Jurassic Park Collection 4K UHD (1993-2015)

[davidsal]

I'm not an expert, and I'm watching on a laptop, but to me it looks way better. No sign of DNR, more pleasing, film like image. Even more detail. Have to watch it at home in my projector to compare it better. But I'm keeping the preorder for now,

[Kyle15]

We really really need caps

[aladdin123]

Originally Posted by PonyoBellanote

I would so, honestly. I totally would love an scenario where majors start to edit their own titles in a similar way to boutique labels (in their own way) and reissuing discs with new improved encodes, fixes, extras, Dolby Vision support, etc, rather than just the same old disc sold 3000 times.

I've noticed this trend, Lionsgate is doing it (though they're doing it the same way Sony or others do, limited expensive editions, no standards..).. Universal is starting to do it (so far, Shaun of the Dead and JP; we'll have to see if they do it more).. I don't recall if others are doing it. Warner is also putting out more ''original mixes''.. Universal has added DV, better encode, master fixes, but it'd be nice if they started adding original mixes in lossless too. Jurassics offer lovely Atmos mixes, but none of the original stereo or 5.1 mixes.

I mean, do I hate double dipping? Yes. Specially. But I hate it even less if they bother to add lots of improvements and incentives - so long as there's not already a almost definitive version out there, and the new additions isn't just an extra or two more.

Sony is by far the studio label that does the most reissues adding Dolby Vision and better encoding, sometimes they even sneakily add the original audio track too. Universal is only getting started. Warner is easily the laziest studio label, even Disney has started to embrace Dolby Vision, which is already a good thing (I know this is not the same thing as reissuing older titles but now including Dolby Vision). I think that such reissues will become more common as the years pass, same for licensing to boutique labels. We could see down the line, many years from now, Arrow releasing improved UHDs of truly big titles that today are unthinkable and that major studios have already released themselves. Imagine if Arrow someday gets their hands on Blade Runner, maybe 10 or 15 years from now. Random thing: Paramount is thankfully opening up to licensing to UK labels, such as in the upcoming UHD of High Noon by Eureka, which should easily beat Kino's.

[jpanimation]

Ok, watched a little of the 4k version and its seems like no increase in detail. Any dirt or specs are still there. I believe you're paying for the magenta removal and Dolby Vision

[aladdin123]

Originally Posted by jpanimation

Ok, watched a little of the 4k version and its seems like no increase in detail. Any dirt or specs are still there. I believe you're paying for the magenta removal and Dolby Vision

Even if it's only that, it would already be a welcome and major improvement

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by aladdin123

The transfers in Hitchcock's first volume are indeed very good, same for the encoding. And I agree that there are titles that would certainly need much more a new disc (Scarface comes to mind, the transfer is very good, but the encoding struggles in the busiest scenes). I agree that Universal is only starting to dip their toes into adding Dolby Vision to older 4K masters and making new discs for them, hence why I don't think that we should expect a new release of the Hitchcock Volume 1 4K titles in Dolby Vision anytime soon (hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it only happens next decade). That said, I think we'll slowly see more and more of these Dolby Vision remasters from Universal. There are only so many times you can re-release the same disc in a different packaging if you want to keep selling and earning money from that title in physical media, especially with physical media being as niche as it is.

Tons of streaming titles are in Dolby Vision from multiple studios that are just HDR10 on disc though. It's been that way since the beginning, especially with studios like Disney. Most studios author their titles in DV at the mastering stage and derive a HDR10 version from those for discs (and some streaming services) and the DV version goes to the streaming services. This is why Sony's steelbook titles reissued with DV aren't usually remastered. They just add back the DV information they left off as a MEL layer.

[Darth Marcus]

Watched the updated Apple DV version (dig site scene) on my iPad Air 11, and while I can’t take screenshots the image looks…. pretty damn healthy to my eyes. Detail is nice and healthy, and if grain management is there it’s minimal as best. Maybe some slight edge enhancement here and there? But again, nothing egregious stands out to my eyes.

[aladdin123]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Tons of streaming titles are in Dolby Vision from multiple studios that are just HDR10 on disc though. It's been that way since the beginning, especially with studios like Disney. Most studios author their titles in DV at the mastering stage and derive a HDR10 version from those for discs (and some streaming services) and the DV version goes to the streaming services. This is why Sony's steelbook titles reissued with DV aren't usually remastered. They just add back the DV information they left off as a MEL layer.

I don't think you paid full attention to my post. I said that the Volume 1 Hitchcock titles are only HDR10 on disc, but HDR10+ on streaming, not Dolby Vision. The Volume 2 and 3 discs are indeed Dolby Vision in streaming, which is normal, as you said. You also should have seen my original post.

Originally Posted by aladdin123

I'm starting to wonder if there is the possibility that Universal would "redo" the masters of the Hitchcock movies from the first 4K boxset. Why? Not just because the discs don't have Dolby Vision, but because they are HDR10+ on streaming. The other volumes also don't have Dolby Vision on disc, but they have it on streaming. And when one also considers that the first volume has by far the most iconic Hitchcock films that Universal owns (Read Window, Vertigo, Psycho and The Birds, three of these are among the four most popular Hitchcock films, period, only missing North By Northwest, which Warner owns), I'm starting to think there's a real possibility that someday, even if it takes many years, it will get a release with Dolby Vision and maybe some tweaks to the HDR gradings too if Universal wants that.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by aladdin123

I don't think you paid full attention to my post. I said that the Volume 1 Hitchcock titles are only HDR10 on disc, but HDR10+ on streaming, not Dolby Vision. The Volume 2 and 3 discs are indeed Dolby Vision in streaming, which is normal, as you said. You also should have seen my original post.

All I'm saying is streaming versions are their own thing and whether discs are remastered are at the studio's whims.

[aladdin123]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

All I'm saying is streaming versions are their own thing and whether discs are remastered are at the studio's whims.

I know that. I thought about those Volume 1 Hitchcock 4Ks because Jurassic Park was HDR10+ on streaming too. Also, the transfers of those Hitchcock movies are very good, they don't need to be redone. The most I can see Universal doing if they give them Dolby Vision (which they don't have, even in streaming), which I think could still take many years to happen, is subtle tweaks in the HDR grade here and there, if that, as you only need to add dynamic metadata to have it be Dolby Vision. The grade is the grade, regardless of the metadata. Universal seems to be at the very least starting to dip their toes in doing re-releases with Dolby Vision on disc.

[Kyle15]

Garlic Bread

[Captain Keen]

So is the “new” version only available on Apple right now or is it also MA/VuduFAH?

[aladdin123]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

Garlic Bread

What do you mean?

[Jumpman]

Originally Posted by Captain Keen

So is the “new” version only available on Apple right now or is it also MA/VuduFAH?

Only Apple at the moment. FAH hasn’t updated theirs yet. Have no clue about MA.

[Darth Marcus]

Jurassic Park III in DV looks fine. Not as good as JP, and I admittedly haven’t watched the film since the DVD era, but I’ve seen other screencaps for it since then and it looks improved to my eyes without having completed a direct technical comparison.

[StingingVelvet]

DV by itself does not make the changes people are talking about here. On a TV with high brightness and good tone mapping DV barely makes a difference, let alone the changes people are saying. If the Apple version looks that different then Universal did further work on it.

Honestly just toning down the DNR on effects shots would get me to buy it again.

[samuelkhan999]

Peeps. Thanks for waiting. I am also attaching the VHS pictures as I recently got hold of the VHS for like a quid. Also I want to assess if the VHS is open matte all the way or open matte/pan and scan.

I can't seem to notice much between the 4kBD and iTunes. Somehow the iTunes does seem a bit grainier.

Equipment used -
Hisense 65U8K
Pansonic UB820 - Filmmaker mode/DTS X
Apple TV4k 3rd generation via ethernet - DV/DA
Panasonic DMR EZ49V - Filmaker mode/Dolby Surround

Interesting to note the surveillance monitors and seismic monitor in JP are from Panasonic.

[samuelkhan999]

I'll add another image for all formats once my 2 year old finishes Trolls World Tour

[aladdin123]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

DV by itself does make the changes people are talking about here. On a TV with high brightness and good tone mapping DV barely makes a difference, let alone the changes people are saying. If the Apple version looks that different then Universal did further work on it.

Honestly just toning down the DNR on effects shots would get me to buy it again.

I think you meant "does not" instead of only "does" when you wrote "DV by itself does make the changes people are talking about here".

[samuelkhan999]

4K BD images