Wow I'm glad I waited to buy my 4k UHD TV

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Opips3

A broadcast television has HD now, not yet 4K my guess in 2020's i stick to a movie native 4K uhd bd format in late 2015.

They barely have HD

[saprano]

Originally Posted by spectre08

but it'll still be magnitudes better than anything you'd get from any 1080p tv.

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Yes, no doubt.

Eh.....


Anyway. Your TV is already outdated OP. I don't know why people are buying *4K TV's now.

[Opips3]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

They barely have HD

That's true and more cost than Standard-definition television. i''m worry about 4K more more cost.....

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by saprano

Eh.....


Anyway. Your TV is already outdated OP. I don't know why people are buying *4K TV's now.

Eh...

Perhaps so they can enjoy 4K? I've been enjoying it for almost a year now.

Who knows when they'll have the 4K TV with all the bells and whistles that will take full advantage of the 4K BD specs. I can take advantage of some of them, which is more than what a 1080p set would have done if I had bought it instead when I needed another TV last year.

I get tired of the elitist attitude of putting down other people's choices because they can't understand that not everyone operates like they do.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by saprano

Eh.....


Anyway. Your TV is already outdated OP. I don't know why people are buying *4K TV's now.

outdated? hardly.

there is no tv sold in 2014 or 2015 yet, or even announced, that includes the FULL specs of UHD. It is utterly inconceivable, from a business point of view, that before Christmas when UHD Blu-ray players and media go on sale that they would be incompatible with any display on the market.

UHD blu-ray may SUPPORT features above and beyond what we have now, but it will probably be years before they're actually implemented.

At any rate. even if you consider current 4K tvs to be "out of date" that only means that 1080p tvs are even MORE out of date, as they don't support ANY of the enhanced features that come with 4K.

I've said this in other threads as well. If you have a 1080p tv right now that you're content with, it is probably not the best time to buy a 4K tv. However, if you are in need of a new tv anyways there is no practical reason to buy a 1080p over a 4K tv unless cost is your sole concern.

[4K fanatic]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

No current flat panel can, but one front projector has that WCG capability

However, be that as it may, I still like 4K fanatic’s spirit.

Regardless of what rec I have 709/2020, when I eatch breaking bad from my Netflix app w/20mbps speed it blows away my 2011 1080p LG tv. I find it the most beautiful thing I've seen. The only thing that upsets me about my set is that when I watch 3D movies I have to mess with the picture settings- put it on clear plus or one of the other settings or I get terrible ghosting. Never has to mess w/my 2011 LG 1080p. I will always go witth LG because I wear Rx glasses and the active 3D has never looked as good as the passive for me. As long as the pq is as good as breaking bad is in 4k from Netflix, I'll be happy. It looks so real to me that it's like my old tv was a crt 480i compared to this. Even upscaled blu-Ray from my Xbox One looks greater than 1080p ever could��

[saprano]

Originally Posted by spectre08

At any rate. even if you consider current 4K tvs to be "out of date" that only means that 1080p tvs are even MORE out of date, as they don't support ANY of the enhanced features that come with 4K.

Not a good comparison. 1080p is a complete spec. 4K is still developing and has many features that still need to be added. There are not even 4K blurays available. No, there will not be 4K blurays this year either. People really believe this? It's most likely coming 2016/17. The BDA would of course want a huge press showing at CES for the release of this. Come on now. You think you'll be buying an actually 4KBD within the next 7 months when all we've seen is a prototype player? Right.

I've said this in other threads as well. If you have a 1080p tv right now that you're content with, it is probably not the best time to buy a 4K tv. However, if you are in need of a new tv anyways there is no practical reason to buy a 1080p over a 4K tv unless cost is your sole concern.

You serious? You can't think of any reasons why someone would buy a 1080p TV over a 4K TV? Many people have done exactly that. Why? PQ. Resolution isn't everything. There are aspects of PQ besides resolution that gives a reference picture. You think because it's *4K that's make it the best PQ available? Sorry it doesn't work that way.

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Eh...

Perhaps so they can enjoy 4K? I've been enjoying it for almost a year now.

Who knows when they'll have the 4K TV with all the bells and whistles that will take full advantage of the 4K BD specs. I can take advantage of some of them, which is more than what a 1080p set would have done if I had bought it instead when I needed another TV last year.

I get tired of the elitist attitude of putting down other people's choices because they can't understand that not everyone operates like they do.

Not being elitist at all. I'm coming from a standpoint of why buy something now when you know you're going to have to buy it again for the complete experience. 1080p still gives off a pleasing picture. Blurays still being released with amazing looking PQ. Why not just wait a few years for 4K to finish deciding what it wants to be.

[4K fanatic]

Got this from LG/


Upon checking our references regarding your concern, the HDMI 2 supports HDCP 2.2. This port provides the best experience if you have a true HDMI 2.0 output 4K/60P display device and designed for operations with devices that output a full 4K @ 60Hz resolution.

I hope this information satisfies your concern. It was my pleasure to assist you today. Should you have any further questions regarding your LG product, please do not hesitate to contact us again via Email, Live Chat or by calling 800-243-0000. At the bottom, you will also see a survey and rate your experience with me.


Thank you for your patience. Take care and have a good day!



Best regards,
Jasmine
-------------------------
LG Customer Service
Toll Free number: 1-800-243-0000
LGEAI | Customer Interactive Center

Actually, they're wrong. I went to unplug my hdmi cord from hdmi 1 but it says hdcp 2.2 on the back- so some of you are misinformed about my tv. Hdmi 3 says 10 bit so you may be correct in that area though. Idk if hdmi 1 is 12 bit and HDPC compliant. I guess I'll find out once 4k blu-Ray comes out. Unfortunately, I'll have to switch back to optical cuz my reciever doesn't support 2.2 though

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by spectre08

outdated? hardly.

there is no tv sold in 2014 or 2015 yet, or even announced, that includes the FULL specs of UHD. It is utterly inconceivable, from a business point of view, that before Christmas when UHD Blu-ray players and media go on sale that they would be incompatible with any display on the market.

UHD blu-ray may SUPPORT features above and beyond what we have now, but it will probably be years before they're actually implemented.

At any rate. even if you consider current 4K tvs to be "out of date" that only means that 1080p tvs are even MORE out of date, as they don't support ANY of the enhanced features that come with 4K.

I've said this in other threads as well. If you have a 1080p tv right now that you're content with, it is probably not the best time to buy a 4K tv. However, if you are in need of a new tv anyways there is no practical reason to buy a 1080p over a 4K tv unless cost is your sole concern.

I agree with every word.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by saprano

Why not just wait a few years for 4K to finish deciding what it wants to be.

That’s easy, you start running out of years. I’ve probably done more waiting than most folks here for technoloy to mature. An example: In the 70's saw my first demo of DiscoVision (a.k.a. LaserDisc) and wanted one very badly but I waited because there was rumors of a coming model that would have a solid state laser, it came and went because of rumors of a model with digital audio and would play CD’s, eventually procured one late 84.

This time I only waited a few months to procure a 4K video projector (Sony VPL-VW600ES) and I have been elated with the picture that it produces. As an interim device, also procured a Sony FMP-X10 so I would have a UHD source of content till UHD BD’s arrive.

One would never do anything waiting on the BBD!!

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by 4K fanatic

Got this from LG/


Upon checking our references regarding your concern, the HDMI 2 supports HDCP 2.2. This port provides the best experience if you have a true HDMI 2.0 output 4K/60P display device and designed for operations with devices that output a full 4K @ 60Hz resolution.

I hope this information satisfies your concern. It was my pleasure to assist you today. Should you have any further questions regarding your LG product, please do not hesitate to contact us again via Email, Live Chat or by calling 800-243-0000. At the bottom, you will also see a survey and rate your experience with me.


Thank you for your patience. Take care and have a good day!



Best regards,
Jasmine
-------------------------
LG Customer Service
Toll Free number: 1-800-243-0000
LGEAI | Customer Interactive Center

Actually, they're wrong. I went to unplug my hdmi cord from hdmi 1 but it says hdcp 2.2 on the back- so some of you are misinformed about my tv. Hdmi 3 says 10 bit so you may be correct in that area though. Idk if hdmi 1 is 12 bit and HDPC compliant. I guess I'll find out once 4k blu-Ray comes out. Unfortunately, I'll have to switch back to optical cuz my reciever doesn't support 2.2 though

if you read the manual nothing says which ports are HDCP 2.2, only that 1 port is explicitly labeled as such.

I suspect that HDCP 2.2 is supported across all 4 ports, they are after all all HDMI 2.0, but port 1 is ONLY HDCP 2.2, it doesn't support any of the other features on the other ports.

as far as I know the only way to test this at this point is either with the Sony 4K media player or with a PC with an NVidia GTX 970 or better.

I havent' found anybody yet who can test it, and I won't have a 970 for another few months.

[4K fanatic]

Originally Posted by spectre08

if you read the manual nothing says which ports are HDCP 2.2, only that 1 port is explicitly labeled as such.

I suspect that HDCP 2.2 is supported across all 4 ports, they are after all all HDMI 2.0, but port 1 is ONLY HDCP 2.2, it doesn't support any of the other features on the other ports.

as far as I know the only way to test this at this point is either with the Sony 4K media player or with a PC with an NVidia GTX 970 or better.

I havent' found anybody yet who can test it, and I won't have a 970 for another few months.

It says HDPC 2.2 on the back of the tv in hdmi input 2. If there's a way to upload a picture I'll do it to show you but I'm telling you the truth. Is there a way to direct upload a pic or do I have to post a link to photohut or a site like that? Idk why they'd label it that if it wasn't the case.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by saprano

I'm coming from a standpoint of why buy something now when you know you're going to have to buy it again for the complete experience. 1080p still gives off a pleasing picture. Blurays still being released with amazing looking PQ. Why not just wait a few years for 4K to finish deciding what it wants to be.

A few years is a long time and I actually needed to upgrade last year. Figured by the time all the features are out and prices come down a little then it'll be time to upgrade again. That way I can buy the set you will buy, only a year later and for half the price (since I won't have so much pent-up desire to buy one day one like you).

I also bought it for the upscaling and the 1080p passive 3D (which by itself is is almost worth the price I paid). With 4K resolution I can also get closer without seeing a distracting 1080p pixel grid. It's like the 4K pixels draw you closer like a magnet. It absolutely trumps my Panny plasma display in my living room setup. Never had a second of buying remorse. I love it!

[bruceames]

Generally all the ports are 2.0, and only a few of those (but at least one) is also HDCP 2.2.

AFAIK, only some of the 2013 models do not have HDCP 2.2. But even the initial Sony 4K TVs that did not have them, they offered to come out for free to replace the panel to enable a 2.2 port, as long as you bought one of their media players.

But the lower end models I'm not sure of. I would think they are 4K ready.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by schan1269

THERE IS NOTHING, AT ALL, ANYWHERE, AT ANY PRICE, THAT INCLUDES HDMI 2.0 AND HDCP 2.2 ON THE SAME HDMI INPUT.

Period.
End.
Of.
Story.

Actually I think, or so claim people in authority at Samsung, that the Samsung 4K ‘Super’ UHD 65” TV (don’t recall the model number but, the one with HDR capability) has 4? HDMI 2.0 inputs which are HDCP 2.2 compliant.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

I get tired of the elitist attitude of putting down other people's choices because they can't understand that not everyone operates like they do.

I bought myself (another) 4K tv just last fall… https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ng#post9794746 and I have no regrets as to the purchase.

Plus, humbly, I consider myself fairly well informed as to the nuances of display technology since typical technical reading material for me (not publically available on the internet) consists of professional papers presenting such topics as black level measurements for consumer and professional HDR displays.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by 4K fanatic

Regardless of what rec I have 709/2020, when I eatch breaking bad from my Netflix app w/20mbps speed it blows away my 2011 1080p LG tv....

That’s the important thing.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I bought myself (another) 4K tv just last fall… https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ng#post9794746 and I have no regrets as to the purchase.

Plus, humbly, I consider myself fairly well informed as to the nuances of display technology since typical technical reading material for me (not publically available on the internet) consists of professional papers presenting such topics as black level measurements for consumer and professional HDR displays.

Nice!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Its not being closed minded, more all I have seen of it I disliked
Plus none of the films in my top 100 were shot with it

I don’t think you’ve seen enough samples in a proper viewing environment in order to make an informed judgment, but be that as it may, I do empathize with your concern in regards to HDR remastering of ‘old films’….especially given past misleading statements bordering on outright lies by some Hollywood studio executives with regards to other (non-HDR) remastering projects….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ve#post9553148

But mike, can we ? please be a bit more open minded, or at least HDR-friendly and not disparaging, regarding HDR grading and mastering for new films having honest direct filmmaker involvement, for they appear to like the new tool…https://vimeo.com/123370017?adbsc=so...adbpr=15851618

[4K fanatic]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Generally all the ports are 2.0, and only a few of those (but at least one) is also HDCP 2.2.

AFAIK, only some of the 2013 models do not have HDCP 2.2. But even the initial Sony 4K TVs that did not have them, they offered to come out for free to replace the panel to enable a 2.2 port, as long as you bought one of their media players.

But the lower end models I'm not sure of. I would think they are 4K ready.

I know my brother bought a top of the line 2013 Samsung 4k tv and it doesn't have the vast color amount my tv does not does it have hdmi 2.0 inputs. It has only 1.4- mine is a 2014 model I bought in December. I'm assuming that since my reciever is 2.0 but not hdcp I cannot use it for 4k blu-Ray once available, I'll be forced back to optical. Am I correct in this assumption or since the receiver isn't doing any decoding it'll pass the signal right through for the tvs hdmi input to decide- correct? ( hoping or will be back to 2004 and optical for audio.



I wonder if this is true of the UHD alliance- rec 709 will be standard, not 2020

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/286-la...topics/1838569