House: Two Stories (1986-1987) (Limited Edition)

[Wildcat2000]

Ok so are the couple of goofs posted on the other page the only apparent ones? I'm talking more specifically about the crew members arm.

If it's the only obvious one I don't care. Its kinda funny. Slight equipment/edge of set being visible does not bother me. I can't even tell in Sandy's living room.

I preordered the US set. I see someone got the other 2 to play on a PS3 but I didn't care much either way for the Horror Show or Part 4. Are they truly region free or just a stoke of luck PS3 is compatible?

[Rockercub]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

My problem with Hellraiser 3 was that there were constant shots obviously meant to be centered that were instead off to the right. Creepshow 2 didn't really have that feel for me, it mostly seemed centered (though others disagree) with some quick errors on the left. Hopefully this is more the latter than the former.

I eventually conceded on the Creepshow 2 thread, but I think I'm taking it back. I think it's off center. I have no idea how it got that way on the IP, but there's obviously something screwy going on at Lakeshore. Not to pick a fight with you, but just re-establishing my initial opinion. I'm not a huge House fan, but I had to pop over here after looking at the caps to see if anyone else noticed it. I feel bad for you guys.

[ThisKid]

Someone should find out the average space that gets added whenever Arrow gets a Lakeshore film with more image area.

That way a black cardboard sheet (measured properly for proper framing) can be placed on the TV to mask out the unnecessary information.

[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Japanese Blu-ray version & UK StudioCanal version of Hellraiser 3 did not have the problem the Arrow UK/US version had

US Image Blu-ray version & UK 88 Films version of Creepshow 2 did not have the problem the US Arrow version has.


Quick search shows nothing though for House. I'll just get the 4-disc UK set and call it a day, and try to find a zoom mode on my player or projector to fix the issue :/ Unlike the alternate Blu-ray versions of Hellraiser 3 and Creepshow 2, the DVD version is a massive step down from the Arrow version, so some sort of zoom or shift would be best fix.

Edit: if you do a 130% zoom cropped to 1.78:1, that appears to be the amount to get the height right. But to center, needs to be panned to the right a bit as well. I think most of that could be accomplished with a similar amount of zoom when zooming a nonanamorphic DVD to 1.78:1.

To match the Hellraiser III Studio Canal framing on my projector I did Zoom: 3, Vertical:-(down)6, Horizontal:-(to the left)30. (I wrote the adjustments on a note I put in the case)
(using this shot as reference: http://www.caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go...65296&i=11&l=0)

With the House disc in hand it would be simple to do likewise on most projectors with a properly-framed shot as a reference for the necessary adjustments. I'd probably use this shot: http://www.caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go...97706&i=10&l=0

[Amano]

Just looking at the capsaholic shots I don't like the black levels too much. Do you see really deep blacks? Everything looks a bit brightened up as well.

[painiac]

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

Crew member's arm:



Incomplete set:



Film equipment tends to show up every now and then on the left side of the image as do reflections of mics. A brick backdrop is seen behind the house in a pivotal scene making it obvious it was a set.

Nowhere near as many goofs as in Hellraiser III, although (of course) the composition really suffers due to the extra information at the side. The CAH comparisons may look better in some shots but it should be mentioned that in the ones that do, either the camera is moving or something is moving towards the camera.

yiiiiiikes

[shaysaysHAHA]

Originally Posted by mhb2862

It's similar to the Night of the Living Dead aspect ratio debate, except we can ask the director, and Romero has given his definitive answer on that one.

What was Romero's answer as to the NOTLD aspect ratio? I can't seem to find it online.

[shaysaysHAHA]

What is with Arrow and constantly messing up framing? I love them but quite a few of their higher-profile releases in the last couple years have had framing issues that they refuse to fix. B&BL, Hellraiser III, Creepshow II, and now this...
I know some think that maybe Lakeshore won't let them fix the issues. Well, if that is true, Arrow should not be licensing Lakeshore films and selling fans faulty products.

[Wildcat2000]

Again do these goofs bother people that much? The one with the arm is obviously annoying but the other stuff like bricks or equipment isn't that bad unless they stick out or linger on screen. A lot of movies have slip ups like this.

I don't have mine yet and I'm sure I'll be able to spot the differences because I've seen the movie so much it's ingrained in my mind but is it really filled with mistakes or are these just the worst offenders?

Matter of fact I've noticed the whole wall wobbles just before he opens the closet the first time that monster is revealed. It's especially noticeable since the shot has him turn back to open the door after the clock rings.

This can be seen in general on the DVD. Probably VHS too.

[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by Wildcat2000

Again do these goofs bother people that much? The one with the arm is obviously annoying but the other stuff like bricks or equipment isn't that bad unless they stick out or linger on screen. A lot of movies have slip ups like this.

I don't have mine yet and I'm sure I'll be able to spot the differences because I've seen the movie so much it's ingrained in my mind but is it really filled with mistakes or are these just the worst offenders?

Matter of fact I've noticed the whole wall wobbles just before he opens the closet the first time that monster is revealed. It's especially noticeable since the shot has him turn back to open the door after the clock rings.

This can be seen in general on the DVD. Probably VHS too.

The goofs are a symptom of the disease that is the misframing. If you know what to look for you don't need a goof in a shot to see that the compositions are askew and significant portions of image not intended to be seen are on display. Fortunately these Lakeshore titles are flat/matted, because I imagine if they were anamorphic scope we'd be seeing stuff like the first pressing of Criterion's Dressed to Kill, with apparently no means or inclination from Arrow/Lakeshore to address it.

[shaysaysHAHA]

Originally Posted by Wildcat2000

Again do these goofs bother people that much? The one with the arm is obviously annoying but the other stuff like bricks or equipment isn't that bad unless they stick out or linger on screen. A lot of movies have slip ups like this.

I don't have mine yet and I'm sure I'll be able to spot the differences because I've seen the movie so much it's ingrained in my mind but is it really filled with mistakes or are these just the worst offenders?

Matter of fact I've noticed the whole wall wobbles just before he opens the closet the first time that monster is revealed. It's especially noticeable since the shot has him turn back to open the door after the clock rings.

This can be seen in general on the DVD. Probably VHS too.

I can't speak to how noticeable the framing issues on this are in motion as I have only seen caps but they were really noticeable on Hellraiser III.

[Wildcat2000]

Well I have to admit I don't know much about ratios but if something is slightly off like the toilet being off center someone mentioned I think that's a pretty extreme nitpick.

Like I said I'm sure I'll spot the differences. Especially if they're as obvious as that arm but things being slightly askew is really not a problem imo.

I don't know about the other movies mentioned in this topic.

[KowalskiVideo]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I'm just saying it cannot be a coincidence they're all Lakeshore titles.

But the issue is not exclusive to Lakeshore titles, is it? Whats with Dillinger, is this a Lakeshore title? I mentioned it here (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=36) and you replied, but nobody else commented afterwards.

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go...=82091&i=0&l=0

[spawningblue]

Again, if this was Scream Factory people would be looking to burn those responsible at the stake until they had a replacement issued. Arrow seems to get away with this time and time again, and people just shrug it off as meh, seeing a grip in a shot once in a while isn't that big of a deal. The framing for the whole movie is off, it's noticeable, and it is a big deal! Hellraiser 3 definitely should have been re-issued, even more so considering it was a $100 for three films.

And I guarantee it has nothing to do with Lakeshore demanding they release their films with these misframings. That makes no sense, especially when no other release has had these issues. If Arrow preferred this wrong framing, or it's all they were given, they should have given fair warning, and at the least fixed the couple of shots with the stage or grips showing on screen. Scream re-issued Child's Play because the mono track was reversed, which I doubt many people even use, and Arrow can't re-issue these films that have obvious framing issues. It's just them being cheap!

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by Wildcat2000

I preordered the US set. I see someone got the other 2 to play on a PS3 but I didn't care much either way for the Horror Show or Part 4. Are they truly region free or just a stoke of luck PS3 is compatible?

Other people on this and other forums have confirmed all of the installments as region free. The prices of the US and UK sets are basically the same. Might as well get the UK set for the 2 extra movies.

[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by spawningblue

Again, if this was Scream Factory people would be looking to burn those responsible at the stake until they had a replacement issued. Arrow seems to get away with this time and time again, and people just shrug it off as meh, seeing a grip in a shot once in a while isn't that big of a deal. The framing for the whole movie is off, it's noticeable, and it is a big deal! Hellraiser 3 definitely should have been re-issued, even more so considering it was a $100 for three films.

And I guarantee it has nothing to do with Lakeshore demanding they release their films with these misframings. That makes no sense, especially when no other release has had these issues. If Arrow preferred this wrong framing, or it's all they were given, they should have given fair warning, and at the least fixed the couple of shots with the stage or grips showing on screen. Scream re-issued Child's Play because the mono track was reversed, which I doubt many people even use, and Arrow can't re-issue these films that have obvious framing issues. It's pure nonsense!

I like the idea that Lakeshore is monitoring these releases like a hawk and determined to nail Arrow to the wall if they're not misframed with the soundtrack area showing.

[NoirFan]

Were (UK-only Lakeshore titles) Frogtown and Hellgate also misframed? I can't bring myself to rewatch them to find out.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by NoirFan

Were (UK-only Lakeshore titles) Frogtown and Hellgate also misframed? I can't bring myself to rewatch them to find out.

Frogtown had the wrong aspect ratio, but the atrocious encoding tended to distract the eye.

[NoirFan]

^
Asumedly Arrow's re-release was not re-encoded? Not to get too off-topic, but the upcoming Cinespectral Mediabook will be 1:85 instead of Arrow's 1:78.

[HD Goofnut]

Now I am torn on whether or not I should get this set. I suppose I will wait and see if the price drops any further in light of the incorrect framing.