Road House 4K UHD (1989) (Arrow Films)

[DR Herbert West]

Leaks don't hurt.

[Ben_C]

Originally Posted by Ben_C

Arrow probably will give us a decent 4K release of Road House now that I finally gave up waiting and ordered the US release from the recent Vinegar Syndrome sale…

Guess I should have waited a little longer. Hey ho.

[starman15317]

Originally Posted by DR Herbert West

Leaks don't hurt.

Yes they do. For one thing, they'll probably hurt this artist's chance of working with Arrow again, even if that was their decision to share it.

[Markgway]

I came this close to buying the German edition...

Will wait.

[CreasyBear]

I'm plenty happy with the VS set.

[professorwho]

My personal theory as to how their (VS) HDR grades are so bizarre is that they do the initial grading in SDR rec.709, and then map it into HDR rec.2020, because the SDR BDs tend to look more "natural". Either that or they just like that style of grading. If my theory is true, I don't understand why they don't just grade in HDR rec.2020 first in Resolve and then use Dolby's tools to do a more accurate SDR tonemap. That would guarantee better results, but could change their workflow drastically, I guess.

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Originally Posted by professorwho

My personal theory as to how their (VS) HDR grades are so bizarre is that they do the initial grading in SDR rec.709, and then map it into HDR rec.2020, because the SDR BDs tend to look more "natural". Either that or they just like that style of grading. If my theory is true, I don't understand why they don't just grade in HDR rec.2020 first in Resolve and then use Dolby's tools to do a more accurate SDR tonemap. That would guarantee better results, but could change their workflow drastically, I guess.

I'm not sure, but a number of labels over the years have had their own style of grading that was unconventional to say the least. Thankfully it seems like more and more grading work is being outsourced to post houses who can seemingly do much better work. I recently watched VS's UHD of Showgirls and thought the grade was fantastic (although it might have been a pre-existing one); The Tenant seemed fine as well but I'm certain I've noticed plenty of strangeness in the others I have.

Now after looking at caps of the UHD and Blu-ray of Road House, I can believe that the HDR is some kind of afterthought. Look at this LOL: https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...03727&i=10&l=0

Maybe I should check out the accompanying Blu-rays in the VS UHD releases that I have. I may end up enjoying them more!

[nicwood]

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

I recently watched VS's UHD of Showgirls and thought the grade was fantastic (although it might have been a pre-existing one); The Tenant seemed fine as well but I'm certain I've noticed plenty of strangeness in the others I have.

Showgirls was modeled after what Paul Verhoeven supervised. Here’s what VS said at the time:

Furthermore, we’ve performed extensive exclusive restoration using the source files from Paul Verhoeven’s supervised colour grade to ensure a presentation which looks exactly as intended, but without any of the digital manipulation which has notoriously plagued other releases.

• Newly restored by Vinegar Syndrome from an existing director approved 4K studio master

[Rollo Tomassi]

[quote=Putin.][quote=JohnCarpenterFan]

Now after looking at caps of the UHD and Blu-ray of Road House, I can believe that the HDR is some kind of afterthought.

It's probably a matter of settings:

Whoa, why would you pick that forum name? For shock value?
JCF truly knows his stuff, so implying his settings are off is a rather hot take I'm afraid...

[Telemachus]

Finally, I stopped grabbing VS discs around the time this came out, seems like someone else always does it better

[Rollo Tomassi]

Originally Posted by Telemachus

Finally, I stopped grabbing VS discs around the time this came out, seems like someone else always does it better

If that were the case, where are the better releases of Southern Comfort, From Beyond and eXistenZ?

Just kidding! If eventually some other label releases Southern Comfort with a more neutral colour grading and all other stats equivalent to or better than the VS release, I'll prolly quadruple dip in a heartbeat!
The other two benefit from the hot look, IMO!

[Rollo Tomassi]

Originally Posted by Putin.

Yeah, Vinegar Syndrome is a sh it label. Hundreds or thousands of restored adult films, exploitation... Who needs them? Fu ck them.

While they only occasionally produce a release of a movie I do care about, their work is usually top notch (hot grading aside!)!

[dallywhitty]

I can't help but think about the artist's Facebook post. "I convinced then to use a clear slip sleeve." Did Arrow just ignore him? Lmao.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

I can't help but think about the artist's Facebook post. "I convinced then to use a clear slip sleeve." Did Arrow just ignore him? Lmao.

Wondering about that too ..Maybe there will be a store exclusive version or something. We'll see, official announcements and Arrow store listings should be posted in about 15 mins or so.

[Fat Phil]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

I can't help but think about the artist's Facebook post. "I convinced then to use a clear slip sleeve." Did Arrow just ignore him? Lmao.

Oh, yeah

Maybe they're punishing him for leaking the title. Taking away his beloved clear slip sleeve.

[Winslow Leach]

Road House is a towering cinematic achievement. I look forward to owning the 4K!

[Rollo Tomassi]

Originally Posted by teal no lies

Why is that bad?? At least they do not smother everything in a revisionist teal tint like Criterion.

Just now I'm watching VS's release of Southern Comfort, time stamp 14:00. The grading is all over the place looks to me like it's different in 4 consecutive camera takes of that scene. So yes, the grading requires some work!

[Rollo Tomassi]

Originally Posted by teal no lies

That is how it was shot it is authentic colour timing and it could be worse at least they never tealed it up.

I admit, that I wouldn't really know how the movie was shot.
FWIW, Discussions about "correct colour timing" are tedious endeavours, so whatever, I guess.
Still, VS releases are frequently reported exhibiting hot colour timing, so I'll stand my ground with my earlier statement.

[jordanjabroni]

Originally Posted by Putin.

Yeah, Vinegar Syndrome is a sh it label. Hundreds or thousands of restored adult films, exploitation... Who needs them? Fu ck them.

...but I thought they were officially the King of 4K?

[lazerface]

golly that artwork is rough, I'll stick with my VinSyn edition