Jurassic Park Collection 4K UHD (1993-2015)

[TravisTylerBlack]

Going back and forth this afternoon between the new DV stream (via Ethernet on my Apple TV) and the original HDR10 disc. FWIW both viewing modes are calibrated for accuracy down to the individual color point.

Sad to say, this is definitely not a new scan. Also not seeing anything close to the color difference JPanimation’s phone pics exhibit. There’s some mild refinement here but IMO it’s so restrained that only the most discerning will notice.

The DV layer will, of course, offer superior tone mapping. Especially those with displays on the dimmer side. So that’s always a plus.

Will be interested to see if others here feel the same.

[motorheadache95]

What scenes did you check? Some looked pretty similar to me, but some were quite noticeable. The opening scenes in the Badlands and the T-Rex / Nedry scenes at night look a lot better on the new grade. I only spot checked a few minutes worth of footage though.

[The Rider]

Apart from the error in the gamma value, the magenta tint, I hope that the color grading is now a little warmer.

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A little more cyan in the night scenes is also welcome, as well as more film grain of course.

@motorheadache95, can you say something about the finale at the visitor center? On the 35 mm prints it was with a clear color differentiation and an overall golden look, but on all home video releases there was a strong magenta tint.

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What about this scene? The 2D Blu-ray Disc and Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc had too much magenta, the 3D Blu-ray Disc too much teal.

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Is the sky finally blue again?

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[TravisTylerBlack]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

What scenes did you check? Some looked pretty similar to me, but some were quite noticeable. The opening scenes in the Badlands and the T-Rex / Nedry scenes at night look a lot better on the new grade. I only spot checked a few minutes worth of footage though.

I guess noticeable is subjective. The pink push in the badlands scene is marginally scaled back. But, once again, to my eyes not at the same level JPanimation’s phone shots demonstrate. IMO it looks like a basic gamma adjustment.

Will definitely take a look at the T-Rex sequence tonight once I can properly evaluate in total darkness. My color perception could also be slightly off due to some pesky sunlight sneaking in through the curtains. lol

Calibration disparity between respective viewing modes + individual display capabilities will obviously play a role in what people are reporting. My Bravia has excellent tone mapping but someone with a newer OLED may see additional chroma info that’s getting clipped on my end.

Also, default Dolby Vision settings often lean on the cooler side. Even bumping the contrast up a few notches can make whites look artificially more pure.

Personally I was hoping for a fresh re-grade more in line with the warm look of 3D disc. No matter how we decide to spin these newest DV tweaks though this definitely is not that.

[Markgway]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I felt like this in return.

My 13-year-old self jumped at that bit in the cinema.

[KMFDMvsEnya]

Strings in that shot are still visible on the HD SDR stream.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

Can you read the room? We're on the edge of our seats and wait to finally learn if it's indeed a new scan or not, and you come here with a few ugly screenshots of an entirely different thing.

You okay?

Well, another enlightening post of yours.

LOL those ugly 'screen shots' are extremely close to what a 35mm print of the film actually looked (looks) like. Yes, I know people are desperate to see whether the new one is different or not but people had at least claimed to care about matching more the original, theatrical look/framing, but I guess it was just more 300 pages of complaining for complaining's sake based on nothing, ala typical internet.

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW

LOL those ugly 'screen shots' are extremely close to what a 35mm print of the film actually looked (looks) like

Just a friendly reminder: you're talking about the thing below.

Again: is everything okay?

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by The Rider

What about this scene? The 2D Blu-ray Disc and Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc had too much magenta, the 3D Blu-ray Disc too much teal.

I don't know that the 3D one does have too much teal there. Not the same scene, but a similar night interior scene on 35mm I see now actually is quite teal TBH. But then again really need to compare that exact scene as the night blues do go all over scene to scene, some full on teal, some purple lilac blue and anything in between. I believe those later interior night scenes do tend to be mostly rather teal though.

Is the sky finally blue again?

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It's not actually supposed to be blue for this scene. The 3D colors are overall more accurate. It's sort of a pale, slightly, slightly yellow magenta tinted sky on the 35mm and the grass isn't as blue green as on the UHD either. That said, the 3D blu-ray (at least not wearing 3D glasses) is a bit too magenta tinted for sky and grass and the sky a touch too saturated. Overall the 3D one still has a closer overall feel than the UHD for this scene for sure though.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

Just a friendly reminder: you're talking about the thing below.

Again: is everything okay?

[Show spoiler]

Not sure what you are complaining about.

I did mention that you must view the images with fully color-managed software and software that applies ICC profiles even for .PNG format so it might be that you are seeing wide gamut presented as if it were sRGB, which will look ugly and bad, very dingy, twisted color, nasty so it might be how you are viewing things that is not correct and have become used to home video looks and digital.

Also if you are viewing on a non-OLED and are not using BPC compensated monitor profile, a lot of color engines will likely clip away some of the deep blacks when viewed so you might be seeing the blacks a touch overly clipped looking and image viewer to image viewer tend to vary how they decide to show near blacks and some of the gamma tuning.

If you are viewing it correctly and it's more extreme complaint than a touch dark clipping on your monitor then not sure what you are going on about. You just forget, likely after decades, of how 35mm prints looked.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Some night stuff was way brightened up on most home releases.
The whole brontos sunrise scene was wayyyyy dark on the original 35mm.
A lot of T-REX stuff was way darker too.
OTOH some of the badlands stuff and inside the trailer were brighter and more washed/burned out.
A lot of home versions greened up the greens a lot, made them a lot more blue to get a really green green while the 35mm was often more olive or yellow or orange green in quite a few scenes, more like the 3D disc but that one often casts a bit too magenta on top and sometimes bit over-saturated (at least viewed in 2D without glasses).

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

Just a friendly reminder: you're talking about the thing below.

Again: is everything okay?

Those caps are in ProPhotoRGB and not sRGB. They were posted as previews and haven't been given final color correction.

[Jack Smith]

Does the new Dolby Atmos remix for The Lost World fix the slight audio pitch distortion error on Jerry Goldsmith’s Universal logo fanfare at the beginning of the film?

This error was first heard in the DTS HD-MA 7.1 remix for the 2011 Blu-Ray release, which was then carried over to the DTSX remix for the 2018 UHD release, while it was never present in the original 5.1 DTS and Dolby mixes as heard on the 1997 Laserdisc and 2000 DVD releases.

1997 Laserdisc:

Opening to The Lost World: Jurassic Park (US LaserDisc; 1997) - YouTube

2000 DVD:

Opening to The Lost World : Jurassic Park 2 (2000 US DVD) [HQ, #125] - YouTube

2011 Blu-Ray:

Universal Pictures (1997) - YouTube

2018 UHD:

Universal Pictures (1997) - YouTube

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW

I did mention that you must view the images with fully color-managed software and software that applies ICC profiles even for .PNG format so it might be that you are seeing wide gamut presented as if it were sRGB, which will look ugly and bad, very dingy, twisted color, nasty so it might be how you are viewing things that is not correct and have become used to home video looks and digital.

I missed that part. Sorry!

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

I missed that part. Sorry!

OK cool. Anyway that explains it. Yeah the caps would look like absolute garbage if viewed as if they were sRGB so I get your impression from having viewed them incorrectly.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by TravisTylerBlack

I guess noticeable is subjective. The pink push in the badlands scene is marginally scaled back. But, once again, to my eyes not at the same level JPanimation’s phone shots demonstrate. IMO it looks like a basic gamma adjustment.

Will definitely take a look at the T-Rex sequence tonight once I can properly evaluate in total darkness. My color perception could also be slightly off due to some pesky sunlight sneaking in through the curtains. lol

Calibration disparity between respective viewing modes + individual display capabilities will obviously play a role in what people are reporting. My Bravia has excellent tone mapping but someone with a newer OLED may see additional chroma info that’s getting clipped on my end.

Also, default Dolby Vision settings often lean on the cooler side. Even bumping the contrast up a few notches can make whites look artificially more pure.

Personally I was hoping for a fresh re-grade more in line with the warm look of 3D disc. No matter how we decide to spin these newest DV tweaks though this definitely is not that.

HMm still hard to know what to make of it since every other post is like it's a radically different color grade and DNR is gone or DNR is still all there and it's just a few little tweaks to a handful of scenes. I'm suspecting it's probably more towards the latter trying to parse all the comments out though....

Guess will find out in two weeks.

[Riddhi2011]

What I've gathered from the above screenshots is that the new UHD has the same magenta look, dull contrast and a blue push, with boosted brightness. That Muldoon shot looks awful on the new 4K release versus the 3D version, which has proper shadows and skin tones. This "new" version looks almost identical to the 200-era HD masters with flat, blueish "TV movie" look that most Cable aired versions of movies had back then. Nothing new or striking here.

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

What I've gathered from the above screenshots

Calling photos of a TV screen "screenshots" is a bit of an exaggeration.

[samuelkhan999]

My iTunes has been downgraded to HD only. It will probably upgrade again to DV/DA. I think there will be a tweak from HDR 10 to DV, but not substantial.

[Pocketkid2]

I just checked out the new DV/DA transfer on apple tv. Yes, it's the same underlying transfer with problematic shots but Yes, the color grade really does make a difference with the contrast and colors. Overall the film feels more natural and balanced and bright. Maybe I'm being too generous but if the 2018 disc is a 6/10 for picture quality, I'd give the new transfer a 7.5/10 or 8/10