If the rumor is true...

[stockstar1138]

There is nothing wrong with downloads, they have their place. There is something wrong with using downloads as a replacement to blu-ray and saying that blu-ray isn't needed and thats exactly what MS is doing.

[navyman]

Originally Posted by brett_day

steve jobs has ripped off more people than gates ever had. everday apple is being sued over copying or stealing someone elses technology

Right on the money. Steve jobs stole all of his ideas from xerox and their parc department. Ie the mouse and the gui.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by brett_day

then the same can be said for all other companies that chose to jump on the hd dvd bandwagon. why would the other companies who rely on hard media sales (like dvds) join the group with the all powerful microsoft if they thought all ms wanted to do was kill off physical media?

There have been many here that have asked the same question. It makes no sense why media companies would support HD-DVD, besides lucrative contracts like the one given to Paramount/Dreamworks.

[blu-rayfan101]

Wow this is getting off topic!

[OokieSpookie]

It is not true, they have denied it straight out multiple times and it does them no good.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by brett_day

then the same can be said for all other companies that chose to jump on the hd dvd bandwagon. why would the other companies who rely on hard media sales (like dvds) join the group with the all powerful microsoft if they thought all ms wanted to do was kill off physical media?

what other companies really jumped on the HD DVD bandwagon other than Toshiba?

Universal has always been close to MS.

Paramount/Dreamworks was paid big bucks.

other than that RCA dropped support after G1, Onkyo who hardly supported HD DVD, and venturer who probably got a lot of help from Toshiba.

WB had royalties in HD DVD, but they led to HD DVD to its death, because they had royalties in blu-ray too and knew that two formats wasn't a viable solution.

Everybody else was in the blu-ray camp.

Nobody besides MS and Toshiba ever really helped HD DVD that much or was a strong backer of the format.

[brett_day]

Originally Posted by blu-rayfan101

Wow this is getting off topic!

its always interesting to see where a thread will go once it gets going!

[OokieSpookie]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

There is nothing wrong with downloads, they have their place. There is something wrong with using downloads as a replacement to blu-ray and saying that blu-ray isn't needed and thats exactly what MS is doing.

The bottom line with downloads is this...
If I am going to download a less than perfect movie just to watch it I have countless ways and places to download them.

[pokerface]

Nice rant Blu-rayfan101, loved it. Im with u.

[brett_day]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

what other companies really jumped on the HD DVD bandwagon other than Toshiba?

Universal has always been close to MS.

Paramount/Dreamworks was paid big bucks.

other than that RCA dropped support after G1, Onkyo who hardly supported HD DVD, and venturer who probably got a lot of help from Toshiba.

WB had royalties in HD DVD, but they led to HD DVD to its death, because they had royalties in blu-ray too and knew that two formats wasn't a viable solution.

Everybody else was in the blu-ray camp.

Nobody besides MS and Toshiba ever really helped HD DVD that much or was a strong backer of the format.

the hddvd association was made up of the following companies

Toshiba,
Memory-Tech,
NEC,
Sanyo Electric
Hitachi
Microsoft

the full list can be found here

http://www.hddvdprg.com/eng/about/member.html

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by OokieSpookie

The bottom line with downloads is this...
If I am going to download a less than perfect movie just to watch it I have countless ways and places to download them.

I have to say though, having it be available to a console hooked straight to your TV via HDMI sounds like a pretty good option.

I will opt for this over downloading via PC/Mac.

Also, downloadable games (PS1, PSN) and music would be nice to have on a console hooked up to the TV.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by brett_day

the hddvd association was made up of the following companies

Toshiba,
Memory-Tech,
NEC,
Sanyo Electric
Hitachi
Microsoft

the full list can be found here

http://www.hddvdprg.com/eng/about/member.html

and none of those other than MS or Toshiba ever invested anytype of money into the format or ever came to its defense

You didn't even see Hitachi, Sanyo, etc. even release a player. I gotta ask what these companies even brought to HD DVDs table. Do you know?

[Krandor]

Downloads can only be a rental market until there is some standard format and distribution method for them. Right now they are tired to a certain hardware platform and that one only.

Even if blu-ray quality movies were available for download to purchase from Microsoft, would you buy a movie that way knowing it will only ever play on a Microsoft console (with no guarantees that when the next microsoft console comes out it will still be playable) and that it will never play on PS3 or a toshiba or anything else buy that microsoft console?

Downloads need to finish their "format war" before they are viable for buying products.

And let's not forget the advantage having a product in the store is. How many copies of games do you think sale because somebody is in wal-mart and sees the box and goes "oh - that looks cool". With downloads you totally lose that impulse buy. Same with movies - I am sure a lot of movies sell because people are looking and go "I didn't know that was out on DVD".

Products being displayed in a store is HUGE! Even if downloads start, it will be impossible for a while to replace that advantage and there will still be product in stores.

[Nerdkiller likes BD]

Originally Posted by X-Ninja

Bill Gates just ripped off Steve Jobs by making Windows. Apple OS's were out before Windows OS's. The only reason windows ever took off was because of the cheaper price and advertising.
Just like the X-Box, 360, and 720 (???) was.

He also ripped off apple with the zune, and the oragami.

Microsoft hasnt done a single good thing for the world, nor will that ever.

Well I believe that M$ is now trying to rip off this never released console:



Stick to computer software M$ and make it good.

[blu-rayfan101]

Originally Posted by Nerdkiller likes BD

Well I believe that M$ is now trying to rip off this never released console:



Stick to computer software M$ and make it good.

Very true but I think it will big a lot bigger than that If you have to download everything. LOL!

[X-Ninja]

Originally Posted by brett_day

fact: Microsoft was founded in 1975
fact: Apple was founded in 1976

fact: microsoft was popular because it was the better desgined system and ibm backed microsoft instead of apple

steve jobs has ripped off more people than gates ever had. everday apple is being sued over copying or stealing someone elses technology

fact: The first release of Windows was released in 1985
fact: The first Apple OS was released in 1984.

I dont beleive Steve Jobs ripped off anything at all. ...at least that comes to mind.
The IPOD isnt really a rip-off of anything. Its just a relatively bad quality (in my opinion) mp3 player.
The IPhone diddn't rip off anything either. If you can find me a mainstream touchscreen mp3 player phone with a large touchscreen and motion sensors, them maybe ill beleive you to some extent. But theres definately nothing mainstream that came out before it.
I also dont think apple gets sued very often due to copywright laws. The last case i remember was when they dropped the price of the iphone an insane amount only about 2 weeks after the release of the thing. I may be wrong though. I dont really follow how often companies get sued since... i really couldnt care less.
I dont mean to get in a fight or anything... I just love apple - hate microsoft.

Originally Posted by navyman

You know maybe I am wrong but aren't lower prices a good thing?

haha. Not if it means quality loss.
HD-DVD anyone?

[Colglizity]

Yeah, Microsoft doesn't know what they're talking about.... They're only the most powerful company in the world.... what do they know????

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by Colglizity

Yeah, Microsoft doesn't know what they're talking about.... They're only the most powerful company in the world.... what do they know????

Please elaborate why they are the most powerful company in the world.

They don't have the most money, they aren't the biggest, they don't have the greatest diversity of products? Please tell me how they are the most powerful.

[Colglizity]

They just are... deal with it.

[Krandor]

Originally Posted by Colglizity

Yeah, Microsoft doesn't know what they're talking about.... They're only the most powerful company in the world.... what do they know????

They are great and bundling stuff together to force people to use their products and have been sued over that.

They could very easily force people on the Windows platform to go to downloads only because they own that market so much.

They don't have the same power in the console market and trying to same kind of tricks that would work on Windows could backfire big time. In the console market people have options if they don't like the new 720. Most Windows users really don't have much of a choice. I hate Vista, but I know at some point I will have to upgrade even though I don't want to.