BD Players that can output a 1080p/24 signal

[Blu@me]

Originally Posted by Beta-guy

this is sorta on the same topic I thought I'd ask, I have a 1080i TV that if I tell the PS3 to do 1080P it will and I can see the screen but I see mild distortion like small lines of static, or dots of static, nothing much but enough to be irritating, does anyone under why or how it does this, is it possible to maybe make it do 1080P without the distortions? sorry if I should have started a new topic.

Hi. I'd first to match the resolution like 1080i-1080i(from players)
Most of Tvs will give out 720P Res.for my taste....Its better.

[canuckerfan]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

I am not sure if your Sharp supports 1080P/24. It does support 1080P/60 according to the specs. If it does support 1080P/24 the big question is does it process the signal correctly and display it on the screen at multiplies of the original frame.

thanks. so I got this straight from the manual. There's a "Film Mode" on this set. and when it's enabled, it "automatically detects a film-based source (originally encoded at 24 frames/second), analyzes it then recreates each still frame for high definition picture quality." this description still kinna leaves things in the grey for the frame reproduction part.

[HDTV1080P]

Home Theater’s review of the Samsung BD-UP5000

For those who are considering purchasing a dual format player here is a excellent review of the positives and negatives of the player that well be going out of production in May. The BD-UP5500 might replace the BD-UP5000.

Profile 1.1 support quote
“While the manual (likely printed some time ago) states that the Duo HD does not support the BD-Java features that require Profile 1.1 (such as picture-in-picture video commentaries) hardware, Samsung claims that the player now does play those features. “

Does not have the min hardware requirements for Profile 2.0 (BD-LIVE Quote
“The Duo HD has a (LAN) Ethernet port but is not spec'd as a Profile 2.0 (BD Live) player.s”

Multichannel analog outputs muted when 1080P/24 output mode is selected quote
“The Duo HD can output 1080p/24 or 1080p/60 over HDMI, and 1080i over component. Unfortunately, selecting 24fps mutes the multichannel analog outputs.”

Advanced audio codec’s like DTS HD Master Audio coming in a firmware update in May according to what Samsung says (quote)
“Samsung has told us that a firmware update to pass soundtracks in both of these lossless formats to a suitable A/V receiver, in bitstream form, is in the works. But it isn't due until May. The fact that it's still four months off suggests that a considerable amount of engineering is involved, and you can't always engineer to a deadline. Our experience with most manufacturers suggests that it's a dicey move, at best, to base a purchase decision on a promised delivery date for future vaporware.”

Firmware updates quotes
“With the constant flood of important firmware updates coming out for this and other players, a user should not be required to have an intimate grasp of computers—or any computer knowledge at all—to get his or her player up to speed. One obvious solution would be for manufacturers to keep buyers' info from warrantee cards on file and overnight an update disc to each customer. I'm sorry, manufacturers, if this sounds like too much trouble. But if you can't get the product working right out of the gate, or if a format is in constant flux, the consumer shouldn't be required to be a computer-geek and beta-tester to fix it. And if you expect high definition on disc to go mass market, this situation needs to be addressed—and fast.”


Some positive quotes

“It also properly de-interlaced 1080i material to 1080p, including recognition of 3/2 pulldown. 1080i isn't common on high definition discs, but you will find it on concert releases.”

” Disc loading times were comparable to the newest dedicated HD DVD and Blu-ray players I've tested. Short of Sony's PlayStation3 for Blu-ray (still the speed champ) you won't do much better. In one respect, however, the Samsung was very fast: its time from power-up to drawer-open was a swift 15 seconds.
But where the Samsung really excelled was in pure picture quality. The Samsung produced high definition images from both BD and HD DVD that were as good—and sometimes better—than those I've seen from high definition players dedicated to either format. The improvement was not dramatic, but in its color saturation, sharpness (without artificiality), depth, and overall image "pop" the Duo HD marginally beat out the Panasonic DMP-BD30 on Blu-ray and at least equaled the Toshiba HD-A35 on HD DVD”

“Conclusions
The Samsung BD-UP5000 is in many ways a superb high definition disc player—with arguably the best picture quality I've yet seen from high definition discs.
But it's a work in progress, with shortcomings that need to be fixed. Hopefully they will be, with future firmware. Internet reports also suggest that the problems we encountered were widespread, both before and after the update, and not simply indicative of a defective sample.
While I haven't yet found a completely bug-free Blu-ray or HD DVD player, I can't quite recommend the Samsung Duo HD as it currently stands, even apart from its inability to play back advanced audio. That conclusion may well change in the future, and I hope it does. Certainly we look forward to a follow-up to this report when Samsung has ironed out all the kinks. But with the market looking increasingly Blu, by the time we have the answers will we still be asking the questions? “
http://hometheatermag.com/discplayers/108sam5000/

[HDTV1080P]

Since BLU-RAY officially won the format war it is safe for everyone to upgrade all their DVD players to BLU-RAY players. There is no reason to own a dual format player now unless one owns a lot of HD-DVD discs. The following information is for those people that own several HD-DVD movie discs.

The only reason to own a dual format player now is for someone that currently owns a large selection HD-DVD movies. Since HD-DVD players and dual format players are going to most likely disappear from the market soon the smart thing to do is to purchase a BLU-RAY player. If one owns a large selection of HD-DVD titles they might consider buying a dual format player before they are discontinued. The smart thing to do is to sale your favorite HD-DVD titles on EBAY when the same Universal Studios or Paramount Pictures title is released on BLU-RAY. There might be a few HD-DVD movies that will never be released on BLU-RAY.
I am 100% BLU-RAY and do not own a dual format or HD-DVD player but back in the days of Laserdisc I had a similar situation occur to me that HD-DVD owners now have. For many years I collected Laserdiscs and when the DVD format came out I purchased a Pioneer dual format player that played both Laserdiscs and DVD’s. Of course that dual format player worked with no problems. In two years after the DVD format was introduced it killed the Laserdisc format. What I have been doing for years is selling my Laserdiscs when the same title is released on DVD and BLU-RAY as long as it is a better version then the Laserdisc. I still own several Laserdisc titles since some titles have never been released on either the BLU-RAY or DVD format yet and might never be.

[bobcox]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Home Theater’s review of the Samsung BD-UP5000

For those who are considering purchasing a dual format player here is a excellent review of the positives and negatives of the player that well be going out of production in May. The BD-UP5500 might replace the BD-UP5000.

Profile 1.1 support quote
“While the manual (likely printed some time ago) states that the Duo HD does not support the BD-Java features that require Profile 1.1 (such as picture-in-picture video commentaries) hardware, Samsung claims that the player now does play those features. “

Does not have the min hardware requirements for Profile 2.0 (BD-LIVE Quote
“The Duo HD has a (LAN) Ethernet port but is not spec'd as a Profile 2.0 (BD Live) player.s”

Multichannel analog outputs muted when 1080P/24 output mode is selected quote
“The Duo HD can output 1080p/24 or 1080p/60 over HDMI, and 1080i over component. Unfortunately, selecting 24fps mutes the multichannel analog outputs.”

Advanced audio codec’s like DTS HD Master Audio coming in a firmware update in May according to what Samsung says (quote)
“Samsung has told us that a firmware update to pass soundtracks in both of these lossless formats to a suitable A/V receiver, in bitstream form, is in the works. But it isn't due until May. The fact that it's still four months off suggests that a considerable amount of engineering is involved, and you can't always engineer to a deadline. Our experience with most manufacturers suggests that it's a dicey move, at best, to base a purchase decision on a promised delivery date for future vaporware.”

Firmware updates quotes
“With the constant flood of important firmware updates coming out for this and other players, a user should not be required to have an intimate grasp of computers—or any computer knowledge at all—to get his or her player up to speed. One obvious solution would be for manufacturers to keep buyers' info from warrantee cards on file and overnight an update disc to each customer. I'm sorry, manufacturers, if this sounds like too much trouble. But if you can't get the product working right out of the gate, or if a format is in constant flux, the consumer shouldn't be required to be a computer-geek and beta-tester to fix it. And if you expect high definition on disc to go mass market, this situation needs to be addressed—and fast.”


Some positive quotes

“It also properly de-interlaced 1080i material to 1080p, including recognition of 3/2 pulldown. 1080i isn't common on high definition discs, but you will find it on concert releases.”

” Disc loading times were comparable to the newest dedicated HD DVD and Blu-ray players I've tested. Short of Sony's PlayStation3 for Blu-ray (still the speed champ) you won't do much better. In one respect, however, the Samsung was very fast: its time from power-up to drawer-open was a swift 15 seconds.
But where the Samsung really excelled was in pure picture quality. The Samsung produced high definition images from both BD and HD DVD that were as good—and sometimes better—than those I've seen from high definition players dedicated to either format. The improvement was not dramatic, but in its color saturation, sharpness (without artificiality), depth, and overall image "pop" the Duo HD marginally beat out the Panasonic DMP-BD30 on Blu-ray and at least equaled the Toshiba HD-A35 on HD DVD”

“Conclusions
The Samsung BD-UP5000 is in many ways a superb high definition disc player—with arguably the best picture quality I've yet seen from high definition discs.
But it's a work in progress, with shortcomings that need to be fixed. Hopefully they will be, with future firmware. Internet reports also suggest that the problems we encountered were widespread, both before and after the update, and not simply indicative of a defective sample.
While I haven't yet found a completely bug-free Blu-ray or HD DVD player, I can't quite recommend the Samsung Duo HD as it currently stands, even apart from its inability to play back advanced audio. That conclusion may well change in the future, and I hope it does. Certainly we look forward to a follow-up to this report when Samsung has ironed out all the kinks. But with the market looking increasingly Blu, by the time we have the answers will we still be asking the questions? “
http://hometheatermag.com/discplayers/108sam5000/

Great device!! Whant it !!

[HDTV1080P]

Since BLU-RAY has won the format war, HD-DVD and dual format players will soon be going out of production. This list will now only cover BLU-RAY players and no more dual format players. The following dual format players have been removed from the list. There never was a dual format player released that did not have some type of problems.

UNIVERSAL (dual format) PLAYERS

LG BH100 (BLU-RAY and HD-DVD COMBO) Not a true HD DVD player since it does not support interactive HD DVD menu’s.

LG BH200 (Fully functional true combo player for both BLU-RAY and HD-DVD)
(PIP and BD-live fully compatible)

Samsung BD-UP5000 (Fully functional true combo player for both BLU-RAY and HD-DVD)
(PIP fully compatible)

Samsung BD-UP5500 (Fully functional true combo player for both BLU-RAY and HD-DVD)
(coming in the second half of 2008) (PIP fully compatible)

[HDTV1080P]

The Sony BDP-S350 and BDP-S550 have been added to the list. According to this link the players will be bonus view and BD-LIVE fully compatible.

Quote
“I have since found out that the Sony prototypes that were shown at CES will become the BDP-S350 and BDP-S550, and both will have Bonus View and BD-Live capability.”
http://www.bigscreen.com/journal.php?id=982

[HDTV1080P]

The new BLU-RAY player section is the best link I have seen about information on new players.

This new BLU-RAY player section is amazing with pictures. Players can also be sorted by regions all around the world. And the discontinued models are also listed. I am going to discontinue updating my link since this new section is much better. I can always post review links and information in the new player section of the forum. Also when I originally created my thread at BLU-RAY.com, the issue of 1080P/24 output use to be a issue but now every single BLU-RAY standalone player including the PS3 has 1080P/24 output. This 1080P/24 issue is a standard feature on all new BLU-RAY players.
https://www.blu-ray.com/players/

P.S.

Also I am glad the above link covers all players from around the world. I was only covering US made players in my link. The new player feature on this website is total awesome the way one can sort players by region A, B, and C, and all.

[gearyt]

can we go back to normal size fonts please....

[DaViD Boulet]

Guys,

I could use your help to figure out a feature that's not commonly advertised.

I specifically need a BD player that can force *all* video output to 1080p60 regardless of encoding type. This means BD menus, DVD, SD-bonus features on Blu-ray Disc, 1080i content and of course 1080p24 films.

I need this bcs my new JVC projector head only accepts 1080p60. Nothing else, and the Faroudja processor box won't *accept* 1080p60 and it's 1080i->p deinterlacing is pretty bad.

My PS3 won't deinterlace 1080i nor will it upconvert SD material on Blu-ray disc, so it's *really* difficult with some BDs (some aren't even watchable bcs their menus' don't display 1080p).

I'm hoping that the Panny BD30 might be able to scale EVERYTHING to 1080p60 with no exceptions. Help!

dave

[U4K61]

Originally Posted by HDJK

5x24=120 You can cover regular NTSC DVDs with 4 times the refresh rate plus 24P with 5 times the refresh rate with 120. What's bad about that?

Some sets don't convert 24fps to 120 Hz correctly. If we arrive at 120 by 5x24, it's 5:5, an integer multiple, we get what we are after. However if we produce 120 by 60x2 (really 30x2x2), then it's 4:6, a non-integer multiple of 24, producing the the same film judder as 60Hz 3:2.