Can't convince my friend that Blu is the way to go!!

[splax23]

I have a friend who recently purchased an Xbox 360 just because he thinks everyone has one and they are better than PS3. He is trying to tell me that it is better blah blah blah. He also just bought a brand new HDTV and I ask him well are you gonna use it to watch HD movies? He says "I'm just going to buy an upconversion dvd player. Blu-rays are too expensive and I have too many SD-DVDs". I told him why don't you just buy a BD player or sell your Xbox (that he doesnt use) and just buy a 40GB PS3. It has an upconverter and blu-ray all for about the same price or more as the Xbox and a new dvd player. Plus, it has more potential to grow and become and even better system than it already is.

It just felt like I was talking to a brick wall. I was getting pretty aggervated. Well sorry I just had to vent.

[glenn22]

Originally Posted by splax23

I have a friend who recently purchased an Xbox 360 just because he thinks everyone has one and they are better than PS3. He is trying to tell me that it is better blah blah blah. He also just bought a brand new HDTV and I ask him well are you gonna use it to watch HD movies? He says "I'm just going to buy an upconversion dvd player. Blu-rays are too expensive and I have too many SD-DVDs". I told him why don't you just buy a BD player or sell your Xbox (that he doesnt use) and just buy a 40GB PS3. It has an upconverter and blu-ray all for about the same price or more as the Xbox and a new dvd player. Plus, it has more potential to grow and become and even better system than it already is.

It just felt like I was talking to a brick wall. I was getting pretty aggervated. Well sorry I just had to vent.

It's an education process, have you had him over to play with your PS3? For some people that's all it takes. The difference in quality between the 2 systems is IMMEDIATELY apparent, and it doesn't take the XBOX's red ring of death to make that clear.

That being said, there are a lot more games out for Xbox than for PS3, and a lot more of them are mainstream titles. Once the PS3 gets more AAA titles he may come around.

[CptGreedle]

The way I see it, BD players will drop to around $100 by the end of the year and by then he will not be able to argue that he can't afford it. If he has an HDTV and a 360, he can get a BD player.
Tell him the prices have been dropping fast and will keep dropping, and that they will upconvert his DVDs as well. He can keep his DVD library and watch Blu-rays.

[splax23]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

Tell him the prices have been dropping fast and will keep dropping, and that they will upconvert his DVDs as well. He can keep his DVD library and watch Blu-rays.

Yeah I mentioned that to him and he said "when that happens I'll think about it". He kind of sounded like he regreted buying his 360 also which was a sign.

[Xerious]

i had the same problem... my friend's wife asked me what she should get him for christmas and i was like ps3 and then she asked him and he was like, i want an 360 because 'said friends' had cod4 and he wanted to play on xbl with them. needless to say, she got him the xbox.

a few days later he asks me if uncharted is on xbox. told him no. then he asked me if he could play hd movies on his xbox. told him only if he bought the add on or if he downloaded them from xbl, and only then they're only HD DVD or 720p. then he asked if he could get pirates 3 on it. told him, nope, disney is problu. then he asked how much psn was per year... i told him free. he got pissed.

next day his xbox controllers stopped working. then the hd/sd wires from the xbox clunked out. he had to go out and buy an hdmi cable. he finally had to return the whole thing and get a new console. i told him to wait a few months, he'll understand why i'm not so fond of the system.

[sphdle1]

If he's your friend, then invite him over to watch POTC3, Spiderman 3, and some other great Blu exclusive titles, then pop in a SD DVD(actually maybe do this first, then show the high-def stuff).

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

The way I see it, BD players will drop to around $100 by the end of the year and by then he will not be able to argue that he can't afford it. If he has an HDTV and a 360, he can get a BD player.
Tell him the prices have been dropping fast and will keep dropping, and that they will upconvert his DVDs as well. He can keep his DVD library and watch Blu-rays.

Not a chance.

[CptGreedle]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

Not a chance.

If you take into account that right now, players are already down to $250, dropping $150 in time for the holidays is NOT that far fetched. i am not saying the newest players will be that cheap, but some will be less than $200!
Look, there IS a lot of competition among BD player manufacturers (unlike HD DVD manufacturer) and that will drive down prices. Plus to get the general public to go Blu, they will need to fight against DVD and not HD DVD. DVD upconverters are cheap, between $50-$100. So if a BD player can get around $100, it will be in direct competition with DVD. In fact, as we saw with the HD DVD A2 firesale, it has already shown that it will sell very well at that price, even if it is just a sale.

Don't think you won't see a $100 BD player in time for the holidays.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

If you take into account that right now, players are already down to $250, dropping $150 in time for the holidays is NOT that far fetched. i am not saying the newest players will be that cheap, but some will be less than $200!
Look, there IS a lot of competition among BD player manufacturers (unlike HD DVD manufacturer) and that will drive down prices. Plus to get the general public to go Blu, they will need to fight against DVD and not HD DVD. DVD upconverters are cheap, between $50-$100. So if a BD player can get around $100, it will be in direct competition with DVD. In fact, as we saw with the HD DVD A2 firesale, it has already shown that it will sell very well at that price, even if it is just a sale.

Yeah, but the firesale might have done more harm than good as many on this forum have argued an infinite number of times. You don't want to give the appearance of firesale. The key point will be to have cheap players at $199 for the holidays. people will pay that for next-gen technology. they know it's better than up-converters. $100 is just too great a stretch and the blu-ray side just hasn't shown a tendency to price so desperately.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

If you take into account that right now, players are already down to $250, dropping $150 in time for the holidays is NOT that far fetched. i am not saying the newest players will be that cheap, but some will be less than $200!
Look, there IS a lot of competition among BD player manufacturers (unlike HD DVD manufacturer) and that will drive down prices. Plus to get the general public to go Blu, they will need to fight against DVD and not HD DVD. DVD upconverters are cheap, between $50-$100. So if a BD player can get around $100, it will be in direct competition with DVD. In fact, as we saw with the HD DVD A2 firesale, it has already shown that it will sell very well at that price, even if it is just a sale.

Don't think you won't see a $100 BD player in time for the holidays.

No way - except in the PC market. You will see $70 -$100 blu-rays for PC's they are already at 185.00 and falling fast - You will also see blu-ray burners at $150-210.00 why you say...Anydvd HD and the tons of authoring software out there. A few people have figured out how to make backup copies of Blu-ray (takes a bit of time but it has been done). Many PC people like the fact of placing their BD titles on TB harddrives and watching them from there - no getting up and putting disk in. They also remove advertising so they can go straight to the title. In the PC market BD prices will fall drasticly. The standalone market - unless Apex and others get in...look at prices around $200 - $235 around Christmas (no hd-dvd to kick around so manufactures will play it close - keep profits up while maintaining desire - computer people are a niche group). If Apex jumps in - you will have your first $150 -$100 BD standalone player.

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

Not a chance.

Seriously

I wouldn't assume BD player pricing is going anywhere anytime soon.

$349.99 to $500 is going to be the pricing on these for a while, the players will however improve in performance for the money you are paying.

Then in about mid 2009 you may start seeing $149-$199 players. And from there on they will be in the $100 ish range.

[Flux88MPH]

Originally Posted by BTBuck1

Seriously

I wouldn't assume BD player pricing is going anywhere anytime soon.

$349.99 to $500 is going to be the pricing on these for a while, the players will however improve in performance for the money you are paying.

Then in about mid 2009 you may start seeing $149-$199 players. And from there on they will be in the $100 ish range.

I am with you on this. Sony and the rest of the BDA has to get a return on their R&D before they will drop the prices on players. I'd say your pricing timeframe is probably dead on.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by glenn22

It's an education process, have you had him over to play with your PS3? For some people that's all it takes. The difference in quality between the 2 systems is IMMEDIATELY apparent, and it doesn't take the XBOX's red ring of death to make that clear.

That being said, there are a lot more games out for Xbox than for PS3, and a lot more of them are mainstream titles. Once the PS3 gets more AAA titles he may come around.

Agree, but I have always made the point that ONLY new games matter really. People really don't buy catalog games, at least not in great volumes. We've all seen several lists of upcoming games or The Best 50 Games for 2008.. well, these lists all pretty much show that the PS3 is on par or even slightly ahead looking forward.

I think by mid-year that will be all that people are considering. The big wall of games at GameStop really doesn't matter that much. Hot new titles and exclusives matters. Many of the 360's best socalled "exclusives" are FPS that are on PC as well and that does eat into their sales.

Think of it this way... a catalog movie is way more interesting than a catalog game if only because the old movie is still close in quality to a new movie while a game certainly isn't - yet, catalog movies really don't sell either. New stuff sells and old stuff doesn't. Size of the total library is irrelevant in every sense. Only the size of the future pipeline matters.

[Sylin]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

Size of the total library is irrelevant in every sense. Only the size of the future pipeline matters.

I respectfully disagree. Imagine buying a new PS3 and there's no games available in stores or on PSN. When you check out Playstation.com you see a big ad declaring, "Hey, but we've got 50 games coming later this year!" Doesn't exactly inspire confidence in your investment.

This is an extreme example, but yours was an extreme statement. Ever since the advent of the console, consumers gravitate toward the one with the biggest library. The only exception to this is the Wii, whose success can be attributed to its novelty, low price, and Nintendo's strong brand.

I'm not saying the size of the total library is the ONLY success factor, but it is hardly "irrelevant in every sense."

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by ikcizokm

I respectfully disagree. Imagine buying a new PS3 and there's no games available in stores or on PSN. When you check out Playstation.com you see a big ad declaring, "Hey, but we've got 50 games coming later this year!" Doesn't exactly inspire confidence in your investment.

This is an extreme example, but yours was an extreme statement. Ever since the advent of the console, consumers gravitate toward the one with the biggest library. The only exception to this is the Wii, whose success can be attributed to its novelty, low price, and Nintendo's strong brand.

I'm not saying the size of the total library is the ONLY success factor, but it is hardly "irrelevant in every sense."

Then why aren't they buying the PS2 more than anything else? Simple, because new games matter more. They buy the system with the best and most "current" and upcoming games, not past releases. Maybe when I say pipeline I should clarify that I am including current year releases. Just saying that people buying consoles in '08 aren't going to be too concenred about games from '06 & early '07.

[Sylin]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

Then why aren't they buying the PS2 more than anything else? Simple, because new games matter more. They buy the system with the best and most "current" and upcoming games, not past releases. Maybe when I say pipeline I should clarify that I am including current year releases. Just saying that people buying consoles in '08 aren't going to be too concenred about games from '06 & early '07.

Actually, PS2 sales are extremely brisk. Much more than they should be for a dated console. But I get your point and appreciate you taking the time to clarify. I think maybe what you were gunning for is that people buy the console with the most potential, in which case the PS3 is a great choice.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

Then why aren't they buying the PS2 more than anything else? Simple, because new games matter more. They buy the system with the best and most "current" and upcoming games, not past releases. Maybe when I say pipeline I should clarify that I am including current year releases. Just saying that people buying consoles in '08 aren't going to be too concenred about games from '06 & early '07.

Well as of July (I couldn't find anything more recent) the Wii was out selling the PS3 6 to 1 http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32730/102/, and PS2 was out selling the Wii!!! Gamers are differnent than movie buffs. PS2 is still the best selling console to date and people are still buying them. Best way for Sony to help the PS3 is to stop selling and supporting the PS2.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by splax23

I have a friend who recently purchased an Xbox 360 just because he thinks everyone has one and they are better than PS3. He is trying to tell me that it is better blah blah blah. He also just bought a brand new HDTV and I ask him well are you gonna use it to watch HD movies? He says "I'm just going to buy an upconversion dvd player. Blu-rays are too expensive and I have too many SD-DVDs". I told him why don't you just buy a BD player or sell your Xbox (that he doesnt use) and just buy a 40GB PS3. It has an upconverter and blu-ray all for about the same price or more as the Xbox and a new dvd player. Plus, it has more potential to grow and become and even better system than it already is.

It just felt like I was talking to a brick wall. I was getting pretty aggervated. Well sorry I just had to vent.

I'm sorry your friend is a MO MO but hey nobody's perfect

[davidPS3]

Originally Posted by splax23

I have a friend who recently purchased an Xbox 360 just because he thinks everyone has one and they are better than PS3. He is trying to tell me that it is better blah blah blah. He also just bought a brand new HDTV and I ask him well are you gonna use it to watch HD movies? He says "I'm just going to buy an upconversion dvd player. Blu-rays are too expensive and I have too many SD-DVDs". I told him why don't you just buy a BD player or sell your Xbox (that he doesnt use) and just buy a 40GB PS3. It has an upconverter and blu-ray all for about the same price or more as the Xbox and a new dvd player. Plus, it has more potential to grow and become and even better system than it already is.

It just felt like I was talking to a brick wall. I was getting pretty aggervated. Well sorry I just had to vent.

At least you tried. There are some good games out there on the 360 so he will have entertainment for sure. That is what gaming is all about, entertainment. If he is not big into movies and just a gamer, well, he should be ok. Besides, it's his money.

[mystiksuicide]

Originally Posted by splax23

I have a friend who recently purchased an Xbox 360 just because he thinks everyone has one and they are better than PS3. He is trying to tell me that it is better blah blah blah. He also just bought a brand new HDTV and I ask him well are you gonna use it to watch HD movies? He says "I'm just going to buy an upconversion dvd player. Blu-rays are too expensive and I have too many SD-DVDs". I told him why don't you just buy a BD player or sell your Xbox (that he doesnt use) and just buy a 40GB PS3. It has an upconverter and blu-ray all for about the same price or more as the Xbox and a new dvd player. Plus, it has more potential to grow and become and even better system than it already is.

It just felt like I was talking to a brick wall. I was getting pretty aggervated. Well sorry I just had to vent.

Give it up unfortunately he drank Microcraps Kool-Aid. Sometimes the effects last a lifetime even though the world is going to pass him by.