Heat 4K UHD (1995)

[Ray Jackson]

Originally Posted by Scarriere

I can't wait to hear the bank heist in Atmos.
The gunfire echos off the buildings are gonna be insane!

Cause that scene has a GREAT ATMOS!!!!

...and you got your ears all the up it!!

[LexInHD]

The Heat shootout was originally supposed to be a reference-grade surround sound showcase, but Mann realized that the sound stems they had for gunshots were nowhere near as powerful as the sound recording during the production of the scene, due to the fact that the bullets were full-load blanks (that means with all the power of a real bullet, just no projectile) and the reverb from the surrounding buildings gave it a flavor that a synthetic sound-effect couldn't do at the time, so he went with the recorded audio from the on-set recorders.

[fuzzymctiger]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

The Heat shootout was originally supposed to be a reference-grade surround sound showcase, but Mann realized that the sound stems they had for gunshots were nowhere near as powerful as the sound recording during the production of the scene, due to the fact that the bullets were full-load blanks (that means with all the power of a real bullet, just no projectile) and the reverb from the surrounding buildings gave it a flavor that a synthetic sound-effect couldn't do at the time, so he went with the recorded audio from the on-set recorders.

Even if it’s not reference grade surround sound, it’s still absolutely reference grade sound.

Saw the 4K DCP in cinemas and the sound blew my head off in this scene, loudest moment of any film I’ve ever seen in cinemas, absolutely incredible

[vailsy]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

The Heat shootout was originally supposed to be a reference-grade surround sound showcase, but Mann realized that the sound stems they had for gunshots were nowhere near as powerful as the sound recording during the production of the scene, due to the fact that the bullets were full-load blanks (that means with all the power of a real bullet, just no projectile) and the reverb from the surrounding buildings gave it a flavor that a synthetic sound-effect couldn't do at the time, so he went with the recorded audio from the on-set recorders.

it seems you know / are confirming this with your post but yes the reverbs absolutely. the core unreflected close shots are sound design reinforcement though

the combination of the two is why that particular shoot out is outstanding still nearly 30 years later. the only thing that even comes close in my opinion is the dark knight. also no country for old men. Narc was also pretty good i thought. maybe there is a more recent movie that stacks up .. so many war movies recently and in those the quality often gets lost with the quantity so you miss the overall dynamic of having just a couple of really well done major shootouts across an entire movie

I would say Heat can sound good in atmos as long as they keep it simple. i don't know much about the format tbh so I could be talking rubbish but it seems easier to separate vertically than it would be front-behind since you can be more subtle. anyway lets see, probably they'll screw it up somehow ! hope not though

[ryantoyota]

Originally Posted by vailsy

I would say Heat can sound good in atmos as long as they keep it simple. i don't know much about the format tbh so I could be talking rubbish but it seems easier to separate vertically than it would be front-behind since you can be more subtle. anyway lets see, probably they'll screw it up somehow ! hope not though

From what I understand, Atmos doesn’t just add a vertical slider or something of that sort. Any sound object that you want to add height to (or move up vertically) has to be pulled out of the mix as its own discrete object and then be positioned at a precise point in 3D space around the listener. I would imagine it would be difficult to try and isolate the right parts of the reverb to get it to sound correct (as ideally you'd want some of the reverb to be coming from this direction and some from that direction, etc.), but who knows, maybe it’s much easier than I’m imagining.

[dontpokethebear3893]

I have seen the UHD streaming version. Very disappointed when compared to the old Blu Ray. Colors just seem way off and HDR barely is there. If this UHD disc release isn't a complete 180 I will be furious.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by dontpokethebear3893

I have seen the UHD streaming version. Very disappointed when compared to the old Blu Ray. Colors just seem way off and HDR barely is there. If this UHD disc release isn't a complete 180 I will be furious.

Which old Blu-ray? Cause the primaries on the definitive one are way off. At least that's what I suspect.

[OutOfBoose]

Colors on the streaming look the closest to 35mm print examples that were floating around. Warms are much better defined and it's not as saturated and tealed as the new "definitive" BD.

[Dino-Killer 912]

I saw somebody changed the disc number to three, so - has it been confirmed that the UHD release will retain the bonus disc from the Director's Definitive Edition Blu-ray?

[AlexMcL]

Originally Posted by Alister_M

The Star Wars transfers aren't really Disney's fault, they were done for 3D conversions which never happened, so the DNR was most likely done for that reason. On the other hand, they definitely seem to have been responsible for the added DNR on a few of the Marvel 4K transfers.

Disney just releasing pre-existing transfers when they own the entire franchise and have the original negatives in their possession does mean it's their fault. Slapdash work makes it their fault. No excuse with such a beloved franchise either.

[danman227460]

Someone can correct me but doesn't Lucas still own all the negatives and he has final say in how it is to be done?

So if that is true, even if Disney wanted to fix it, Lucas can go nope. This isn't how it is done and you can't do it this way.

Originally Posted by AlexMcL

Disney just releasing pre-existing transfers when they own the entire franchise and have the original negatives in their possession does mean it's their fault. Slapdash work makes it their fault. No excuse with such a beloved franchise either.

[MrEWhite]

Originally Posted by danman227460

Someone can correct me but doesn't Lucas still own all the negatives and he has final say in how it is to be done?

So if that is true, even if Disney wanted to fix it, Lucas can go nope. This isn't how it is done and you can't do it this way.

He has nothing to do with Star Wars now

[Rizor]

Originally Posted by danman227460

Someone can correct me but doesn't Lucas still own all the negatives and he has final say in how it is to be done?

So if that is true, even if Disney wanted to fix it, Lucas can go nope. This isn't how it is done and you can't do it this way.

It's likely Lucas has approval over new transfers of the movies he made. It's fairly common for big name filmmakers. Like how Spielberg always seems to be approving a new transfer of one his movies every few years or how James Cameron's movies are in limbo because he's too busy to approve transfers. Filmmakers are usually brought on board and consulted for new restorations/remasters even if there's no legal reason. Considering what a control freak Lucas is, I'd be surprised if they did anything new with the OT/PT without his approval. The new 4K releases are from the last round of transfers he supervised in 2012. Might have been laziness on Disney's part, but it's also the last version Lucas signed off on. It's often been cited how they needed his personal approval to show the original version of Star Wars at a 2019 Academy screening. We don't really know the terms of Lucas selling off Star Wars to Disney. And even if there isn't something legally binding, they will probably want his involvement even as a formality. They still ask him to consult the new writers/directors of the Disney Star Wars films and he'll occasionally drop by the sets and they screen the movies for him. So it's not like he wants nothing to do with Star Wars.

[aggie113]

F'
This will be a triple dip for me :/

[Dubliner1]

Originally Posted by MrEWhite

He has nothing to do with Star Wars now

...Star Wars has nothing to do with Star Wars now either...

[babyj]

Been checking every day for a preorder. A bunch of 4k discs releasing after this are already available for preorder so hopefully we get something soon.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Dubliner1

...Star Wars has nothing to do with Star Wars now either...

Disney Star Wars has some plot issues but they're a hell of a lot closer to "Star Wars" of our youth than the prequels were.

[Hellboy]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Disney Star Wars has some plot issues but they're a hell of a lot closer to "Star Wars" of our youth than the prequels were.

Couldn’t disagree more with this statement, respectfully. Love them or hate them the PT at least tried to do something new and had a clear direction with it’s narrative. It had all of Lucas’s trademark touches with the story parallels, brilliant ship designs and compelling world building. All of which were absent in the sequel trilogy which simply recycled what came before it and failed to develop it’s new characters in a natural way. Kids who grew up SW fans with the Prequels love them the same way most of us loved the OT. Kids who are growing up in the Disney era of SW films love The Mandalorian and have largely forgotten the sequel trilogy already.

[Riddler The Slag]

So this is still happening right?

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Hellboy

Couldn’t disagree more with this statement, respectfully. Love them or hate them the PT at least tried to do something new and had a clear direction with it’s narrative. It had all of Lucas’s trademark touches with the story parallels, brilliant ship designs and compelling world building. All of which were absent in the sequel trilogy which simply recycled what came before it and failed to develop it’s new characters in a natural way.

Guess it depends on what you're looking for or something, I dunno. I grew up on the originals, watched the prequels with borderline disgust at the time. I've grown to accept them more, but I still think they're bad and nothing like the original's junk future aesthetic and character driven story. They're clean and cartoony and very plot driven. In contrast I sat down for Force Awakens and thought that while it wasn't anything super special, at least it felt like Star Wars. Rogue One and Solo do even more, and are quite good IMO.