Fifth Element (Best Version?)

[nagysaudio]

Originally Posted by Prof. Utonium

I didn't say the Sony transfer is great, rather that the Gaumont transfer is most likely not representative of how the film originally looked. My opinion is that the Sony transfer is closer in that regard.

I've seen a 35mm projection of The Fifth Element numerous times and can 100% assure you that Sony's transfer is not anywhere even close to being representative of what I saw, nor any 35mm film I've ever seen for that matter.

Does the Gaumont transfer look soft? Absolutely not! The over sharpened Sony transfer fools people during a screencap comparison. The Sony transfer looks like a video. One of those overly processed old HD transfers, full of EE in every shot, digital sharpening, etc. Once you see it, you cannot pay attention to the movie.

The color timing of the Gaumont release is dead accurate to my theater experience.

Sure, the whites are clipped a little, but it's miles better than the archaic Sony mess.

[nagysaudio]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

The U.S remastered version is flawed with EE and artificial sharpening, but I'd take a more detailed image like the U.S version over a flat soft conrast boosted DNR fest which destroys detail and texture.

The Gaumont transfer actually has a little bit more REAL detail. Unfortunately, you're just being fooled by Sony's EE and sharpening.

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by nagysaudio

The Gaumont transfer actually has a little bit more REAL detail. Unfortunately, you're just being fooled by Sony's EE and sharpening.

How does the Gaumont version have 'more' detail when multiple stars in the background of this picture for example are missing in the Gaumont version where as they are clearly visible in the U.S remastered version? - http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich

That's pretty aggressive DNR which is worse then the EE/sharpening on the U.S remastered disc.

and here's a picture showing just how overblown the contrast is on the Gaumont version as well - http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich

The U.S remastered version does seem to be the lesser of the 2 evils IMO..

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

How does the Gaumont version have 'more' detail when multiple stars in the background of this picture for example are missing in the Gaumont version where as they are clearly visible in the U.S remastered version? - http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich

That's pretty aggressive DNR which is worse then the EE/sharpening on the U.S remastered disc.

and here's a picture showing just how overblown the contrast is on the Gaumont version as well - http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich

The U.S remastered version does seem to be the lesser of the 2 evils IMO..

Buy the Gaumont (its cheap enough) and see for yourself. Screencaps are one thing, viewing is another.

[Lopan]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

maybe the forthcoming '4K' re-scan' bluray release will eliminate the edge enhancement ...

Speaking of, why not? They can call it the Give Me Some Heat Mon Edition or something like that.

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by Lopan

Speaking of, why not? They can call it the Give Me Some Heat Mon Edition or something like that.

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

The U.S remastered version is flawed with EE and artificial sharpening, but I'd take a more detailed image like the U.S version over a flat soft conrast boosted DNR fest which destroys detail and texture.

The U.S. version is not more detailed...unless of course halos designate "more detail" to you, in which case yes, it is more detailed.

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

The U.S. version is not more detailed...unless of course halos designate "more detail" to you, in which case yes, it is more detailed.

Did you not see the links I put up? Both are examples of how the DNR and contrast boosting of the Gaumont show significantly less detail then the U.S version. Missing stars and blown whites being the key points here.

For good measure here they are again:

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich



Yes the U.S version is overly sharpened and above all has separate problems of its own, but its clear which is more detailed.

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by JimDiGriz

Buy the Gaumont (its cheap enough) and see for yourself. Screencaps are one thing, viewing is another.

I agree that watching something in motion is always the ultimate deciding factor, but screencaps generally give a good idea on whats ahead and what I see is blown contrast and a lot of DNR.

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

Did you not see the links I put up? Both are examples of how the DNR and contrast boosting of the Gaumont show significantly less detail then the U.S version. Missing stars and blown whites being the key points here.

For good measure here they are again:

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich



Yes the U.S version is overly sharpened and above all has separate problems of its own, but its clear which is more detailed.

I have seen the Gaumont in motion. You have not. Be gone.

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

I have seen the Gaumont in motion. You have not. Be gone.

So I take it that you like movies looking 'squeaky clean' at the expense of fine detail then eh?

Watching it in motion could give fractionally better or fractionally worse results then the screencaps display, but either way you can't undo DNR of which the Gaumont is loaded with. You'd be delusional or ignorant to think it doesn't feature a hell of a lot of noise reduction (which I feel is a worse offender then digital sharpening.)

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

So I take it that you like movies looking 'squeaky clean' at the expense of fine detail then eh?

Watching it in motion could give fractionally better or fractionally worse results then the screencaps display, but either way you can't undo DNR of which the Gaumont is loaded with. You'd be delusional or ignorant to think it doesn't feature a hell of a lot of noise reduction (which I feel is a worse offender then digital sharpening.)

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ_ON...=youtu.be&t=6s

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

So I take it that you like movies looking 'squeaky clean' at the expense of fine detail then eh?

Watching it in motion could give fractionally better or fractionally worse results then the screencaps display, but either way you can't undo DNR of which the Gaumont is loaded with. You'd be delusional or ignorant to think it doesn't feature a hell of a lot of noise reduction (which I feel is a worse offender then digital sharpening.)

You cant comment really until you actually, you know, watch the Gaumont and compare.

When I actually watched the Gaumont (rather than some screen caps) what struck me was how the boosted look really suited the film. I doubt it would suit most films - but this film it certainly did. Its not supposed to be realistic!

[rljnunez]

Which releases contain the Gaumont transfer?

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by rljnunez

Which releases contain the Gaumont transfer?

The UK and French releases are probably the cheapest. The French is region free while the UK is Region B locked. The French disc has English DTS-HD High-Res while the UK has English DTS-HD MA.

[rljnunez]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

The UK and French releases are probably the cheapest. The French is region free while the UK is Region B locked. The French disc has English DTS-HD High-Res while the UK has English DTS-HD MA.

Ok, so do they both have the same transfer? If so, which one has the best audio? Or maybe I should hold off & get the UK steel book coming out in November?

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by rljnunez

Ok, so do they both have the same transfer? If so, which one has the best audio? Or maybe I should hold off & get the UK steel book coming out in November?

Same transfer and the audio is as previously stated. The UK is the best disc to get if you have a region free player.

[HD Goofnut]

Go for the Gaumont transfer if you want clipped whites, sunburned actors, and plenty of DNR. That's all there is to it.