Still no DTS-MA Bitstreaming in 2.10!

[Sy-]

Looks like there is still no DTS-MA Bitstreaming in 2.10. What up Sony?

Edit..... No Decoding of it either.... Lame!!!!!

[nhaase]

Well, it's been rumored that it cannot bitstream this or Dolby TrueHD. The big thing is that it cannot internally decode DTSHD-MA, either.

[The Guardian]

I'm guessing it will never be able to bitstream it, but it will be able to decode it eventually, once there is at least one or two standalones on the market that can also do that.

[The Big Blue]

Early 08 is the word I believe.

[blitz6speed]

PS3 will never bitstream the new codecs. It uses HDMI 1.3 chipset, not 1.3a. 1.3 has support for Deep Color but not Bitstreamin. You can only wait for it to be decoded.

[Sy-]

I'd take either!

[Blu-Light]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

PS3 will never bitstream the new codecs. It uses HDMI 1.3 chipset, not 1.3a. 1.3 has support for Deep Color but not Bitstreamin. You can only wait for it to be decoded.

This has never been confirmed or proven to be true (or false) for that matter.

[rock-ranger]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

PS3 will never bitstream the new codecs. It uses HDMI 1.3 chipset, not 1.3a. 1.3 has support for Deep Color but not Bitstreamin. You can only wait for it to be decoded.

Well I think this has not been confirmed at all, it's just speculation if it is really not possible! If it turns out to be true Sony should at least modify the Firmware that it decodes DTS MA and TrueHD and let the standard formats like DD and DTS out as a bitstream without switching the settings.

But to be honest, I still think that it is possible to bitstream everything as there should be enough headroom in the existing chipset to add bitstream out for both, DTS MA and TrueHD...

[Porfie]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

PS3 will never bitstream the new codecs. It uses HDMI 1.3 chipset, not 1.3a. 1.3 has support for Deep Color but not Bitstreamin. You can only wait for it to be decoded.

Read this to see it this clarifies things. This is from HDMI directly.

http://hdmi.com/learningcenter/faq.aspx#q2

Do I need v1.3 HDMI to hear the new Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master HD audio content on HD-DVD or Blu-ray players?

No. The Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus, and DTS-HD Master Audio can be decoded by the playback device into multi-channel Pulse Code Modulation (PCM) digital audio streams, which is an audio format standard that can be sent over any version of HDMI. In fact, all versions of HDMI can support up to 8 channels of PCM audio at 192kHz, 24 bits per sample.

To do this, consumers should ensure that their playback device (such as HD-DVD or Blu-ray player) is capable of decoding these new lossless Dolby & DTS audio formats into the PCM format on the HDMI output, and that the audio device (such as an A/V receiver) is capable of receiving multi-channel PCM audio over the HDMI inputs. Consult your user manual/product specification sheet to determine whether your device supports such PCM capabilities (we believe that nearly all HD-DVD and Blu-ray players will, but users should confirm this). Devices that support HDMI v1.3 and higher may also offer the option to transport the high definition audio formats as a compressed, encoded stream over HDMI so that the decoding function can be performed by the A/V receiver (whereas the above transport method has the playback device performing the decoding).


Q. What is the difference between decoding Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD in the player (i.e. sending over HDMI as decoded PCM) vs. decoding in the A/V receiver (i.e. sending over HDMI as encoded Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD bitstream)?
There is no inherent difference in quality between Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD being sent over HDMI as decoded PCM vs. encoded bit stream. All Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD decoders (whether in the player or the A/V receiver) must be certified to meet stringent quality requirements. However, consumers should make sure that their receivers support the number of incoming PCM channels delivered by their source device (e.g. DVD).


Q. What is the difference in quality between listening to Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD over HDMI, SPDIF (i.e. coax or optical), or analog from the player to the A/V receiver?

HDMI provides the highest quality as it enables the full, lossless audio data of Dolby TrueHD to be transferred digitally to the AV receiver, and enables the A/V receiver to apply its full digital audio processing capabilities (such as bass management, or sound field processing effects) to further enhance the audio quality. SPDIF does not have the ability to support the data rates required by Dolby TrueHD, and thus will not support it. Analog will be lower quality than HDMI due to two reasons: 1) the nature of analog transmission is lossy and will degrade while transported over the cables, 2) many A/V receivers will not apply any digital audio processing to the analog inputs, and in such cases analog signals will be sent directly to the amplifier without the benefit of such processing

[fattyslimslim]

I still don't understand how it couldn't bitstream DTS-MA. Wouldn't you think DTS-MA has a lower bit rate than LPCM (since it is compressed)? I would think if the PS3 could pass a full HD video signal as well as LPCM, why couldn't it just pass DTS-MA? It can't be larger than PCM....maybe I am thinking it is more simple than it really is?

[cam555]

I dont understand how it has enough power to internally decode dts ma but not enough power to just send it to a receiver....doesnt make any sense to me...you think that would be less work for the ps3 to bistream it vs internally decoding it....

[jcdDigix]

IMO that's a marketing strategy. We'll eventually see that update once players with profile 2.0 start hitting the street.

[quetzalcoatl]

Originally Posted by The Guardian

I'm guessing it will never be able to bitstream it, but it will be able to decode it eventually, once there is at least one or two standalones on the market that can also do that.

I think you have it right.


Sony must walk a tightrope here. If they release MA decoing while no other player has it could anger fellow CEs. And they are all in this together. That is what gives Blu its strengh is the fact that it is not one CE doing everything for the prodcut. The first player to be comming with MA decoding is the Denon 2500 and has a rumored street date of end of Dec first of Jan. With a second model hitting about 1 month later.

We also have at this time the CES show early Jan. Where we will see other players announced with what I figure short street dates on them. At this time then they can give out a MA update and be safe since it will not harm the BDA as a whole.

[bferr1]

Originally Posted by The Guardian

I'm guessing it will never be able to bitstream it, but it will be able to decode it eventually, once there is at least one or two standalones on the market that can also do that.

Agreed.

[rock-ranger]

Originally Posted by nhaase

Well, it's been rumored that it cannot bitstream this or Dolby TrueHD. The big thing is that it cannot internally decode DTSHD-MA, either.

I think Sony should release an official statement about that. They should let us know if this will ever be possible for both, internal decoding and bitstreaming!

This is really something which is hardly missed as many discs have DTS MA and TrueHD Tracks...

[krinkle]

Originally Posted by Sy-

Looks like there is still no DTS-MA Bitstreaming in 2.10. What up Sony?

Edit..... No Decoding of it either.... Lame!!!!!

The cell processor is easily powerful enough to decode DTSHD-MA and output PCM.

I am not sure what exactly the holdup is.

1) Maybe DTS wants extra royalties from Sony?
2) Maybe an "official" software based decoder has not been released?

I really hope that they get this feature added soon. I own 2 PS3s, so it would be a big bonus for me.

[blitz6speed]

Ok guys

You just keep waiting for that bitstreaming =) Perhaps holding your breathe will help! I know that the PS3 will never bitstream, ever. It was never designed for that, and in fact, the PS3s HDMI 1.3 still runs at 1.2a till this very day. Argue all you want, decoding is all you will get, which will be here before the end of 1st quarter. Stop complaining!

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by krinkle

The cell processor is easily powerful enough to decode DTSHD-MA and output PCM.

I am not sure what exactly the holdup is.

1) Maybe DTS wants extra royalties from Sony?
2) Maybe an "official" software based decoder has not been released?

I really hope that they get this feature added soon. I own 2 PS3s, so it would be a big bonus for me.

I believe it's #2 -waiting on DTS, then translating it for the PS3. Plus the political sensitivities around SAL players.