The Avatar Blu-ray Release Thread

[DRS]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Well I don't see how Star Wars is anti-handicapped people

Mr Plinkit pointed out in his excellent review a comparison with District 9. District 9 managed to potray the Prawns as three dimensional characters and never idealizes them. Yet by potraying them as three dimensional characters you can understand them and sympathize with there plight despite there ugly appearance. Thats not the case with Avatar. Cameron never tries to flesh out the Navi and show them as a complex culture. He instead simplifies them as stereotypical "Noble savages" that are all pure and good despite being naive. Had both sides been further humanized as they were in District 9 Avatar would have been a far better movie. As it is Avatar never rises above just being a really pretty effects show that rehases every trick in the book.

Also don't drink anything during the answering machine message from the "Center for culture guilt" cause you might spit it on your computer from laughing so hard. Brilliant review.

There was nothing Three Dimensional about the prawns. The whole movie was devoted to victimizing them in horrifying ways.

Just making them uglier (while still copping out and giving them cute googly eyes) doesn't make them deeper characters.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

You have a tendency to selectively read my posts that is maddening

You missed my point that it would have been easy to mine the unobtainium though horizonatal mining that would have not disturbed the Navi or home tree. Why didn't they do this? It would have benefited everyone. They choose to committ genocide against the Navi for pretty much no reason since there were clear other alternatives.

Also the movie gives a line at the end about Earth being a dying world but what exactly unobtanium does is never really explained.

If unobtanium really is nessesary to save Earth would that make the Navi evil for refusing to move and allow the humans to mine it?

Other than the tree and the people all dying cause it collapses from a giant hole under it. You realize that when you remove material underneath of something, you weaken the foundation that is above it. So yeah, sideways mining isn't going to work. It would lead to the same end as it did in the film.

And the Unobtanium was explained, it was a superconductive metal vital for Earth. And hey, it's not the Na'vi's fault that the Earth went to hell. They didn't influence it's decline and death. Human Beings took care of that all on their own. Just like we're currently doing now. So it's not an evil act.

[Beast]

By the way... everyone knows by now the connecting thread between Aliens and Avatar.

Anyone figured out the one between Terminator and Avatar as of yet?

[Freekman]

I liked the way my friend put it today. If there were millions of dollars worth of unobtanium right underneath a tree, my personal reaction would be to care less about the indigenous and blow that tree sky high. Sure, it's a heartless act, but my conscious would be cleared after a few weeks of being absolutely rich.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Freekman

I liked the way my friend put it today. If there were millions of dollars worth of unobtanium right underneath a tree, my personal reaction would be to care less about the indigenous and blow that tree sky high. Sure, it's a heartless act, but my conscious would be cleared after a few weeks of being absolutely rich.

Point of the movie
Freekman's head
Zoom!

[Astrakan]

Originally Posted by Freekman

I liked the way my friend put it today. If there were millions of dollars worth of unobtanium right underneath a tree, my personal reaction would be to care less about the indigenous and blow that tree sky high. Sure, it's a heartless act, but my conscious would be cleared after a few weeks of being absolutely rich.

That's pretty disgusting.

[Freekman]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Point of the movie
Freekman's head
Zoom!

Haha. I guess I'm just a hater. That's the strange thing about this release. I didn't enjoy the movie that much, but I'm so interested in the technical aspects of its making.

[Astrakan]

Originally Posted by Beast

By the way... everyone knows by now the connecting thread between Aliens and Avatar.

They do? What is it? Aside from space marine types and Sigourney Weaver.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Astrakan

They do? What is it? Aside from space marine types and Sigourney Weaver.

Corporation in both cases tries to take advantage of an alien culture and pays the price quite dearly.

[Freekman]

Originally Posted by Astrakan

That's pretty disgusting.

Well, not if only the tree was destroyed. I'm not talking about genocide or anything, just theft and destruction in a completely horrible way. But in all honesty, if I were actually in that situation, I'd side with the indigenous. I'm not that mean-spirited in real life.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Beast

Other than the tree and the people all dying cause it collapses from a giant hole under it. You realize that when you remove material underneath of something, you weaken the foundation that is above it. So yeah, sideways mining isn't going to work. It would lead to the same end as it did in the film.

And the Unobtanium was explained, it was a superconductive metal vital for Earth. And hey, it's not the Na'vi's fault that the Earth went to hell. They didn't influence it's decline and death. Human Beings took care of that all on their own. Just like we're currently doing now. So it's not an evil act.

Actaully horizontal mining happens today all the time without the ground collapsing. Its been used extensively. Do you really believe all mines go strait down? Again if it can be done today then with 150 years of tech advancements it should be even more possible for the humans of the future. I can't think of one logical reasoning that horizontal mining couldn't have mined the unobtainium without disturbing home tree.

Maybe Unobtanium was explained in the novel or something but in the movie itself it does not say what unobtanium does. Thats a fact. Your entitled to your own opinions not your own facts

It may not be the Navis fault that Earth went to hell but if you would allow millions of sky people to die just because you don't want to move when as is pointed out there are plenty of trees then the Navi would be committing genocide against the humans. This would make the Navi every bit as bad as the colonial

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Corporation in both cases tries to take advantage of an alien culture and pays the price quite dearly.

Plus the face huggers in tanks in the rear of one of the lab shots.

As for Terminator. Skynet was only possible because of a room-temperature superconductor. In other words, Unobtanium.

[DRS]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Actaully horizontal mining happens today all the time without the ground collapsing. Its been used extensively. Do you really believe all mines go strait down? Again if it can be done today then with 150 years of tech advancements it should be even more possible for the humans of the future. I can't think of one logical reasoning that horizontal mining couldn't have mined the unobtainium without disturbing home tree.

Maybe Unobtanium was explained in the novel or something but in the movie itself it does not say what unobtanium does. Thats a fact. Your entitled to your own opinions not your own facts

It may not be the Navis fault that Earth went to hell but if you would allow millions of sky people to die just because you don't want to move when as is pointed out there are plenty of trees then the Navi would be committing genocide against the humans. This would make the Navi every bit as bad as the colonial

Unobtainium is a superconductor. All you needed to know about it was to see it float. That should have told you everything you needed to know.

And its not just about the Tree. Its about the entire planet. The humans are mining what DOES NOT belong to them. They're disrupting something that they not only do not but also practically refuse to understand. They have no right to mine anywhere on the planet. Whether it be 10 miles away from Hometree, or directly underneath it.

[Astrakan]

Originally Posted by Freekman

Well, not if only the tree was destroyed.

It's still disgusting if that tree meant as much to those people as home tree meant to the Na'vi. You're saying it's acceptable for someone to destroy something someone holds near and dear, practically worships, just so they can make some money?

It doesn't matter if anyone dies, that kind of behaviour is still atrocious.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Actaully horizontal mining happens today all the time without the ground collapsing. Its been used extensively. Do you really believe all mines go strait down? Again if it can be done today then with 150 years of tech advancements it should be even more possible for the humans of the future. I can't think of one logical reasoning that horizontal mining couldn't have mined the unobtainium without disturbing home tree.

Did you miss the scans of hometree and where the Unobtanium is located.

There is no way to remove that much unobtanium without destroying Home Tree.

Maybe Unobtanium was explained in the novel or something but in the movie itself it does not say what unobtanium does. Thats a fact. Your entitled to your own opinions not your own facts

It's explained right in the movie. Might want to rewatch it again.

It may not be the Navis fault that Earth went to hell but if you would allow millions of sky people to die just because you don't want to move when as is pointed out there are plenty of trees then the Navi would be committing genocide against the humans. This would make the Navi every bit as bad as the colonial

They allowed them to mine other areas of the planet. We've already seen that.

It wasn't until they started moving in on their land and killing their people that things went bad.

And it's Earth's Fault that it's in the situation it's in. It's not like Earth is gonna fix it's problems just by destroying another world.
It's silly to expect them to move simply because you want their land. I guess if I want my neighbor's land he should just give it to me.

[Freekman]

Originally Posted by Astrakan

It's still disgusting if that tree meant as much to those people as home tree meant to the Na'vi. You're saying it's acceptable for someone to destroy something someone holds near and dear, practically worships, just so they can make some money?

It doesn't matter if anyone dies, that kind of behaviour is still atrocious.

And as I said, I definitely wouldn't actually do that if I were in that situation. The idea was so atrocious to begin with, it seemed almost humorous at first. Then again, that is the whole point of the film.

[Beast]

Fitting:

"Beware the beast man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him, for he is the harbinger of death."

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Freekman

And as I said, I definitely wouldn't actually do that if I were in that situation. The idea was so atrocious to begin with, it seemed almost humorous at first. Then again, that is the whole point of the film.

The point of the film to me is greed and sloth drove humans to destroy Earth so they sent mercenaries to find unobtanium and decided destroying another planet was okay. Another point of the movie was the Na'Vi loved and protected everything on Pandora and when the climactic battle went down, the lifeforms on their planet turned the tide and drove the mercenaries off their planet.

[Freekman]

It's basically meant to show us how we are becoming more destructive to ourselves over time and could end up doing heartless things if we continue being greedy. It's like a 3-hour long PSA to humanity.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Freekman

It's basically meant to show us how we are becoming more destructive to ourselves over time and could end up doing heartless things if we continue being greedy. It's like a 3-hour long PSA to humanity.

Yeah and in that way I can see how a lot of people thought it was a preachy environmentalist movie but it just entertained me and even dazzled me a bit.