a bit, it wouldn't bother me.

Actually, despite its age, 2001 has been cited by many, including home theater magazine reviewers, as a reference standard for demonstrating capabilities of high definition displays.

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11-10-2009, 03:50 PM	#1
Q? Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Dec 2008 Location:Nuuk, Greenland Blu-ray collection:168	Do you want updated special effects for 2001: A Space Odyssey? My question is to you 2001 fans out there. The scenes I'm talking about are the exterior space ship shots & not the 5/6 min. acid trip at the ending. Before you start flaming me, I'm still able to enjoy 2001 for what it is, I thoroughly love it. But sometimes I can help but think to myself that the shots "need" to look more realistic. After all Kubricks goal was to make it realistic. I know many of you are going to shoot this idea down, kind of like the "Casablanca colorized" thread. I personally would be interested in it, after all nothing of Kubrick's ideas and goals with this movie would be compromised by a slight "facelift" in my opinion.

11-10-2009, 04:01 PM	#8
groove93 Expert Member Member since:Dec 2008 Home Theater Gallery:74 4K collection:44 Blu-ray collection:162	A certain quote from "Ratchet" is needed. lol Last edited by groove93; 11-10-2009 at 04:04 PM.

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11-10-2009, 03:53 PM	#2
JRS03 Banned Member since:May 2009 Blu-ray collection:51 Blu-ray reviews:5	Why would you ever destroy a masterpiece? I mean look at Lucas he has totally butchered the SW masterpieces! Just leave stuff alone! If you want to see new effects then make a new film... I just dont understand where this stuff is coming from. Do new special effects make a film better? No...

11-10-2009, 03:57 PM	#3
CZAR Blu-ray Prince Member since:Jul 2009 Location:Camp Crystal lake 4K collection:72 Blu-ray collection:312 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:75	Boyee u love this movie dont u? lol Got Em!!

11-10-2009, 03:59 PM	#4
Sponge-worthy Blu-ray Guru Member since:Apr 2009 Location:Southwest, USA PSN: Sponge-worthy Blu-ray collection:43	Nope.

11-10-2009, 04:00 PM	#5
JRS03 Banned Member since:May 2009 Blu-ray collection:51 Blu-ray reviews:5	"When" a film comes out is almost as important as the film itself. I dont think just because films can be made to look more "modern" is a reason to change them.

11-11-2009, 02:04 AM	#14
Fighter Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Oct 2009 Location:☣☣☣☣☣ Blu-ray collection:14	Man do I miss the days of original man made special effects and makeup (Star Wars, 2001, Blade Runner, An American Werewolf in London, The Howling, etc., etc.) I understand the importance of today's CGI used in moderation (Gollum, King Kong) but I'm so sick of the over saturated use of CGI in todays films.

11-11-2009, 02:07 AM	#15
Blu-Raider Expert Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Dark Side of the Moon Home Theater Gallery:12 Blu-ray collection:64 Blu-ray reviews:2	The magic of this film is the fact it was made in 1968 and truly offered a glimpse of the future. You have to remember -- when this movie was filmed, no one had ever seen the earth from space. It is a true work of art. To alter it would be a crime, imo.

11-11-2009, 02:29 AM	#16
wallendo Power Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Southeastern NC 4K collection:100 Blu-ray collection:1027 DVD collection:7 MA collection:3 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:4	The early shots of the space station above the earth do not look realistic by modern standards; but, I generally don't like the idea or updating older movies. Sometimes, I can accept minor corrections such as hiding a wire. I also have no problems with rerendering CGI at higher resolutions using the same models etc. But, to me, dated special effects are part of the experience of watching older science fiction movies. If I want modern CGI and a "2001-like" experience, I will watch the first 20 minutes of WALL*E. Of course, in another 50-60 years 2001 will enter the public domain and enterprising people can enhance the special effects all they want.

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