Jurassic Park Collection 4K UHD (1993-2015)

[Jedihunter]

Originally Posted by The Rider

As far as I understand correctly, the DNR in TLW refers to opticals. With JP, Universal has not improved these or the effect shots.

What Universal has done here makes no sense at all, because most of the problems like the DNR in opticals and effects shots as well as the wrong color grading have still not been corrected.

Well what it appears to me from the screenshots shared is that not only were they not fixed the screenshots show the optical were blasted of grain that was present in the precious release and while the film isnt soft. Their appears to be less fine details present throughout the transfer in alot of shots. As it appears they filtered the image more whereas JP 1 was less filtered than before

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by mjvmovieman

Ready for Geoff's take on all this back and forth.

It's better.... It is not noticeably any different than the old disc... It's worse...

What to believe??

Believe the ones who have actually watched the disc as opposed to the ones judging by way of screencaps.

[Jedihunter]

Popped in both lost world discs and sadly yes the grain does appear more rolled back in spots I checked that werent just opticals. While im not sure if its better compression as I assume these encodes have more room to breath given they're on bigger discs. But the grain/noise isnt as present as it was on the 2018 fisc for TLW to my eyes. Doesn't make the new disc awful. It still looks pretty nice with that said. Im just shocked that they would mess with it if when they didnt with the previous disc. Not to mention sat they did improve the first film. Haven't checked its disc yet as the screenshots didnt sit well with me for being more managed looking. But again maybe outside of the opticals its because the grain is better resolved? As I know the bitrate wasnt the best for the first two films on the 2018 discs. Not that they were awful either.

One scene that is noticeable from my skimming is the first scene on the island with their convoy of vehicles as it is noticeably less grainy/noisey than the 2018 disc. Maybe the first disc had some sharpening applied and this disc removed that? Hard to say at the moment

[Midnight_Hour]

Originally Posted by MonkeyLizard10

Here are some links to frames of 35mm scan timed to the 35mm print, most are re-sized to UHD size but a few are full res:

I put these first few in ProPhotoRGB format since these ones definitely have some colors that need wide gamut and get clipped by sRGB regular gamut. If not viewed with a color-managed browser or image viewer they will look really bad though and all faded and weirdly twisted tint. And obviously if not viewed on a wide gamut display set to wide gamut mode you’ll still get the beyond sRGB colors clipped away, mix of

1.85:1 and open matte:
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sRGB format, mix of 1.85:1 and open matte:
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Saw this fan project. They provided a bunch of full frame shots from a scanned 35mm. Looks pretty good and the day shots have a bit of that golden tint to them.

[StingingVelvet]

Just watched (most of) The Lost World and did a quick comparison afterward. I thought it looked like much less of a change.

Like JP1 I think it really just boils down to a new HDR grade and better compression. The grade isn't a super noticeable change in this one though, more of a small refinement. I think it has slightly lower gamma and the highlights are less bright, making it a bit more natural theater showing looking, but it's a subtle difference.

I paid close attention to some dark scenes because of black crush concerns but honestly I saw the same levels of detail in both discs. Examples: Ian's hair in the high hide, Ian's clothes in T-rex camp scene, Nick's fingers when holding the bullets on the chopper. The visible details are identical on both discs, the new one is just slightly less contrasty due to HDR tweaks. IMO anyway.

I don't think there is new DNR in non-effects shots, I think it's where it always was and maybe people are being thrown off by the grain being more refined by better compression. That was certainly the case in JP1.

Anyway, eager to see what deep divers think and see with a more comprehensive comparison, because this one is less obvious to an amateur back and forth.

[JigglesBunny]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

I don't own any 4k discs because they're all trash. My collection is just a dream list of what I'd like to own if it wasn't garbage.

If I owned any 4Ks, it’s not like I’d be watching them. What, do you dorks actually watch the junk you’re buying?

Everyone knows you’re just supposed to buy movies (between five to ten at a time), take low quality screencaps, post them in threads here so you can argue about grain structure, then put them back on the shelf for a few years until they get re-released inside a new case and with fewer special features, at which point I upgrade them and repeat the process.

[zeonstar]

How are the Atmos tracks on the 3 movies?

[The Rider]

Originally Posted by Streamingsux

I'd prefer original color timing/audio/no DNR/all that other good stuff but Blu-ray and 4K are by far the greatest home video formats to ever exist and I love them. I don't care if True Lies (for example) has some "issues." We have it on blu-ray and 4K now and that's how I'm watching it from now on.

If this 4K of Jurassic Park had been shown to people in 1994 not a single person would have said a word about color timing or DNR. They'd have ditched their VHS and Laserdiscs and never looked back..

Then look at Blu-rays and 4K Blu-rays with professional treatments like Demolition Man in comparison. The problems have nothing to do with the format, it's just incompetence.

Especially with the technology that is rapidly evolving, it's so ridiculous that most of the problems from the DVD era continue. Jurassic Park has had the wrong color grading in home entertainment for over 20 years and the Ultra HD Blu-ray is no exception.

Regarding The Abyss and True Lies, it's annoying that we never got the Blu-rays with the Reliance Mediaworks restorations.

[The Rider]

Originally Posted by Spanbauer

None of them feel like they look as good as they could. I was expecting the quality to be better the further into the trilogy I got, since they are newer films, similar to how much better Batman Returns looks on 4k than Batman ‘89. No such luck.

The second film was not terribly impressive, but the third film looks the worst of the bunch. Cold and flat, like it has all of the color depth of a DVD. I’m going to guess that being a 2001 film, the color grading was done digitally with 2001 technology and never really revisited.

They all sound good though.

Jurassic Park III was made before the DI era with photochemical grading. The film only looks so bad because of the incompetence of Universal. The 35 mm prints looked completely different, very stylish with strong contrasts.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...02014&page=335
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Originally Posted by Midnight_Hour

Saw this fan project. They provided a bunch of full frame shots from a scanned 35mm. Looks pretty good and the day shots have a bit of that golden tint to them.

Yes, I know the pictures too. It's so ridiculous that even now with the new release Universal still hasn't managed to achieve a comparably good result. Since Universal has access to the camera negative and much better equipment, they could even achieve a much better result.

[Ssj3 Goku]

Originally Posted by Jedihunter

Popped in both lost world discs and sadly yes the grain does appear more rolled back in spots I checked that werent just opticals. While im not sure if its better compression as I assume these encodes have more room to breath given they're on bigger discs. But the grain/noise isnt as present as it was on the 2018 fisc for TLW to my eyes. Doesn't make the new disc awful. It still looks pretty nice with that said. Im just shocked that they would mess with it if when they didnt with the previous disc. Not to mention sat they did improve the first film. Haven't checked its disc yet as the screenshots didnt sit well with me for being more managed looking. But again maybe outside of the opticals its because the grain is better resolved? As I know the bitrate wasnt the best for the first two films on the 2018 discs. Not that they were awful either.

One scene that is noticeable from my skimming is the first scene on the island with their convoy of vehicles as it is noticeably less grainy/noisey than the 2018 disc. Maybe the first disc had some sharpening applied and this disc removed that? Hard to say at the moment

Idk man, I also compared both disc and thr new one honestly has a more filmic look to it with grain intact whereas the old disc had clear case of dnr being used with its cleaner look like most other universal disc albeit being done well that it wasn't distracting. To me it's more of the compression probably being better this time with the finer look. I think this new disc looks terrific and is a improvement for sure even though thr old disc looks very good too.

[jerclay]

Originally Posted by Jedihunter

Lovely so many people saying no when i was just asking because is aw someone mentiong the titles were a bit DNR'd on the new release. Which upon looking at the images does appear to be the case for whatever reason at least, in particular the titles. Its questionable though on other shots shown, but it does.aplear to ne the case sadly from those screenshots.

Yep, that was me and I stand by what I said. LW has been slapped with DNR on certain shots more than the previous release. It’s freaking obvious to anyone with a pair of eyes. How are you sensible to DNR and how bad it is in your own perception, is a matter of opinion.

I am more concerned about less grain than black crush, so for me the choice is obvious. But that might be different for you.

[jess1581]

Lol, see what you want to see. The new discs fall in line with each other in terms of improvement.

[jerclay]

Originally Posted by jess1581

Lol, see what you want to see. The new discs fall in line with each other in terms of improvement.

lol, you’re wrong.

[Mierzwiak]

Ahhh, **** it, I cancelled my pre-order. There are far more interesting (and technically great) releases that I want to have than barely improved movies I already have on UHD.

[Mackattack57973]

I’m guessing they’ll release the upgraded discs in individual slipcover releases with the same art but just have a sticker saying “newly remastered”

I already have the ultimate collection set but want individual art and cases for each movie and I don’t wanna pay eBay prices for the old slips

[Jedihunter]

Originally Posted by jerclay

Yep, that was me and I stand by what I said. LW has been slapped with DNR on certain shots more than the previous release. It’s freaking obvious to anyone with a pair of eyes. How are you sensible to DNR and how bad it is in your own perception, is a matter of opinion.

I am more concerned about less grain than black crush, so for me the choice is obvious. But that might be different for you.

Yeah grain and fine detail is more important that a bit of black crush to me as well.

[jpanimation]

Well I finally finished all 3 films and did quick comparisons. The first one is an obvious improvement on many fronts. Texture, color, contrast. Granted I sat 5ft away from a 65in OLED but it feels filmic now. If we never get our dream restoration of this film, this new version I can live with. Lost World I'm on the fence with. On one hand, I think it has a nicer look to it. On the other hand, it seems a little smoothed over at times. Jurassic Park 3 is probably an improvement, it's hard to tell with it being such an ugly movie.

Final recommendation remains the same. Worth an upgrade for the first film only but probably wait for a hefty sale unless you like the first film enough to dish out $60 (guilty).

[Bishop_99]

I liked the way The Lost World looked. The only issue was the random DNR heavy scenes for 5 minutes after the 20 minute mark, and a few scenes in the first opening minutes. I was afraid it was going to be like Batman Begins, but no other severe dnr shows up again. I can’t remember if those scenes looked natural or dnr’d in the previous 4K release, but I like this disc.

[K-Shaps]

Does the new JP 4K disc have the changes from this YT video or is it from a different 35mm scan?

(Malcolm's hair, Cig smoke, digitally removed wires, etc.)

Jurassic Park Blu-ray Comparison [2011 vs 2013 Transfer] - YouTube

Changes start at 2:40

If these alterations are not in the new 4K disc I'll probably pick it up but the indie 4k 35mm scan that is around has been my go to watch since it came out.

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by Midnight_Hour

Saw this fan project. They provided a bunch of full frame shots from a scanned 35mm. Looks pretty good and the day shots have a bit of that golden tint to them.

I'd be 100% satisfied with a UHD in that color timing. Looks absolutely gorgeous. I ordered the new steelbook from Gruv, haven't received it yet. But I won't get my hopes up that it looks anywhere near as good as those scans in terms of color. I'll definitely be checking out that preservation once it's complete.