difference in HDMI cables

[jkpitcher3]

I am getting a new receiver today so I can have all the next gen audio. I have been looking at all the HMDI cables and the guy at the store said if it does not say 1.3a then it will not do the 7.1 channel surround, just the 5.1. I was wanting to know if that is true. I have always been told on all the forums that all HDMI cables are the same just some cost a lot more because of the brand.

[Sonny]

There are HDMI cables that are "rated" quote on quote, but that sales person is just blowing smoke up your @$$....they want you to buy the 100+$ Monster cable ! monoprice.com Thats all anyboady needs to know I spent less then 5$ each on my HDMI cables & of course they work perfect I get all the Lossless Audio & everything Hope this helps.

[hc666]

Go to Wallyworld and get a cable. Save some money

I use RCA/Phillips HMDI cables from Wallyworld and get 7.1 no prob through my receiver.

[bootman]

How long is the run?
If it is under 3-4M, then anything at Mono is fine.
Longer runs require special cables if you want to keep 1.3 specs throughout. (no, not Monster!)

[Blinkman987]

You should buy the most expensive Monster Cable you can.

[Mouse]

All I got to say is I don't trust cables that only cost $5. It seems like the cost to manufacture them should be more. It's like the old saying, "You get what you pay for." ... in other words "Cheap price equals cheap quality." I have all Sony equipment so I went with Sony HDMI cables that are certified for 1.3a even tho they are only 1 meter long (3 feet). Except the official Sony PS3 HDMI cable... it's a bit longer than 1 meter and is also extremely good quality.

[BStecke]

Originally Posted by Mouse

All I got to say is I don't trust cables that only cost $5. It seems like the cost to manufacture them should be more. It's like the old saying, "You get what you pay for." ... in other words "Cheap price equals cheap quality." I have all Sony equipment so I went with Sony HDMI cables that are certified for 1.3a even tho they are only 1 meter long (3 feet). Except the official Sony PS3 HDMI cable... it's a bit longer than 1 meter and is also extremely good quality.

Don't believe anything in this post. While I have nothing against your personal preferences, that has nothing to do with how the stuff works.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by Mouse

All I got to say is I don't trust cables that only cost $5. It seems like the cost to manufacture them should be more. It's like the old saying, "You get what you pay for." ... in other words "Cheap price equals cheap quality." I have all Sony equipment so I went with Sony HDMI cables that are certified for 1.3a even tho they are only 1 meter long (3 feet). Except the official Sony PS3 HDMI cable... it's a bit longer than 1 meter and is also extremely good quality.

Cool! Your a sucker what can I say....

[obiwopkenobi62]

Originally Posted by Sonny

Cool! Your a sucker what can I say....

Sorry, the expensive cables are just that, more expensive. I have personally tested my system with expensive vs. cheap HDMI cables and there is no difference. Period. I have had friends buy a 350.00 HTIB and then spend a couple hundred dollars on HDMI cables. Ridiculous. Unless you have tested the cables like I have you can't sit there and tell people they are suckers for buying cheaper cables.
The industry, especially Monster has brainwashed a large chunk of consumers into believing that more expensive cables are better.
There was even a case where there were side by side HDTV's with the same DVD playing. One looked worse than the other. The sign said something like see the difference between Monster HDMI and Regular HDMI. Guess what, the person took a picture of the hookups with his cell phone. One TV had Monster HDMI and the other TV was hooked up with RCA jacks.
Talk about deceiving people. I am convinced that these places will do just about anything to get people to buy these high dollar cables. The one I am running right now to my Mit 73"DLP HDTV cost me 1.87 cents at Amazon.com. Guess what, absolutely no difference in quality compared to my 40.00 dollar cable I was running.
They say, the proof is in the pudding, well it is.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by obiwopkenobi62

Sorry, the expensive cables are just that, more expensive. I have personally tested my system with expensive vs. cheap HDMI cables and there is no difference. Period. I have had friends buy a 350.00 HTIB and then spend a couple hundred dollars on HDMI cables. Ridiculous. Unless you have tested the cables like I have you can't sit there and tell people they are suckers for buying cheaper cables.
The industry, especially Monster has brainwashed a large chunk of consumers into believing that more expensive cables are better.
There was even a case where there were side by side HDTV's with the same DVD playing. One looked worse than the other. The sign said something like see the difference between Monster HDMI and Regular HDMI. Guess what, the person took a picture of the hookups with his cell phone. One TV had Monster HDMI and the other TV was hooked up with RCA jacks.
Talk about deceiving people. I am convinced that these places will do just about anything to get people to buy these high dollar cables. The one I am running right now to my Mit 73"DLP HDTV cost me 1.87 cents at Amazon.com. Guess what, absolutely no difference in quality compared to my 40.00 dollar cable I was running.
They say, the proof is in the pudding, well it is.

read the thread. I have all monoprice , so I don't even know what your talking about , & neither do you for that matter...I was calling the guy who paid a bunch for cables the sucker. Wake up!

[jibucha]

Hello

I hope that this HDMI cable information is helpful here.

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Remarkably, these cables are quite reasonably priced, at least as I perceive things; for a 1M cable, they are $20.36. Most importantly, they are verified HDMI 1.3b Compliant, which is the most up to date HDMI standard; at least to my current knowledge.

Performance wise, they are without qualification, as HDMI 1.3b compliant, means that they meet the most recent testing qualifications available by the HDMI Organization for optimal performance.

What may be interesting, is that 1080p is only guaranteed to 13ft. as I recall; which by the way, is representative of all HDMI cables. As far as any audio codec issues; they support everything without qualification, meeting the most current specifications for HDMI.

It might be helpful to anyone not knowledgeable of Belden Wire & Cable, that their cables are widely used in the broadcast industry, representing unparalleled cable performance and quality for decades.

Additionally, I should mention, that while I do not have the actual test results of their cables handy at the moment, I did view actual performance test data, which included comparison of generally available HDMI cables; the test data was quite informative and definitive of their obvious superior performance. I will try to locate the test data for anyone that might require it.

I am providing contact information here for where I was able to acquire these remarkable cables, as I am confidant that they are not widely known or available; I hope that this information is helpful and not interpreted otherwise.

Joseph Electronics
www.josephelectronics.com
800.323.5925 l x308 l George Chiappetta

Ask for George, as to my knowledge, he is the individual most knowledgeable of these cables at this company.

Thank You

[un4gvn94538]

Originally Posted by Mouse

All I got to say is I don't trust cables that only cost $5. It seems like the cost to manufacture them should be more. It's like the old saying, "You get what you pay for." ... in other words "Cheap price equals cheap quality." I have all Sony equipment so I went with Sony HDMI cables that are certified for 1.3a even tho they are only 1 meter long (3 feet). Except the official Sony PS3 HDMI cable... it's a bit longer than 1 meter and is also extremely good quality.

*cough*bose*cough*

[jkpitcher3]

Thanks for the information. I already have some cheaper hdmi cables adn the video is just as good as the expensive one I have. I had just never heard about not being able to receive the 7.1 lossless audio through the cheaper ones before. It isn't the first time someone from store told me a flat lie.

[guitarist155]

Originally Posted by Mouse

All I got to say is I don't trust cables that only cost $5. It seems like the cost to manufacture them should be more. It's like the old saying, "You get what you pay for." ... in other words "Cheap price equals cheap quality." I have all Sony equipment so I went with Sony HDMI cables that are certified for 1.3a even tho they are only 1 meter long (3 feet). Except the official Sony PS3 HDMI cable... it's a bit longer than 1 meter and is also extremely good quality.

price will not always reflect quality think of it this way when you buy a blu-ray at best buy you pay more than amazon but it is the same blu-ray. now it is not just a matter of getting there or not as hdmi does not have error correction so the color might be a bit off, but, at short distances this is not likely. just like sound, use your eyes if it looks great to you it is great. i say mono price is great, but if you are not sure about really cheap cables and want to spend a little more money still stay away from bestbuy for cables. go to bluejeanscable and pick up a series -1 hdmi they have the tests to prove it is one of the best, it is great and alot cheaper than BB

having said that as a comparison to every day life, people get taken, alot, like shopping at walmart, their tires, lawnmowers, and sewing machines are made for walmart and are made with pig metal and cheaper parts and yet people still shop there. these same people will go out and say that there 1000 dollar cable is better than a $50 one. but will chew you out if you say anything about where they shop.

so take all advice with a grain of salt, even the pros, if you like it it's fine but that does not make them wrong when they give you a way to save money

[Mouse]

Originally Posted by guitarist155

price will not always reflect quality think of it this way when you buy a blu-ray at best buy you pay more than amazon but it is the same blu-ray. now it is not just a matter of getting there or not as hdmi does not have error correction so the color might be a bit off, but, at short distances this is not likely. just like sound, use your eyes if it looks great to you it is great. i say mono price is great, but if you are not sure about really cheap cables and want to spend a little more money still stay away from bestbuy for cables. go to bluejeanscable and pick up a series -1 hdmi they have the tests to prove it is one of the best, it is great and alot cheaper than BB

Blu-ray movies are not a good analogy. They are all manufactured the same just some retailers mark up the price higher than others. But cables have many different companies making them and some companies do a better job. Now the signal may be digital and may get there all the same but what happens if you try to unplug that cable and the end connection just falls off because it was so cheaply put together? What if you slightly bend the casing and the cables on the inside break apart so the signal can not get thru? I'm not saying people should get Monster cables, I agree that they are extremely over-priced. But I just personally do not trust $5 cables due to the costs involved in making them. Now you may have tested cables but I have made them. If you don't get a good connection then your cable is worthless.

[BStecke]

Originally Posted by Mouse

Blu-ray movies are not a good analogy. They are all manufactured the same just some retailers mark up the price higher than others. But cables have many different companies making them and some companies do a better job. Now the signal may be digital and may get there all the same but what happens if you try to unplug that cable and the end connection just falls off because it was so cheaply put together? What if you slightly bend the casing and the cables on the inside break apart so the signal can not get thru? I'm not saying people should get Monster cables, I agree that they are extremely over-priced. But I just personally do not trust $5 cables due to the costs involved in making them. Now you may have tested cables but I have made them. If you don't get a good connection then your cable is worthless.

Heh . . . have you ever seen a Monoprice cable, or especially a Blue Jeans cable? I'd put the build quality of either up against Monster ANY day. It may not look as fancy, but functionality over form.

A Lancer Evolution will put the smack down on MANY cars that are more than twice its price . . . it may not look as good, but it's performance is still as good or better.

[Y3k Bug]

Originally Posted by Mouse

... but what happens if you try to unplug that cable and the end connection just falls off because it was so cheaply put together? What if you slightly bend the casing and the cables on the inside break apart so the signal can not get thru?

That is a very good point. I can say however that the Monoprice cables are extremely well made in that regard...they really are a ridiculously good value.

[Roland1919]

Originally Posted by Sonny

There are HDMI cables that are "rated" quote on quote, but that sales person is just blowing smoke up your @$$....they want you to buy the 100+$ Monster cable ! monoprice.com Thats all anyboady needs to know I spent less then 5$ each on my HDMI cables & of course they work perfect I get all the Lossless Audio & everything Hope this helps.

Thank You...Very well posted indeed. I am tired of this argument, buy HDMI cables on Amazon for $10, plug 'em, sit down, shut the F*** Up and enjoy the movie experience. I guarantee your not gonna say - "OH my GOd I should have gotten the $900 Monster cables...spend the money saved on other goodies....

[dk3dknight]

Originally Posted by Roland1919

Thank You...Very well posted indeed. I am tired of this argument, buy HDMI cables on Amazon for $10, plug 'em, sit down, shut the F*** Up and enjoy the movie experience. I guarantee your not gonna say - "OH my GOd I should have gotten the $900 Monster cables...spend the money saved on other goodies....

I could never imagine paying that for a cable that is ridicolous ($900) unless it was diamond plated, ruby encrusted, and connectors are made from 100% gold bars.

I admit I cheated and bought a $4.77 from a local store, it was on the way to buying my tv so it worked for me.

But regardless if everyone is happy ive noticed these hdmi debates go no where...

[Roland1919]

Originally Posted by dk3dknight

I could never imagine paying that for a cable that is ridicolous ($900) unless it was diamond plated, ruby encrusted, and connectors are made from 100% gold bars.

I admit I cheated and bought a $4.77 from a local store, it was on the way to buying my tv so it worked for me.

But regardless if everyone is happy ive noticed these hdmi debates go no where...

dk3...I was kidding...LMAO Thanks buddy this makes for a great 200th post. Thank You, Thank, You now sit down.....