HD DVD owners will have to buy new players

[GreenMotion]

Originally Posted by CAB

Rich.

They better stash it in the bank, because its not going to last.

[CAB]

Originally Posted by GreenMotion

They better stash it in the bank, because its not going to last.

Sir, I suspect $100 to $150 milion was tons more than they'd make in profit off BD sales for the next 18 months. All they have to release is catalog titles, Shrek III, Transformers, and Knocked Up. I'd have bought all three if on blu along with another 100,000 maybe so that's what: half a mil and change in profit? In 15 months, we'll all go back to buying their titles one way or the other. It's not like I can get Shrek III from Sony.

[miked924]

I own an hd dvd player and if they start releasing movies on these discs then I think my hd dvd buying days are over...no way would I buy a new player!

[Sir Terrence]

Originally Posted by Jack Torrance

They SHOULD agree that this is a huge blow to hd-dvd... because it IS!

A few weeks back, their beloved RDJam was gloating over the announcement of the TL51 (and I remember his posts around that time, suggesting that it was bigger than the Paramount news... and added a smug "<giggle>" or two in there). He got everyone's hopes up over there. Then rumors of how quickly TL51 discs were going to hit the market... maybe even by this Christmas!

Yea, right. A nice dose of reality is what they need right about now. A reality that a lot of us over on this forum have known for a long time.

What is worse is reading what David Vaughn had to say on this. He said that TL51 was compatible with current players, all they had to do is tilt the drive a bit to get it to read the disk. So how do you tilt the drive of a player already in my house??? This shows you just how much an insider he really is.

[Elandyll]

My feeling is that this isn't something that the HD DVD supporter wanted because they believe it is needed, rather to take away a talking point for the BD crowd.

The way I see it, the "talking point" response of HD-DVD has been shot by the anounce of BD-100 a mere 2-3 weeks after their anounce of a theoric TL-51, and obliterated after the prototype was shown another week later, alongside TDK anouncing its first tests and a very possible compatibility with existing players only needing a soft patch.
Some HD-DVD suporters seem to revert to their "30Gb is enough" motto, but they know full well that having all of a HD movie plus bonuses in HD in one disc is huge, as well as fitting an entire season of your fav. TV show in HD in 40% less discs (BD-50 vs HDDVD 30) would reduce the price of a set drastically... Let's not even talk about a 100gb with the price of a full Season set in mind.... Can you say all of House HD on 4x BD-100 vs 12x HD-DVDs ?

[BluThunder]

HD-DVD was an inferior format from the start. If, and only if I were a HD-DVD owner and hear that I need to buy a new player, I would switch to Blu-ray right NOW!

HD-DVD is crap!

[BluThunder]

Originally Posted by GreenMotion

I wonder how Paramount feels now.

They don't know nothing! Wrong choice supporting HD-DVD exclusively.

[PaulGo]

I do like David Vaughn's response to my post:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post11859119

[Tru-way]

I find it hallarious how the HD-DVD fanboys kept saying how 30gb is enough and theres no need for a crazy dual layer 50gb disc.

Now that theres a crazy tripler layer 51gb disc for HD-DVD what will the idiot fan boys that said 30gb was enough say? obviously if Toshiba went out of there way to make a 51gb disc then 30gb was just not enough.

Im glad I invested in Blu-ray and dindt have to worry about boiling discs, future absolete players, bait and switch tricks, inferior media, etc..

[Slapper]

Originally Posted by shadowmoon

Well, I posted it on AVS.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post11859683

We will see how scorched I will be when they say 'oh hes a BD supporter, this is just FUD', and I get banned with my 2 post counts over there lol. Maybe I should start a poll on how fast my post will be deleted and me banned for life lol.

This is a huge blow to HD DVD if this holds true, or Toshiba finds a way around the lens issue. Can very well determine the outcome of the format war.

TL51 success or failure will not determine the outcome of the war, IMO. Storage capacity is NOT HD-DVD's biggest problem. BANDWIDTH IMO is HD-DVD's biggest problem. Most of HD-DVDs other problems are listed in my sig (in no particular order).

[pscoop]

Wow it got ugly over there fast. And why do they get so bent out of shape when people hyphenate HD DVD?

[Xerious]

Originally Posted by Slapper

TL51 success or failure will not determine the outcome of the war, IMO. Storage capacity is NOT HD-DVD's biggest problem. BANDWIDTH IMO is HD-DVD's biggest problem. Most of HD-DVDs other problems are listed in my sig (in no particular order).

bandwidth is the key. not to mention, i don't know if this has been said but what if this was for data storage and not movies... whatever the case may be, hd dvd = t3h suk

[Slapper]

Originally Posted by Xerious

bandwidth is the key. not to mention, i don't know if this has been said but what if this was for data storage and not movies... whatever the case may be, hd dvd = t3h suk

Toshiba/HD-DVD have enough problems with the "write" drives for the 30gig discs. Add another layer and they'll have even more problems. I don't see TL51 discs ever making it to market in any form. Kind of like Warner's oft-delayed TotalHD discs. TL51 and TotalHD look nice on paper though.

[Clark Kent]

The Myth of The Triple Layer

I don't believe any of the higher ups in the HD DVD camp ever seriously thought that this technology would ever be brought to market but used it mostly for on-line spin purposes. Wasn't it an amazing coincidence that the triple layer HD DVD was exactly 51 GB, 1 GB more than BD-Rom's 50 GB. It was simply a misleading bulletin point to counteract Blu-ray's real technical advantage and give wild-eyed HD DVD fanboys something to cling to.

But when Amir(I think he was the original source of this or at least he publicized it enough on the insiders thread at AVSforums) leaked this out, it's amazing how it spread like wildfire though the minds of HD DVD supporters.

[Tru 2 Blu]

Originally Posted by mnelsoneorm

Oh, come on, I feel bad for anyone who has an HD-DVD player, so be nice to them. Let them vent to you, cry on your shoulder, and then take them to BB or Fry's or whatever and help them pick out their new BD player .

lol. This has to be a classic .

[Hayashi]

Hahaha the way this is unfolding just sounds like a classic Microsoft thing. And why would you want a 51g disc for backup when you can get a 100g blu-ray lol

[Slapper]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

The Myth of The Triple Layer

I don't believe any of the higher ups in the HD DVD camp ever seriously thought that this technology would ever be brought to market but used it mostly for on-line spin purposes. Wasn't it an amazing coincidence that the triple layer HD DVD was exactly 51 GB, 1 GB more than BD-Rom's 50 GB. It was simply a misleading bulletin point to counteract Blu-ray's real technical advantage and give wild-eyed HD DVD fanboys something to cling to.

But when Amir(I think he was the original source of this or at least he publicized it enough on the insiders thread at AVSforums) leaked this out, it's amazing how it spread like wildfire though the minds of HD DVD supporters.

The HD-DVD TL51 disc was a direct counter to BDs 50gig dual-layer disc no doubt. A normal dual-layer HD-DVD disc holds 30gig of data, or 15gig per layer. If they were going to do a "regular" triple layer disc they would have had 15gig+15gig+15gig - a TL45gig disc. This is still shy of BD's 50gig so HD-DVD/Toshiba had to squeeze more data onto each layer, pushing the "data area" closer to the edges of the disc (a la 80min CD) in order to get more capacity so that they could have a disc that has more storage than Blu-ray.

Spin, baby, spin!

[jw]

No studio has announced any title using TL51 discs. Who knows when/if that'll happen. I have a feeling it may never see the light of day.



a quote from that forums, that just shows you that hddvd is a one hit wonder, there was never any room for future technology to be administered in.
Those HDDVD's will look great on their shelves next to those DIVX discs from years ago. LMAO

[tron3]

Originally Posted by SKRUhddvd

this news breaks just before the christmas season! how the hell will they sell any hddvd players now! i wonder now if the hddvd camp will be split into two factions the ones that can play all the movies and the ones that cant?

So within their own camp there will be the "haves" and "have nots". Brilliant marketing stratagy.

So what do we call this new "break through"? X3 DUD?

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by jason_grumpy

But but but.. their spec is finalized!



Queue Nelson HAHA guy.

Exactly my thoughts! lol!