Done with Microsoft! Selling my XBox

[Shadowself]

Originally Posted by supabilly8

im pissed at m$

but when halo 3 comes out, ill forgive them

Ah yes. Another example of Microsoft buying their way into control.

You do know that Bungie -- before it was bought by Microsoft -- had announced Halo as a Macintosh *ONLY* game, don't you? Bungie was even showcased at a MacWorld Expo by Apple several years back where they formally announced the game and showed demo clips.

Microsoft just could not have that and when the could not get Bungie to do both a Mac and Windows (or Xbox) version, they just bought the company by making them an offer they could not refuse.

Sound familiar to you with regard to the last couple of days?

Personally, I've never touched Halo because of these tactics by Microsoft.

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by Azumi

I've also switched to a Mac a few years ago, and I'm extremely satisfied of my choice. They're extremely reliable and easy to use, and OS X has the most intuitive interface I've ever seen on a computer.

Our kids shake their head at what they had to put up with using Windows. None of them would willingly use a Windows system anymore. That Mac ad about the new Vista security controls is the best example. On the Mac it's done right..in Vista it's a joke..literally.

Originally Posted by Azumi

I come from 10 years of various flavors of Windows, and although my PCs were well maintained, none of them'd come close to the ease of use of Macs. It's very difficult to give an opinion without passing for a fan, but the Mac Pros/iMacs are the kind of computers who can work 24/7 with 15 apps constantly open and don't need to be rebooted before 2 or 3 months -- and only because you have to install a service pack. And the Mac Mini is perfect as a media center, and can handle 1080p without problems. They just work.

User-switching is awesome when you have kids. All the kids maintain their context and open apps..no screaming at each other that someone messed with someones' stuff.

[Bigdog]

Hey whatever, i have run win xp pro on my pc for about 5 years now, never had a virus, never had any issues related to the o/s, all it has done is work as intended the entire time. I have no need to spend a grand more for the same product, the apple elite bs is over and done with, all you are doing is running a pc on a mac o/s! Funny like you said many apple users now run windows, so what the hell is there to brag about, what the sticker on the outside of the case lol, ridiculas keep justifying the added expense as it being better when it is not!

[FilmmakingFiasco]

Originally Posted by Shadowself

Ah yes. Another example of Microsoft buying their way into control.

You do know that Bungie -- before it was bought by Microsoft -- had announced Halo as a Macintosh *ONLY* game, don't you? Bungie was even showcased at a MacWorld Expo by Apple several years back where they formally announced the game and showed demo clips.

Microsoft just could not have that and when the could not get Bungie to do both a Mac and Windows (or Xbox) version, they just bought the company by making them an offer they could not refuse.

Sound familiar to you with regard to the last couple of days?

Personally, I've never touched Halo because of these tactics by Microsoft.

http://www.insidemacgames.com/news/s...ArticleID=2336

Halo wouldn't be the game that it is if it didn't come to the Xbox.

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by Shadowself

This used to be true. It is true no longer and has not been for 3-4 years. For a comparable computer (same specs) a Windows based PC from a Tier 1 vendor is comparably priced to a Mac OS based PC from Apple. You can do some research and find that in some cases Macs are a bit less expensive while in counter cases Windows PCs from Tier 1 vendors can be a bit less expensive. It is absolutely no longer the case that Macs are universally more expensive.

The only way you're going to save 1000 dollars on a comparable machine is if you build it yourself and spend a fair amount of time finding the best prices on individual components and a fair amount of time assembling and testing it. Then if it fails you have no warranty other than components warranties and you are your own repair person.

As to the "crap software selection": there are a few professional niches where there is no software for Macs. However, for the average consumer there are many software choices for what they want. AND there is still nothing comparable to iLife native on a Windows PC.

And as to a "under stocked": there are literally dozens of online vendors that carry Macs, often with better pricing than you will find anywhere and many of which have been carrying Macs since the 80s -- not to mention Apple's own online store. Plus Apple is opening new Apple stores almost on a weekly basis. Comp-USA has an Apple "store within a store" area. On top of this there are the mom & pop Apple stores (my favorite for personal purchases).

Yep.

[Jim L]

I'm a software developer for a public company. In my job I use mostly Microsoft products for Windows and Web applications. They do have some good products for enterprise systems, but they are not the only one in that arena.

Anyway, Microsoft's latest sleazy move has pushed me over the edge and I have decided my next home machine will be a Mac. I tried the iMac (G5) a couple years ago right before they went to Intel processors, and really liked the experience. OSX is much nicer to use than Windows. There is not as much software out there for the Mac, but it's getting better.

The things that are better about OSX:

• Don't need anti-virus
• Nicer look and feel to the interface
• Much better integration with other hardware (cameras, cell-phones, USB drives, wireless hub, printers)
• My 2 favorite browsers are Safari and Opera - both available for OSX
• Better integration with the Apple software suite (ie launches apps automatically)
• Doesn't pester me to death! I can enjoy using the computer without having to click to get rid of a bunch of annoying dialog boxes!
• OSX update is smoother. XP's update process is a dreaded procedure.

The great thing is that you don't have to let 1 or 2 "must-have" Windows applications keep you from an iMac. Now they can dual-boot OSX and Windows.

[Shadowself]

Originally Posted by FilmmakingFiasco

http://www.insidemacgames.com/news/s...ArticleID=2336

Halo wouldn't be the game that it is if it didn't come to the Xbox.

I disagree. It would still have been the same game. It would just never have had as large an audience. (IIRC Apple's market share at that time was only 2-3%.)

[statikcat]

Originally Posted by Bigdog

Hey whatever, i have run win xp pro on my pc for about 5 years now, never had a virus, never had any issues related to the o/s, all it has done is work as intended the entire time. I have no need to spend a grand more for the same product, the apple elite bs is over and done with, all you are doing is running a pc on a mac o/s! Funny like you said many apple users now run windows, so what the hell is there to brag about, what the sticker on the outside of the case lol, ridiculas keep justifying the added expense as it being better when it is not!

When the Mac Pro was released it was a better deal than Dell. You are really clueless and obviously dont know much about Macs. Their value varies depending on how close it is to a refresh but overall this statement is ignorant. Also, people had OSx installed on a PC before Windows was ever installed on a Mac. Add that to another thing you don't know about Macs .. the list must be long! Also, you are claiming they are the same thing so obviously you don't realize the is a difference between OSx and Windows. Besides, it is mostly about the OS and unless you have owned a Mac you really don't know it very well.

Anyway, this is going off-topic on the off-topic post

[Mr.Neutral]

Originally Posted by Shadowself

You do know that Bungie -- before it was bought by Microsoft -- had announced Halo as a Macintosh *ONLY* game, don't you? Bungie was even showcased at a MacWorld Expo by Apple several years back where they formally announced the game and showed demo clips.

Which do you think ended up making more money though? Halo on the Mac only would have made a lot less than Halo did end up making. Bungie is better because of this move.

[Shadowself]

Originally Posted by Bigdog

Hey whatever, i have run win xp pro on my pc for about 5 years now, never had a virus, never had any issues related to the o/s, all it has done is work as intended the entire time. I have no need to spend a grand more for the same product, the apple elite bs is over and done with, all you are doing is running a pc on a mac o/s! Funny like you said many apple users now run windows, so what the hell is there to brag about, what the sticker on the outside of the case lol, ridiculas keep justifying the added expense as it being better when it is not!

just don't expect a lot of other people to agree with you after they've checked out the facts for themselves.

You can run any trend line you want through a single data point. Your personal experience could be a six sigma outlier just as easily as it could be the norm.

Also just keep repeating that Macs are part of an "apple elite" [sic] and that you need to "spend a grand more for the same product". It's not true, but you can keep telling yourself this if it makes you feel better.

[Shadowself]

Originally Posted by Mr.Neutral

Which do you think ended up making more money though? Halo on the Mac only would have made a lot less than Halo did end up making. Bungie is better because of this move.

Oh certainly Bungie is *financially* better off because of Microsoft's move. (Hell, just having access to Microsoft's financial resources as part of the big Microsoft has helped them financially.)

I'm sure Paramount's *financial* statements over the next couple of quarters will be significantly better over the next couple of quarters than it would have been if they had not gotten an influx of $150 million.

My point was not that I was/am against Halo showing up on Windows and Xbox. My point was that Microsoft used its checking account to remove an option for users. If Microsoft had bought Bungie and added Windows and Xbox support and kept Mac support then I'd have supported their move. They did not. They killed off the Mac development and intentionally threw out all Mac specific efforts already completed.

IMNSHO Bungie should have made Halo cross platform from the start. However, what Microsoft did with Bungie is, as I see it, similar to what they did with Paramount. Microsoft used its check book to make a product available in Microsoft's preferred format *ONLY*.

[statikcat]

Originally Posted by Shadowself

IMNSHO Bungie should have made Halo cross platform from the start. However, what Microsoft did with Bungie is, as I see it, similar to what they did with Paramount. Microsoft used its check book to make a product available in Microsoft's preferred format *ONLY*.

Hey to be fair Apple has done the same thing. Take Logic Pro for example. It was made by a company called Emagic which was cross platform. Apple bought out Emagic and dumped pc support in a minute and left PC users at a dead end with an expensive high end audio program.

[GasCat]

WTG!! Knowing that I am done with them feels fantastic. I feel clean now. I know the ones that haven't decided are laughing but it is true.

You'll feel the same way when you get rid of anything M$. Vote with your pocketbook, M$ is why this stupid war is back again.