Blu-ray transfer of old movies - Page 5 - Blu-ray Forum

4K2K · 10-27-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by vamsilak

now the tv shows that are on bluray with 480p resolution
are they fake....NO but they are nor real bluray spec;s
please correct me if iam wrong?
thanks in advance

I didn't think there were any TV shows on Blu-ray encoded on Blu-ray with 480p resolution. I think there's bonus features on Blu-ray that are encoded in SD (480 line) resolution.

If there were any TV shows encoded with 480 lines on Blu-ray, they'd be within the Blu-ray specs (as Blu-ray allows decoding of standard definition video), but they wouldn't be high definition.

Sussudio · 10-28-2008, 02:18 PM

This process has continued to intrigue me, especially movies like Casablanca or 2001 that look absolutely stunning in HD, yet were obviously not filmed in a technology even close to it.

Does anyone know how more detail is brought out of movies that weren't filmed that way (I'm assuming it's a painstaking frame by frame process)?

stockstar1138 · 10-28-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DoYouBlu

yet were obviously not filmed in a technology even close to it.

actually they were. its called film, much higher resolutions than 1080p.

Sussudio · 10-28-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by stockstar1138

actually they were. its called film, much higher resolutions than 1080p.

well ok then

kpkelley · 10-28-2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DoYouBlu

well ok then

If you're still interested in learning more about restorations check out these columns by our very own Robert A. Harris for The Digital Bits, very informative.

Link

Sussudio · 10-28-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kpkelley

If you're still interested in learning more about restorations check out these columns by our very own Robert A. Harris for The Digital Bits, very informative.

Link

oh awesome, i definitely am thanks!

JimShaw · 10-28-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kpkelley

If you're still interested in learning more about restorations check out these columns by our very own Robert A. Harris for The Digital Bits, very informative.

Link

Great link and info. Thanks.

quexos · 10-28-2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by stockstar1138

actually they were. its called film, much higher resolutions than 1080p.

Exactly, many people do not seem to understand that a film intended for a huge cinema screen is by definition the highest possible definition and any digital transfer would create lines of definition which are always inferior to the film. But it does not matter unless people plan to have TV's as big as cinema screens which can't be.

Beta Man · 10-29-2008, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by quexos

Exactly, many people do not seem to understand that a film intended for a huge cinema screen is by definition the highest possible definition and any digital transfer would create lines of definition which are always inferior to the film. But it does not matter unless people plan to have TV's as big as cinema screens which can't be.

Some people can...... maybe not there yet, but people can!!!!

I can't find the picture.... but there is a member at AVS that has a screen that I "Believe" is approximately 20 feet wide

snootypoodle · 09-15-2009, 08:45 PM

If anyone wants great info on bluray transfer process, watch the extras on Baraka. Baraka is, for many people, considered their "reference" disk for HighDef quality.
Also, Baraka was filmed in the early 90's on 65mm.

Beta Man · 09-15-2009, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by snootypoodle

If anyone wants great info on bluray transfer process, watch the extras on Baraka. Baraka is, for many people, considered their "reference" disk for HighDef quality.
Also, Baraka was filmed in the early 90's on 65mm.

Some say Baraka suffers from Edge Enhancement, or possibly simulated effects of it during the downsampling process to get to 1080p......

I say it's reference..... This is one instance where I'm glad I can't see those flaws.

syncguy · 09-16-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Beta Man

....

I say it's reference..... This is one instance where I'm glad I can't see those flaws.

+1
I am considering baraka as reference quality as well. It shows the quality of the 65mm film and the due diligence given during the transfer process.

kris26 · 09-16-2009, 02:29 PM

Iam wondering

whats the resolution on film that it gets to theatres?
i kow the 35mm negitive is 4k

KubrickFan · 09-16-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kris26

Iam wondering

whats the resolution on film that it gets to theatres?
i kow the 35mm negitive is 4k

It's estimated to be about 2K.

syncguy · 09-17-2009, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KubrickFan

It's estimated to be about 2K.

I expect a 4K scan of the original would be needed to get theater-equivalent 2K resolution on to blu-ray.

Anthony P · 09-17-2009, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kris26

Iam wondering

whats the resolution on film that it gets to theatres?
i kow the 35mm negitive is 4k

35mm negative is above 4k, but theatrical presentation would depend on the theatre and set-up, but it can be below 1080p.
at least according to the research done for the ITU sub group6

the reason is two fold,
1) every time film is "copied" there is loss, and you have the original negative, then the intra-positive, the answer print (negative used to make the copies) and release print (theatrical version of the movie). then you
2) the equipment set-up in the theatre.

42041 · 09-17-2009, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kris26

Iam wondering

whats the resolution on film that it gets to theatres?
i kow the 35mm negitive is 4k

Around where I'm at, the two big multiplexes around here are so blurry that it's probably closer to 720p. Either the film prints aren't very detailed to begin with or those projectors are seriously out of focus. Yet another reason to stay at home and watch movies on my Pioneer

RiseDarthVader · 09-17-2009, 06:57 AM

most films getting Digital Intermediates are scanned in at 2K. Sony does all theirs in 4K though and Warner Bros had The Dark Knight in 4K. Also if the projectors are out of focus then complain! Don't just sit there and expect it to fix itself when the projectionists are running around lacing the next projectors on their run time sheet.

Suntory_Times · 09-17-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RiseDarthVader

most films getting Digital Intermediates are scanned in at 2K. Sony does all theirs in 4K though and Warner Bros had The Dark Knight in 4K. Also if the projectors are out of focus then complain! Don't just sit there and expect it to fix itself when the projectionists are running around lacing the next projectors on their run time sheet.

To be honest though you shouldn't have to.

syncguy · 09-18-2009, 12:26 AM

4K is needed, I think, to get the best out of a 2K display. If the scan is at 2K, errors will be introduced when 2K scan is mapped on to a 2K display.

10-28-2008, 02:18 PM	#82
Sussudio Blu-ray Champion Member since:Sep 2008 Blu-ray collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:11	How are old movies upgraded to HD? This process has continued to intrigue me, especially movies like Casablanca or 2001 that look absolutely stunning in HD, yet were obviously not filmed in a technology even close to it. Does anyone know how more detail is brought out of movies that weren't filmed that way (I'm assuming it's a painstaking frame by frame process)?

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snootypoodle Junior Member Member since:Mar 2009 Blu-ray reviews:3	If anyone wants great info on bluray transfer process, watch the extras on Baraka. Baraka is, for many people, considered their "reference" disk for HighDef quality. Also, Baraka was filmed in the early 90's on 65mm.

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