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Member-222782 · 03-23-2018, 08:45 PM

There seems to be a flood of new UHD announcements lately for some major titles - maybe the studios are backtracking a bit?

Pyoko · 03-23-2018, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

I was extremely impressed with how the VFX held up in, say, Starship Troopers (which got a crisp new 4K transfer from Sony), in terms of both the actual VFX work itself and the subsequent film-out of it.

It was pretty good overall. I'd say maybe half of the VFX shots were barely noticeable, while others had almost optical-level drops in quality, I don't know if perhaps there were shots with both digital and optical VFX.

For some reason all of the chroma shots (spaceship interiors with space visible through the windows) looked really bad, very blurry and noisy (the latter can be attributed to spill suppression wrecking the grain in the same channel as the chroma color.)

Geoff D · 03-23-2018, 09:07 PM

As I said in the rest of that ^ post I think there's some actual opticals in there too, e.g. the 'laser tag' stuff.

Stuff that's been keyed like those bridge shots tends to come off worse, yeah, but I didn't think that they all looked as bad as you say.

Brightstar · 03-23-2018, 09:13 PM

will Jurassic World be a Upscaled 4K ?

Indiana Jones · 03-23-2018, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Brightstar

will Jurassic World be a Upscaled 4K ?

Yes as it was finished in 2K.

Geoff D · 03-23-2018, 09:30 PM

2.4K, in point of fact.

Pyoko · 03-23-2018, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

Stuff that's been keyed like those bridge shots tends to come off worse, yeah, but I didn't think that they all looked as bad as you say.

Perhaps, I thought they were pretty damn noticeable when sandwiched in between 4K shots tho...

Vangeli · 03-23-2018, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by geoff d

2.4k, in point of fact.

its not enough ks false advertising im getting the dvd

gkolb · 03-23-2018, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Vangeli

its not enough ks false advertising im getting the dvd

Oh you stickler...

FilmFreakosaurus · 03-23-2018, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Reality is most CG of today is invisible and undetectable.

I don't agree. In fact, I would say it's getting more cartoonish, especially on wall to wall CGI fests like Marvel and Star Wars.

Vangeli · 03-23-2018, 10:20 PM

I loved that the JP CG was very close to the motion of the animatronics and looked very real in that way.

That's why the aliens (save for like, two shots) looked so real in Alien: Covenant; they were all puppeteered and captured in-camera then enhanced with CG. The motion, the most difficult thing to make real with CGI, was for the most part completely believable.

I remember people were all like "I hate these CG aliens! So fake!" and I was like "mine eyes don't deceive" and I ended up being completely right.

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At least with this Xeno I think they had not a man in a suit, but a puppet. It looks like they covered up rigging or reflections on the Xeno head. The center line down the head looks off, both the movement and reflections, and it even develops an off-white glow. And the same area in the poster has some noise inconsistencies.

But the muscles are totally CGI, the way they jiggle wildly. The tail and "wings" evoke the practical motion in the first Alien movies, as does most of the torso. So yeah, I believe this one is practical but with some light CGI-tweaking and completely CGI legs and arms. The overall motion is super realistic (and awkward, like it's a puppet), so if this Xeno somehow IS completely CGI, they're blowing my mind.

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

Personally I thought that Xeno was all CG the moment I laid eyes on it. Gonna be interesting to see the VFX breakdowns on this one.

Anyway, puppets altered with CGI are the most realistic creature effects that modern visual effects can handle right now. Motion is hard and Jurassic World is still kinda smarmy with all the full-CG dinos.

Geoff D · 03-23-2018, 10:48 PM

Um, but you're not right. That shot up there ^ is 100% digital. They did indeed use practical Xeno's on-set, fully made-up, using either suits or inanimate models for lighting and performance references, but they ended up eradicating most of them from the final version and replacing them with keyframed digital versions, there's but a handful of practical xeno shots in the entire film. Don't believe me? This was stated in the run-up to the Academy Awards:

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Originally Posted by Cremildo

The VFX bake-off (for the Academy Awards) is happening right now. This guy on Twitter is reporting it live:

And it's also confirmed by this VFX article, in case you still don't believe me. I'm sure I posted this somewhere on here in response to your good self but I'm damned if I can find the post, so here it is again, for the first time.

https://www.cartoonbrew.com/feature-...on-150881.html

The motion of the creatures has always looked really fake to me in Covenant, there's just no weight to the CG beasties in this show. Even the facehuggers don't escape the CG, not even when they're attached to people's faces: http://www.artofvfx.com/alien-covena...rs-framestore/

[edit] Ah, found it, it was someone else who I was taking to task but I gave you a shout-out anyway, Vangeli!

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...8#post14536338

Vangeli · 03-23-2018, 11:04 PM

You've got to be kidding me!

Wow. Consider my mind blown!

Geoff D · 03-23-2018, 11:09 PM

What can I say? Some of us are blessed/cursed with The Sight (a.k.a. Geoffy Vision™), while others be like

Snicket · 03-24-2018, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

I don't agree. In fact, I would say it's getting more cartoonish, especially on wall to wall CGI fests like Marvel and Star Wars.

I would direct you to any VFX special feature of a recent David Fincher film for correction.

FilmFreakosaurus · 03-24-2018, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Snicket

I would direct you to any VFX special feature of a recent David Fincher film for correction.

Fincher is not your average filmmaker who doesn't know how to use the tools available to greatest effectiveness. He also uses practical, in-camera effects too and normally far more than digital.

There is still way more bad CGI than good.

Snicket · 03-24-2018, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Fincher is not your average filmmaker who doesn't know how to use the tools available to greatest effectiveness. He also uses practical, in-camera effects too and normally far more than digital.

There is still way more bad CGI than good.

*yawn* whatever. I don’t even know what I was expecting.

FilmFreakosaurus · 03-24-2018, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Snicket

*yawn* whatever. I don’t even know what I was expecting.

Mature. Very mature.

RalphoR · 03-24-2018, 05:02 AM

The 4k JP four movie set is available on Amazon with a release date of 5/28/18. Is this a new listing with a new release date or is it the same date where people are getting canceled notifications about? I'm getting the BB steel book so I never preordered this.

PeterTHX · 03-24-2018, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

I don't agree. In fact, I would say it's getting more cartoonish, especially on wall to wall CGI fests like Marvel and Star Wars.

Can you tell me where the cartoony FX are?

This is the type of CG done most these days.

Or even stuff like this:

https://vimeo.com/231776227

03-23-2018, 08:45 PM	#941
Member-222782 Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Jun 2012 4K collection:645 Blu-ray collection:4556 DVD collection:474 Trading Score:140	There seems to be a flood of new UHD announcements lately for some major titles - maybe the studios are backtracking a bit?

03-23-2018, 09:07 PM	#943
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	As I said in the rest of that ^ post I think there's some actual opticals in there too, e.g. the 'laser tag' stuff. Stuff that's been keyed like those bridge shots tends to come off worse, yeah, but I didn't think that they all looked as bad as you say.

03-23-2018, 09:13 PM	#944
Brightstar Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Mar 2011 Blu-ray collection:39 Blu-ray reviews:4	will Jurassic World be a Upscaled 4K ?

03-23-2018, 09:30 PM	#946
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	2.4K, in point of fact.

03-23-2018, 11:04 PM	#953
Vangeli Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Apr 2017 Location:Maine, US Trading Score:3	You've got to be kidding me! Wow. Consider my mind blown!

03-23-2018, 11:09 PM	#954
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	What can I say? Some of us are blessed/cursed with The Sight (a.k.a. Geoffy Vision™), while others be like

03-24-2018, 05:02 AM	#959
RalphoR Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Oct 2013 Location:The Forbidden Valley of NE Ohio Trading Score:13	The 4k JP four movie set is available on Amazon with a release date of 5/28/18. Is this a new listing with a new release date or is it the same date where people are getting canceled notifications about? I'm getting the BB steel book so I never preordered this.

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