HDMI vs Component Cable - Page 3 - Blu-ray Forum

saginawjuggalo · 01-13-2008, 11:07 PM

The think the only differences you'll see between the two really come down to how your TV handles the inputs types.

My Panasonic Plasma is being feed by a Dish VIP622 and the two types are so close it doesn't even matter but on my friends LCD HDMI looks better.

Yes component cables can handle 1080p but hardly anything outputs it. I perfer HDMI because it simplifies everything but my two HDMI inputs are reserved for the important HD sources Blu-ray and HD DVD, so I use component for my Dish HD.

HDTV Cable/Satellite/OTA pale in comparasion to HDM, so I wouldn't worry to much about using component cables with your Comcast box

moviefan · 01-13-2008, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Alaskankaijudude

I have my HD cable programming via Component Cable. When I first got the HD programming that was my only option. I have a new cable box that does have HDMI output. Is it worth changing from Component to HDMI? I know that cable only broadcasts in 1080i. Besides being able to carry HD audio signals, is there any other difference between HDMI and Component? Does Component only carry 1080i? Thanx very much for any input.

Dan (still learning) M.

You didn't say if your receiver has HDMI inputs.
If it does, go all HDMI and get the best video and sound!

saginawjuggalo · 01-13-2008, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by moviefan

You didn't say if your receiver has HDMI inputs.
If it does, go all HDMI and get the best video and sound!

Why? He won't get lossless.. All he will get is standard Dolby Digital. Why would anyone want their receiver running all day long wasting energy for no benefit? He would get same SQ via Toslink and a lower energy bill. Now if he needed it as a HDMI switcher I could understand.

moviefan · 01-13-2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by saginawjuggalo

Why? He won't get lossless.. All he will get is standard Dolby Digital. Why would anyone want their receiver running all day long wasting energy for no benefit? He would get same SQ via Toslink and a lower energy bill. Now if he needed it as a HDMI switcher I could understand.

I'm no expert, but I believe HDMI will pass lossless via PCM.

crackinhedz · 01-13-2008, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by moviefan

I'm no expert, but I believe HDMI will pass lossless via PCM.

I think he might be refering to cable tv audio...no lossless.

saginawjuggalo · 01-13-2008, 11:45 PM

Currect, HDMI will pass lossless audio but not if there is non to begin with. Currently all HDTV Cable/Sat boxes only do standard Dolby Digital at best.

jcs913 · 01-14-2008, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by crackinhedz

so basically youre stating its not 1920x1080 progresive lines of resolution at the end of the tunnel??

If the signal is interfered with, No.

crackinhedz · 01-14-2008, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs913

If the signal is interfered with, No.

thats a mighty big "if"

jcs913 · 01-14-2008, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by crackinhedz

thats a mighty big "if"

Your right, but it is very hard to get a pure analog signal passed through many different pieces of electronics, especially with all the processing and scaling monitors, receivers and game systems impose. The most difficult, is to get a 1080P signal purely to a monitor. The video processing in most monitors these days, almost always scales the signal, which takes away from the purity. That is why, as you have said, HDMI is the real only way to go.

celsior360 · 01-18-2008, 01:16 PM

If my lcd tv only has a componet socket, do I still use HDMI use connect to my receiver, then use it componet to connect to the tv ? As I read this post, It mentioned that coversion from digital to analogue won't loose any data, or is it better just connect the componet directly from the player itself?

FirebrandX · 01-18-2008, 01:21 PM

I seem to recall (at least with my PS3), that you can only get BD movies to output in 1080p if you use the HDMI cable and that it will check whatever device its plugged into for a safety signal as an anti-piracy measure. Can someone else verify this?

EDIT: I found the note on this in the PS3 Instruction manual:

Copyright-protected Blu-ray video discs can ONLY be output at 1080p using an HDMI cable connected to a device that is compatible with the HDCP standard.

So there it is folks, your BD movies will only play in 1080p if you you use an HDMI cable... At least if you are using a PS3 that is.

mastergod7 · 03-19-2008, 07:31 PM

When it comes to Blu-Ray, If you dont have a full 1080p tv then its best to stick with component cables. HDMI will have a sharper image put it will come with a cost your picture will flicker a crap load. Hdmi deliveers an ucompressed image living your non 1080p tv to do all the work. Component cables deliver a compressed image meaning your tv really doesent have to do anything and you see a compressed version of the blu-ray. I have a PS3 for gaming I use an HDMI, for blu-ray I use component cables.

bigmark007 · 03-20-2008, 02:56 AM

What separates on HDMI cable from the next? I've always thought
digital is either on or not. You either got it or you don't, right?
Is the 1.3 version of HDMI for audio enhancements only?

Why does anyone pay more the $10 for an HDMI cable?

crackinhedz · 03-20-2008, 03:05 AM

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When it comes to Blu-Ray, If you dont have a full 1080p tv then its best to stick with component cables. HDMI will have a sharper image put it will come with a cost your picture will flicker a crap load. Hdmi deliveers an ucompressed image living your non 1080p tv to do all the work. Component cables deliver a compressed image meaning your tv really doesent have to do anything and you see a compressed version of the blu-ray. I have a PS3 for gaming I use an HDMI, for blu-ray I use component cables.

not really close.

all video found on Bluray is 'compressed'. Hence the use of compression codecs like AVC, MPEG2...etc

Uncompressed video would be to big to fit onto a disc. Has nothing to do with connections. If youre getting flicker from BD movies when using PS3 HDMI you most likely should turn off 1080p 24Hz.

settings - bd/dvd settings - bd1080p 24hz output (hdmi) - OFF

...or you just may need to calibrate your HDMI Input.

crackinhedz · 03-20-2008, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by crackinhedz

Should I use HDMI or Component Cables? Answer here...

cembros · 03-20-2008, 03:18 AM

nobody has pointed out the fact that component cables will not carry a 1080/24p signal but a hdmi will. To the poster above who uses component for his blu ray and hdmi for his gaming should, if his tv accepts 1080/24p, use component for his gaming and hdmi for his blu-ray. I assume he has a standalone player since i cant imagin how one would use both hdmi and component for the ps3

mastergod7 · 03-21-2008, 08:38 PM

Blu-ray movies do come in compressed formats but if you use an hdmi it will convert to uncompressed, learn your facts.

crackinhedz · 03-21-2008, 09:28 PM

the act of decoding inside the player into a 1080p image to be sent is the act of uncompressing. Yes digital is the complete image. And yes the Digital to Analog conversion needed for Component cable equates to loss of quality...but analog cable is still capable of 'uncompressed' information.

Component can deliver 1080p no problem.

"The various RGB (Red, Green, Blue) analog component video standards (e.g., RGBS, RGBHV, RG&SB) use no compression and impose no real limit on color depth or resolution, but require large bandwidth to carry the signal..."

since Bluray movies can only achieve 1080p using an HDMI cable, then I agree if you do not have a 1080p HDTV, then it doesnt matter. Slight quality advantage hdmi. If you have a 1080p HDTV, then HDMI is a no brainer.

crackinhedz · 03-21-2008, 11:05 PM

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nobody has pointed out the fact that component cables will not carry a 1080/24p signal but a hdmi will.

Component cable could carry a 1080p/24fps signal if the player could output it like that (was designed to)...and the TV mustbe able to accept 1080p/24 over the Component connection.

Component can carry 1080p 60fps...24fps is less information.

Rabidhunter · 03-22-2008, 02:12 AM

Yeah, wherever you can, use the HDMI, it makes a lot of difference. For my old CRT I used Monster THX cables from my Toshiba upconverting player. On the CRT, the components looked amazing. Once I got my LCD HDTV, I plugged in both to the TV to see if there was a difference. The picture over the component was horrible, the picture over the HDMI was much better (for an upconverting DVD player).

01-18-2008, 01:21 PM	#51
FirebrandX Junior Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Dallas, TX Blu-ray collection:48 Blu-ray reviews:4	I seem to recall (at least with my PS3), that you can only get BD movies to output in 1080p if you use the HDMI cable and that it will check whatever device its plugged into for a safety signal as an anti-piracy measure. Can someone else verify this? EDIT: I found the note on this in the PS3 Instruction manual: Copyright-protected Blu-ray video discs can ONLY be output at 1080p using an HDMI cable connected to a device that is compatible with the HDCP standard. So there it is folks, your BD movies will only play in 1080p if you you use an HDMI cable... At least if you are using a PS3 that is. Last edited by FirebrandX; 01-18-2008 at 01:31 PM.

03-19-2008, 07:31 PM	#52
mastergod7 New Member Member since:Feb 2008	When it comes to Blu-Ray, If you dont have a full 1080p tv then its best to stick with component cables. HDMI will have a sharper image put it will come with a cost your picture will flicker a crap load. Hdmi deliveers an ucompressed image living your non 1080p tv to do all the work. Component cables deliver a compressed image meaning your tv really doesent have to do anything and you see a compressed version of the blu-ray. I have a PS3 for gaming I use an HDMI, for blu-ray I use component cables. Last edited by mastergod7; 03-19-2008 at 07:36 PM.

03-20-2008, 02:56 AM	#53
bigmark007 New Member Member since:Mar 2008	What is the HDMI Difference? What separates on HDMI cable from the next? I've always thought digital is either on or not. You either got it or you don't, right? Is the 1.3 version of HDMI for audio enhancements only? Why does anyone pay more the $10 for an HDMI cable?

03-21-2008, 09:28 PM	#58
crackinhedz Super Moderator Member since:Feb 2007 Home Theater Gallery:10 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:19	the act of decoding inside the player into a 1080p image to be sent is the act of uncompressing. Yes digital is the complete image. And yes the Digital to Analog conversion needed for Component cable equates to loss of quality...but analog cable is still capable of 'uncompressed' information. Component can deliver 1080p no problem. "The various RGB (Red, Green, Blue) analog component video standards (e.g., RGBS, RGBHV, RG&SB) use no compression and impose no real limit on color depth or resolution, but require large bandwidth to carry the signal..." since Bluray movies can only achieve 1080p using an HDMI cable, then I agree if you do not have a 1080p HDTV, then it doesnt matter. Slight quality advantage hdmi. If you have a 1080p HDTV, then HDMI is a no brainer. Last edited by crackinhedz; 03-21-2008 at 10:57 PM.

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01-13-2008, 11:07 PM	#41
saginawjuggalo Power Member Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Saginaw, Michigan 4K collection:167 Blu-ray collection:2058 DVD collection:85 iTunes collection:1 Trading Score:2	The think the only differences you'll see between the two really come down to how your TV handles the inputs types. My Panasonic Plasma is being feed by a Dish VIP622 and the two types are so close it doesn't even matter but on my friends LCD HDMI looks better. Yes component cables can handle 1080p but hardly anything outputs it. I perfer HDMI because it simplifies everything but my two HDMI inputs are reserved for the important HD sources Blu-ray and HD DVD, so I use component for my Dish HD. HDTV Cable/Satellite/OTA pale in comparasion to HDM, so I wouldn't worry to much about using component cables with your Comcast box

01-13-2008, 11:45 PM	#46
saginawjuggalo Power Member Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Saginaw, Michigan 4K collection:167 Blu-ray collection:2058 DVD collection:85 iTunes collection:1 Trading Score:2	Currect, HDMI will pass lossless audio but not if there is non to begin with. Currently all HDTV Cable/Sat boxes only do standard Dolby Digital at best.

01-18-2008, 01:16 PM	#50
celsior360 Member Member since:Jan 2008	If my lcd tv only has a componet socket, do I still use HDMI use connect to my receiver, then use it componet to connect to the tv ? As I read this post, It mentioned that coversion from digital to analogue won't loose any data, or is it better just connect the componet directly from the player itself?

03-20-2008, 03:18 AM	#56
cembros Power Member Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray collection:456 Trading Score:4	nobody has pointed out the fact that component cables will not carry a 1080/24p signal but a hdmi will. To the poster above who uses component for his blu ray and hdmi for his gaming should, if his tv accepts 1080/24p, use component for his gaming and hdmi for his blu-ray. I assume he has a standalone player since i cant imagin how one would use both hdmi and component for the ps3

03-21-2008, 08:38 PM	#57
mastergod7 New Member Member since:Feb 2008	Blu-ray movies do come in compressed formats but if you use an hdmi it will convert to uncompressed, learn your facts.

03-22-2008, 02:12 AM	#60
Rabidhunter Senior Member Member since:Feb 2008	Yeah, wherever you can, use the HDMI, it makes a lot of difference. For my old CRT I used Monster THX cables from my Toshiba upconverting player. On the CRT, the components looked amazing. Once I got my LCD HDTV, I plugged in both to the TV to see if there was a difference. The picture over the component was horrible, the picture over the HDMI was much better (for an upconverting DVD player).

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