XDE - Toshiba still hasn't given up

[RedIsNotBlue]

Originally Posted by MountainBlu

Blu-ray is doing fine without them... so what does it matter?

Because Blu-ray can be doing even better with their support. I really don't get how you don't understand that?

Will Blu-ray fail without Toshiba? Nope.

Will Toshiba's backing help them? Yes.

Are Toshiba childish, stubborn pricks? Yes.

Pretty simple.

[MountainBlu]

Originally Posted by robinandtami

Actually it was sarcasm. I don't understand why anyone would think that trying to improve upscaling technology is in any way a bad thing.

Agreed.

I am all for advancing technology and improving my movie viewing. And who knows what great future advances Toshiba will contribute to TVs, players, etc...?! I won't be buying their XDE player because I have a Blu-ray player but they might offer something cool down the road.

[MountainBlu]

Originally Posted by RedIsNotBlue

Because Blu-ray can be doing even better with their support. I really don't get how you don't understand that?

Will Blu-ray fail without Toshiba? Nope.

Will Toshiba's backing help them? Yes.

Are Toshiba childish, stubborn pricks? Yes.

Pretty simple.

I'll send Toshiba an email and ask them to please join Blu-ray. It seems to be breaking your little heart. Would that make you happy?

[Excalibur-king]

Originally Posted by RedIsNotBlue

Because Blu-ray can be doing even better with their support. I really don't get how you don't understand that?

Will Blu-ray fail without Toshiba? Nope.

Will Toshiba's backing help them? Yes.

Are Toshiba childish, stubborn pricks? Yes.

Pretty simple.

Who is toshiba again?

im sure i dont own a single toshiba product in my home and when i go to electronic stores its harder to find a toshiba product then it is to find binladen.

[Memnoch71]

Originally Posted by MountainBlu

I'll send Toshiba an email and ask them to please join Blu-ray. It seems to be breaking your little heart. Would that make you happy?

ROFL!!! That was great.

However the only problem I have with Toshiba is their Advertising. A lot of companies have good Upscaling DVD Players, but it seems that Toshiba is trying to convince the Public that buying theirs is just as good as having a Blu-Ray player. That is a whopper of a false statement and it only adds to the confusion in the market. If there was any truth to it I would have no problem with it, but let's get real, it is just their way of trying to stick it to the other companies that came out on top in the HD vs Blu format war.

[CrabbyAzz]

Originally Posted by Memnoch71

ROFL!!! That was great.

However the only problem I have with Toshiba is their Advertising. A lot of companies have good Upscaling DVD Players, but it seems that Toshiba is trying to convince the Public that buying theirs is just as good as having a Blu-Ray player. That is a whopper of a false statement and it only adds to the confusion in the market. If there was any truth to it I would have no problem with it, but let's get real, it is just their way of trying to stick it to the other companies that came out on top in the HD vs Blu format war.

Well it seems Sony advertises their upscaling players the same way..
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...tegoryId=27883

Glorious 1080P!!!

[Anthony P]

Well, cheap up scalers seem to be selling pretty well, in case you haven't noticed.

but this is not a cheap upscaler (unless you mean the quality) it is very expensive for a DVD player and almost on par with cheaper BD players.

[Anthony P]

I don't see why people are so bent out of shape over Toshiba making an upscaling DVD player. Enjoy your Blu-ray players

I don't think people have an issue with Toshiba having the XDE player.

for me the issue is
1) idiots pretending this actualy looks good (even though they never saw it) or better then any other player

2) that this makes a difference in the format war (after all anyone that wants uality will buy BD and anyone that does not care that much has a much cheaper solution)

3) that this makes business sense when in reality iit is just an over reaction at being PO that BD won and will cost them a lot of business.

[CrabbyAzz]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

but this is not a cheap upscaler (unless you mean the quality) it is very expensive for a DVD player and almost on par with cheaper BD players.

The Toshiba XDE player has a list price of $99. I'm sure the street price will be lower. And Sony is selling their upscaler for $79. Since this is old technology with a new scaler chip, I'm sure the profit margin is really nice.

I want to see DVD and VHS go away as soon as possible. But business is business. I would imagine the profit margin on these players is much higher than Blu-Ray would be for Toshiba. And I'm sure they are priced to weather plenty of price erosion and still be profitable.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Originally Posted by MountainBlu

I'll send Toshiba an email and ask them to please join Blu-ray. It seems to be breaking your little heart. Would that make you happy?

Yes it is breaking my heart. Every Toshiba product I have had so far I have hated. But yeah sorry about having an opinion and thoughts on a subject I must have misunderstood the point of a forum...my bad.

[Anthony P]

I would imagine the profit margin on these players is much higher than Blu-Ray would be for Toshiba

I would imagine I am a billionaire, that is the thing about imagination it does not need to be based on facts.

[MountainBlu]

Originally Posted by RedIsNotBlue

Yes it is breaking my heart. Every Toshiba product I have had so far I have hated. But yeah sorry about having an opinion and thoughts on a subject I must have misunderstood the point of a forum...my bad.

Apologies to you Red. I'd much rather discuss the joys of blu-ray ownership than bicker over a Toshiba upconverter that neither one of us is planning to buy.
Have a good holiday!

[andyman1970]

Originally Posted by shaka

Who is toshiba again?

im sure i dont own a single toshiba product in my home and when i go to electronic stores its harder to find a toshiba product then it is to find binladen.

So VERY true. I can't remember the last time I saw a Toshiba product anywhere. In fact I thought they were gone years ago until HD DVD came along. I think this was supposed to bring them back, but...that's history now and if Toshiba keeps making decisions like this they will be too.

[CrabbyAzz]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I would imagine I am a billionaire, that is the thing about imagination it does not need to be based on facts.

Well a little more than that. I'm in the electronics industry and one of my specialties is estimating the manufacturing cost of competitors products. But then again common sense is all thats required. You have the same old $30 (retail) DVD player with a new plastic facade and a new scaler chip selling for $99. On the other hand you have a brand new cutting edge technology Blu-Ray player, which shares almost nothing with DVD approaching the $200 price point. Add to that the Blu-Ray development and tooling cost is not nearly paid for as yet. You do the math.

Once again you got the Blu Glasses on. You keep thinking of Blu-Ray with a scorched earth mentality. Like everything else was going to go away when HD-DVD died.

[CrabbyAzz]

Originally Posted by MountainBlu

Apologies to you Red. I'd much rather discuss the joys of blu-ray ownership than bicker over a Toshiba upconverter that neither one of us is planning to buy.
Have a good holiday!

+1

I will post no more on this topic.

[UFAlien]

Originally Posted by CrabbyAzz

The Toshiba XDE player has a list price of $99. I'm sure the street price will be lower. And Sony is selling their upscaler for $79. Since this is old technology with a new scaler chip, I'm sure the profit margin is really nice.

I want to see DVD and VHS go away as soon as possible. But business is business. I would imagine the profit margin on these players is much higher than Blu-Ray would be for Toshiba. And I'm sure they are priced to weather plenty of price erosion and still be profitable.

Wait... where's he getting $99 from? The website clearly states the list price as $150...

[PaulGo]

Considering the price drop of Blu-ray players and the fact that they do an excellent job in upscaling DVD movies, I do not think the XDE players are competitive.

Toshiba may have blown yet another large amount of cash in developing a product without a real consumer demand.

[Rob71]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

Considering the price drop of Blu-ray players and the fact that they do an excellent job in upscaling DVD movies, I do not think the XDE players are competitive.

Toshiba may have blown yet another large amount of cash in developing a product without a real consumer demand.

IDK, does smoke and mirror development really cost that much?

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

Considering the price drop of Blu-ray players and the fact that they do an excellent job in upscaling DVD movies, I do not think the XDE players are competitive.

Toshiba may have blown yet another large amount of cash in developing a product without a real consumer demand.

The XDE500 is now available online for $89. But, you're right, when people see all the sub $200 Blu-ray players they will jump at the Blu-ray, or wait a while more, rather than dumping ~$100 on just another DVD player.

Funny how it used to be about hitting $199. And now Blu-ray players are there the number has magically been reset down.

Apparently the key price point for consumers is always $100 less than what Blu-ray sells for. How conveeeeeeeenient.

Gary

[Bobby Henderson]

That "XDE" DVD player is available from Amazon for $89. Nevertheless, the MSRP for the player is still $149.99. It wouldn't surprise me to see some retail stores selling it for over $100.

$90, $100, etc. -it's all good money thrown after bad at this point in buying a replacement DVD player with just another DVD player. Back in 1999 when DVD was picking up momentum in mainstream adoption the player prices were in the $300-$400 range. Blu-ray is at that same developmental point in time and the standalone player prices are coming in for less in real dollars, and significantly less when you factor in the rate of inflation between 1999 dollars and 2008 dollar value.

Blu-ray players are affordable now. Even sub-$300 prices for the newest BD Live players from Panasonic and Sony are affordable. The popular notion that Blu-ray players have to cost under $99 or even less before anyone will buy them is just plain silly.