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Old 03-07-2024, 04:50 PM   #641
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i recently upgraded my ram from 16gb to 32gb. swapped out 2x 8gb sticks for 2x 16gb sticks. is there anything i can do with those extra 8gb sticks? i have 2 more open ram slots on my motherboard - but i never heard of 48gb of ram lol.
I just did this as well and it's my understanding that adding that ram to your system, even if timings and manufacturer are the same, would actually be detrimental. At least that's the case with AMD. My Asus x570 Pro board actually states in the manual that populating all four DIMM slots is worse than dual channel.
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Old 03-07-2024, 05:49 PM   #642
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raytracing is awesome in cyberpunk. really makes the game look a whole lot more immersive. and with frame-generation on, i can get 90-120 fps with all rtx settings on with my 4060.

i recently upgraded my ram from 16gb to 32gb. swapped out 2x 8gb sticks for 2x 16gb sticks. is there anything i can do with those extra 8gb sticks? i have 2 more open ram slots on my motherboard - but i never heard of 48gb of ram lol.
I wasn't a fan of RT until recently. I had it turned off in Cybperpunk in all 4 of my playthroughs, but I tried it out again last week, and I love it now! I think Path Tracing is the difference maker as I still don't like it with only RT enabled. The lighting/shadows look excellent with PT, and the smoke coming up from sewers and other effects is awesome!

I went 32 GB as well. Diablo IV got me to upgrade as my system was consistently near capacity at 16 GB. As for the extra RAM, it's "best" to utilize identical RAM modules. But in practice, I've never noticed an actual performance difference with adding 2 modules that aren't the same capacity, but I always at least kept the identical modules per channel. With exception to my gaming laptop which is expandable, the first module (8GB) is soldered to the board so I was forced to use a 32 GB module in the expansion slot. So I'm running 40 GB in the laptop, and it has been fine with games for the most part.

But depending on your use case, I don't think it hurts to try if you think you need the extra RAM, providing of course your MB will support the config. Just bare in mind it's dual channel and not quad. If it works, any possible degradation in performance might not necessarily be noticeable. But the biggest concern I'd have is the extra voltage, particularly if you're overclocking. Although I seem to recall reading something about some CPUs (not server CPUs) benefiting from 4 modules. Edit: Looked it up, Ryzen Zen3 (and I'm sure later gens) CPUs apparently benefit from 4 modules. I must'a read that and forgot about it as I have the R5 5600X as shown in the video.


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Old 03-08-2024, 11:38 AM   #643
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raytracing is awesome in cyberpunk. really makes the game look a whole lot more immersive. and with frame-generation on, i can get 90-120 fps with all rtx settings on with my 4060.

i recently upgraded my ram from 16gb to 32gb. swapped out 2x 8gb sticks for 2x 16gb sticks. is there anything i can do with those extra 8gb sticks? i have 2 more open ram slots on my motherboard - but i never heard of 48gb of ram lol.
It is never recommended to mix RAM. Even the same RAM from different bins can be buggy.
It might work, but most likely will cause random crashes. Also, if the RAM has different timings, then it can only run on the lower speed DIMMs. If they are different brands, forget about it. Many companies use the same memory controllers, but there are other design choices (firmware and controller settings/timings) that will not allow it function properly with other brands.

32GB of RAM is solid. Not worth it to even attempt to add that other RAM, IMO.
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Old 03-10-2024, 10:54 PM   #644
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I wasn't a fan of RT until recently. I had it turned off in Cybperpunk in all 4 of my playthroughs, but I tried it out again last week, and I love it now! I think Path Tracing is the difference maker as I still don't like it with only RT enabled. The lighting/shadows look excellent with PT, and the smoke coming up from sewers and other effects is awesome!
Cyberpunk does look awesome. Still my favourite looking game so far besides Red Dead Redemption 2. They both shine in different aspects in my opinion.

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But depending on your use case, I don't think it hurts to try if you think you need the extra RAM, providing of course your MB will support the config. Just bare in mind it's dual channel and not quad. If it works, any possible degradation in performance might not necessarily be noticeable. But the biggest concern I'd have is the extra voltage, particularly if you're overclocking. Although I seem to recall reading something about some CPUs (not server CPUs) benefiting from 4 modules. Edit: Looked it up, Ryzen Zen3 (and I'm sure later gens) CPUs apparently benefit from 4 modules. I must'a read that and forgot about it as I have the R5 5600X as shown in the video.
With Ryzen 7000 the memory controller struggles to keep 4 sticks at 6000 which is, to my knowledge, the sweet-spot for performance for this generation. Therefore, you should only use 2 sticks with Ryzen 7000.
In general it is not the norm that the old RAM sticks you're replacing can keep up with the timings and clock speed of the new sticks and therefore could possibly be a bottleneck. The RAM will run on a slow denominator and you leave the added performance of your new sticks on the table. You'd have to very certain that both kits can run at the same speed stable which would ideally not be JDEC default.
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Old 03-11-2024, 12:23 AM   #645
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I built, with the help of a friend, what will likely be my last computer in the summer of 2022.

I repurposed my Corsair 400R mid tower case and the rest of the parts are:

Corsair AX1200I 1200 watt platinum power supply.

Intel Core i9 12900K CPU

MSI MPG Z690 Carbon Wifi Motherboard.

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB series 64gb (32gb x2) 288 pin PC RAM DDR5 5600 CAS latency 30

EVGA GeForce RTX 3080TI 12gb GDDR6 video card.

Samsung 980 Pro SSD 2TB PCIe NVMe.

Samsung 870 EVO 4TB SSD.

Samsung 870 EVO 2TB SSD.

Noctua NH-D15 CPU cooler.

Three Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM 120mm fans.

Two Corsair AF 120mm fans.

LG WH16NS40 16X blu-ray burner.

There's also a multi-card reader that can read a variety of memory cards like SD and others.

I hope that the choices that I made will allow my machine to run just about anything, and run it well, for the foreseeable future.

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Old 03-12-2024, 11:34 PM   #646
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My dad mentioned wanting to get a new PC.
He's a photographer, and still uses the PC I helped him choose to purchase... in 2009. It's an old Athlon dual core, 10GB of RAM, and an old HDD. I don't think it even has a dedicated GPU, I don't remember. It was a little while ago.
I can't believe it still works!

So when he mentioned getting a new PC, I told him I'd make one for him. I have shitloads of PC parts in bins and stuff, so the cost was minimal for me. He's getting wayyyy more than he needs, but whatevs.
I only purchased the case, PSU, CPU, and motherboard. The rest is just parts left behind (like the fans, which have been in a drawer for ages). I have an RTX 3070 literally lying around (it was a backup in case my 3080, or either of my two 4090s went kaput).

Here are the specs:

Case: Corsair 3000D Airflow
Power Supply: EVGA 550 BP (550 Watt)
Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix B550-F GAMING
CPU: Ryzen 5600X CPU
RAM: 32GB DDR4/3600MHz Corsair Vengeance
Graphics Card: ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 3070, 8GB
Hard Drive: Kingston Fury PRO 2TB M.2 NVMe Gen 4
CPU Cooler: Be quiet! Pure Rock 2, with Noctua thermal paste
Operating System: Windows 11 Pro

I have the 4000D Airflow for one of my own builds, and that is a much better case. Just an FYI... don't buy the 3000D. It is basically a cheap version of the 4000D for just $10-$15 dollars less.







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CPU: Ryzen 7700
GPU: PowerColor Red Devil LE 7900XTX
RAM:64GB RAM - G.Skill Trident Z Neo - 6000mhz.
SSD: 2 TB SK Hynix Platinum P41 (plus 7 other SSDs in there)
AIO: EKWB Nucleus CR240 Lux D-RGB w/ 2x Thermaltake TOUGHFAN12 Pro 120mm on the radiator
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Old 04-12-2024, 08:33 PM   #648
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New rig incoming! The first new PC I've had in 14 years and the first "gaming PC" I've ever had. So yes it's a pre-built. Don't judge.

CPU: i9-14900K
GPU: NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 4080 SUPER™ 16GB GDDR6X
RAM: 32 GB DDR5-5200MHz (UDIMM) - (2 x 16 GB)
SSD: 2 TB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 Performance TLC Opal
Cooling: 250W 360mm Liquid Cooling + 1 x Rear + 2 x Top with ARGB + 3 x Front attached to Liquid Cooler Radiator aRGB
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For a monitor I went with the Alienware AW3225QF


Since this is my first "gaming PC" I wouldn't mind some feedback on components, future needs, etc.
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Old 04-14-2024, 08:02 PM   #649
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Nice rig. I can understand going with a prebuilt if the price is not absolutely bonkers. Don't know about the upgradeability with Lenovo as other large system integrators like Dell make it really hard to repurpose it when the need to upgrade arises. Anyway, have fun with that PC.

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Can you let me know about your experience with the monitor after you get used to it? I know the picture quality is supposed to be awesome as it is QD-OLED. I'm still hesitant about OLED monitors because of burn in which with static HUDs in games might be a problem. On the other hand, there is next to nothing with the same picture quality.
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Nice rig. I can understand going with a prebuilt if the price is not absolutely bonkers. Don't know about the upgradeability with Lenovo as other large system integrators like Dell make it really hard to repurpose it when the need to upgrade arises. Anyway, have fun with that PC.


Can you let me know about your experience with the monitor after you get used to it? I know the picture quality is supposed to be awesome as it is QD-OLED. I'm still hesitant about OLED monitors because of burn in which with static HUDs in games might be a problem. On the other hand, there is next to nothing with the same picture quality.
I've never once upgraded a PC so I can't say I have many concerns with that. The rig itself looks simple enough to access at least. Come fall I plan to get a second SSD for it and possibly replace the existing 2x16GB ram sticks with 2x32GB's since the specs say this is supported.

As for the monitor, my research lead me to that same paradox. Ultimately I decided to go with the PQ over the burn-in risk since Dell's 3 year warranty explicitly covers burn-in. I figure by then OLED monitors will be common enough to where a standard prevention or mitigation of burn-in will exist. So far my LG C3 OLED TV hasn't shown signs of any burn-in despite watching sports games for hours with static scoreboard graphics, logos, etc. Hopefully that's a good sign in terms of how much risk there is with how I typically use such a screen.
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Nice rig. I can understand going with a prebuilt if the price is not absolutely bonkers. Don't know about the upgradeability with Lenovo as other large system integrators like Dell make it really hard to repurpose it when the need to upgrade arises. Anyway, have fun with that PC.


Can you let me know about your experience with the monitor after you get used to it? I know the picture quality is supposed to be awesome as it is QD-OLED. I'm still hesitant about OLED monitors because of burn in which with static HUDs in games might be a problem. On the other hand, there is next to nothing with the same picture quality.
For burn in protection, the Alienware QD-OLEDs have pixel shift and also an automatic pixel refresh feature that triggers after every 4 hours of use (I believe said features are also common for OLED monitors). I have the Alienware AW3423DWF QD-OLED that I picked up in November. The pixel shift was weird at first, but I'm used to it now. As for the automatic pixel refresh, it'll prompt you every 4 hours, and you can choose to skip. But I usually just walk away/take a break and let it do it's thing when I'm prompted, takes about 6-8 min.

I haven't had the monitor very long, and I also only use it as a secondary work/gaming monitor for when I'm hanging in the living room with the wife while she watches her shows. So it hasn't gotten regular usage. That said, I have logged at least 100 hrs on it (possibly more), and no issues thus far. And of course, games look gorgeous on it.

I love it enough that I eventually plan to replace my super ultrawide 32:9 in my home office/mancave, which is my primary monitor that I mainly use for work. I used to game on it, but I stopped after I picked up an LG C1 50" for the office which I have mounted above the monitor. I do miss the 32:9 aspect for gaming (especially RPGs), so I plan to pick up a 32:9 QD-OLED soon (likely in the next few weeks or so).

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I have a 48" LG OLED PC monitor. After 2.5 years and more than 7000 hours of use, there are no issues at all. About 9 months ago, I stopped even TRYING to do tricks to prevent static images for extended periods of time.
The Taskbar is just there, instead of hidden until I move the cursor to it, for example.

My second "monitor" is an LG OLED C1 55". It has about 4000 hours of use, and that too is fine. I play games, watch movies on it. It's a second display that frequently remains "blank" on a black background.

These days, fear of OLED burn-in is not a big deal for most users. There are always extremes, so you can't rule it out, but those outliers would most likely destroy just about any screen type... there are so many things being done in the background with OLEDs now that help reduce the potential for "burn-in" that I don't worry about it at all anymore.
I didn't even worry much about it back when I had my LG OLED C7.
Coming off of plasma, it was much less nerve-wracking.

There will always be loud voices on the internets proclaiming the "DANGERS OF OLED BURN IN!!!11!" but seriously, don't worry about it.

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I have a 48" LG OLED PC monitor. After 2.5 years and more than 7000 hours of use, there are no issues at all. About 9 months ago, I stopped even TRYING to do tricks to prevent static images for extended periods of time.
The Taskbar is just there, instead of hidden until I move the cursor to it, for example.

My second "monitor" is an LG OLED C1 55". It has about 4000 hours of use, and that too is fine. I play games, watch movies on it. It's a second display that frequently remains "blank" on a black background.

These days, fear of OLED burn-in is not a big deal for most users. There are always extremes, so you can't rule it out, but those outliers would most likely destroy just about any screen type... there are so many things being done in the background with OLEDs now that help reduce the potential for "burn-in" that I don't worry about it at all anymore.
I didn't even worry much about it back when I had my LG OLED C7.
Coming off of plasma, it was much less nerve-wracking.

There will always be loud voices on the internets proclaiming the "DANGERS OF OLED BURN IN!!!11!" but seriously, don't worry about it.
A little off subject, but your comment about the internets proclaiming dangers caught my eye. I was just thinking about this the other day in regard to whether or not you should use anything like alcohol to wipe down your phone screen. I have a Note 3 from 2013 that I still use today as a remote control, being that it has an infrared port and I own a fully programmable and customizable remote control app for it. I've been cleaning that sucker with alcohol since I got it. No screen degradation at all after 11 years, and no less responsive now that I can tell vs when I got it. But the internets will tell you to NEVER use alcohol, and I'm sure by people who mostly have no experience with that practice and are just regurgitating what they've read online. I've been rubbing alcohol on my smart phones for years, no issues. And I also don't use screen protectors.

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Thanks for all the information, I haven't been keeping with the current development of OLED. The last time I was keeping up the burn-in risk was much more common but it was early times for OLED. Still not going to buy one soon as their are not cheap and I'm not interested in 4K gaming and my 1440p monitor doesn't need replacing.

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A little off subject, but your comment about the internets proclaiming dangers caught my eye. I was just thinking about this the other day in regard to whether or not you should use anything like alcohol to wipe down your phone screen. I have a Note 3 from 2013 that I still use today as a remote control, being that it has an infrared port and I own a fully programmable and customizable remote control app for it. I've been cleaning that sucker with alcohol since I got it. No screen degradation at all after 11 years, and no less responsive now that I can tell vs when I got it. But the internets will tell you to NEVER use alcohol, and I'm sure by people who mostly have no experience with that practice and are just regurgitating what they've read online. I've been rubbing alcohol on my smart phones for years, no issues. And I also don't use screen protectors.
I use standard wipes for cleaning glasses and everything worked fine so far over the years. However, they mention explicitly that they mustn't be used with foil display but actively market their use for smartphones. A problem might occur if the alcohol comes in direct contact with the display itself and not the glass on top.
The use-case for screen protectors I can get behind is preventing scratches on the glass which might lower the price you get if you sell it later on. Don't know whether the price is worth it but I have noticed a few scratches on my phone which has no screen protectors.
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Can anyone here spot the out of the ordinary item that i am kind of amped to check out?
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Thanks for all the information, I haven't been keeping with the current development of OLED. The last time I was keeping up the burn-in risk was much more common but it was early times for OLED. Still not going to buy one soon as their are not cheap and I'm not interested in 4K gaming and my 1440p monitor doesn't need replacing.
If/when you decide to do it, maybe also consider an OLED TV, which still is probably the best bang for buck (providing you want something large for a monitor, anyway, if you don't plan to run multiple monitors). I have a 48" LG C1 in my mancave that I use for gaming and a secondary monitor. It supports GSync and FreeSync, and I play at 1440p as well and I get very smooth gaming at 120Hz, and in gaming mode it's still very quick and not any noticeable lag time compared to my gaming monitor which I only use now for work/productivity. I also watch movies/stream shows on the C1 (have The Dark Knight going now ), but most of the usage is gaming. Since I telecommute full time, it gets at least 4 hours use per day. Almost 2 years later and no issues at all with burn-in.

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I use standard wipes for cleaning glasses and everything worked fine so far over the years. However, they mention explicitly that they mustn't be used with foil display but actively market their use for smartphones. A problem might occur if the alcohol comes in direct contact with the display itself and not the glass on top.
The use-case for screen protectors I can get behind is preventing scratches on the glass which might lower the price you get if you sell it later on. Don't know whether the price is worth it but I have noticed a few scratches on my phone which has no screen protectors.
I've never been one to sell my phones, and apart from the Note 3 I mentioned, I tend to hand them down to my boys, after which they pretty much destroy them lol. That was at least up until lately as they both now have an iPhone as that's what all their friends use.

So now, since I'm an Android user (and Samsung Galaxy at that), I've just been trading my phones in as Samsung has a pretty generous trade-in program. Scratches don't matter as long as the phone is functional and doesn't have water damage. But that said, I haven't had an issue with scratches really, and I also never pocket my phone in the same pocket as my keys. There's hardly any scratches on that old Note 3.

But anyway... back on topic. I mentioned I'd be picking up that 49" 32:9 ultrawide OLED, and I did. A price drop came at the right time which is $700 off MSRP so I nabbed one. It will be replacing my current main monitor, which is also a 32:9 Samsung 49", but is older tech from 6 years ago, which is why I stopped gaming on it (but EXCELLENT for productivity with all that real estate). This will become my gaming monitor again as I miss the 32:9 aspect for gaming. And OLED + HDR + high refresh + GSync is a wonderful thing. Picking it up Saturday. The C1 will then just be for HT duty.


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Can anyone here spot the out of the ordinary item that i am kind of amped to check out?
Is it that wi-fi 6E device? If not then I'm stumped as I'm otherwise too focused that the motherboad doesn't appear to have integrated graphics, and the processor requires a discrete GPU (according to the label), so I'm stuck wondering how he's going to get any video since there's no GPU shown in the pics.

Or maybe I'm just completely wrong since I don't keep up with the latest PC tech like I used to.
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Am I seeing a 1000W PSU and no GPU?

*doh red_5ive already said it*
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I should of stated i am still trying to pick a gpu, thinking about going with a 4060ti msi card that has 16gb of ram on it for $450, pretty decent price for a 16gb card.

And look at the motherboard real closely.
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All the pinout connectors are on the back?
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