The Official IMPRINT Thread (Aussie Boutique Label)

[james.f.fleming]

Originally Posted by kuzronk

I was going to post this in the general thread but I got followed by this scammer pretending to be Imprint, just a warning for everybody.

Always the dead giveaway for any scam artist - bad grammar.

[james.f.fleming]

Originally Posted by DawnShadow

Look at the comparisons on DVDBeaver. You can see the difference. It's not hard.

Literally the point I'm making is that they are bad at compression, not that they are using inferior prints.

I own both releases and have done an in-person comparison. I can't see any outlying digital artifacting that would indicate a poor encoding job by Imprint. Even DVDBeaver seems to feel they are almost identical if you read the review:

"The Garment Jungle is also compared and looks almost exactly like the Indicator transfer of earlier this year."

Actually, the only issues they mention with any of the films in the Essential Noir set are source related (ie Alias Nick Beal). So, I don't know what you're referring to, mate.

[DawnShadow]

Young eyes I guess? If you can’t see it, good for you. The fact that one disc is a BD-50 and one is a BD-25, and both look identical to you, still proves that Imprint is needlessly spending extra money to compensate for their poor compression.

STOCK UPDATE
Breakdown has 29 copies left at Imprint
Black Sunday is SOLD OUT at Imprint
FIVE has 20 copies left at Imprint
The Apostle has 21 copies left at Imprint
The Bad News Bears has 20 copies left at Imprint
The Bridges at Toko-ri has 23 copies left at Imprint

The bundle is sold out too, so if International buyers want Black Sunday they’d better act quick.

[lemonski]

Originally Posted by DawnShadow

Young eyes I guess? If you can’t see it, good for you. The fact that one disc is a BD-50 and one is a BD-25, and both look identical to you, still proves that Imprint is needlessly spending extra money to compensate for their poor compression.

Setting your faulty logic aside, maybe you could post a couple of screen captures from each disc to illustrate your claim, including a description of where the differences are - just for us old folks with bad eyes.

[DawnShadow]

Originally Posted by lemonski

Setting your faulty logic aside, maybe you could post a couple of screen captures from each disc to illustrate your claim, including a description of where the differences are - just for us old folks with bad eyes.

You’ve already looked at the screenshots that illustrate my claim. If you can’t see it, you can’t see it.

[lemonski]

Originally Posted by DawnShadow

You’ve already looked at the screenshots that illustrate my claim. If you can’t see it, you can’t see it.

You say that, but I’ve asked twice now where exactly in the screenshots these differences are and you haven’t backed it up. If they’re so obvious, you should have no problem describing them.

[DawnShadow]

Originally Posted by lemonski

You say that, but I’ve asked twice now where exactly in the screenshots these differences are and you haven’t backed it up. If they’re so obvious, you should have no problem describing them.

Fine. The entire screenshot. Every instance of visible grain, there’s less of it in the Imprint screenshot than the Indicator one. Didn’t help, did it?

[noirjunkie]

Originally Posted by DawnShadow

Fine. The entire screenshot. Every instance of visible grain, there’s less of it in the Imprint screenshot than the Indicator one. Didn’t help, did it?

Are you really saying you're seeing a big difference between these two screen grabs? Because I can't see any significant variations between them--and certainly not anything that would be noticeable in motion.

Indicator: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/12/columbia...__blu-ray_.jpg

Imprint: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/12/essentia...__blu-ray_.jpg

[james.f.fleming]

Originally Posted by noirjunkie

Are you really saying you're seeing a big difference between these two screen grabs? Because I can't see any significant variations between them--and certainly not anything that would be noticeable in motion.

Indicator: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/12/columbia...__blu-ray_.jpg

Imprint: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/12/essentia...__blu-ray_.jpg

Thanks for the links. There is no visible difference, mate. He's just trolling at this stage. Also, the fact that he's arguing that a movie that's only an hour and a half long on a BD50 should automatically look better than the same film on a BD25, and that if it doesn't, it is somehow a sign of faulty encoding on Imprint's part, shows this guy doesn't really know what he's talking about. There would be plenty of overhead on both discs regardless.

But he's young apparently, so there's hope for him yet.

[DawnShadow]

Originally Posted by james.f.fleming

But he's young apparently, so there's hope for him yet.

Yeah, hope for my eyesight to deteriorate. I look forward to it.

Originally Posted by noirjunkie

Are you really saying you're seeing a big difference between these two screen grabs? Because I can't see any significant variations between them--and certainly not anything that would be noticeable in motion.

No I’m not. I have at no point said I’m seeing a big difference. I am however seeing a difference, because it is clearly there. Noticeable in motion? No. But the point is, the grain retention is worse on the Imprint Blu-ray due to poorer compression. And since the Imprint Blu-ray is a BD-50 and the Indicator one is a BD-25, that clearly tells us that Imprint’s compression is not up to the standard of Indicator’s. Even if there was no difference between the shots, it would still prove that Imprint’s compression is worse because they needed double the bitrate to achieve what Indicator did.

I am not saying that Imprint’s disc looks bad. It looks quite good. However I am not going to pretend that I can’t see that less detail is retained in the Imprint screenshots. Sorry Wrong Number looked bad. And that was due to the same compression issues - just to a much larger extent. The version of Sorry Wrong Number streaming on Amazon looks much better than the Imprint despite both clearly being from the same master. So yes the compression might not be a huge deal for this specific title, but it is for some past ones and no doubt will be for future ones. You guys aren’t doing yourselves any favours by pretending the issues don’t exist.

[Gerby]

I can't see any difference between those 2 screengrabs either & i'm looking at them on a 49" HDTV. Even the grain structure looks identical.

[james.f.fleming]

Originally Posted by DawnShadow

Yeah, hope for my eyesight to deteriorate. I look forward to it.


No I’m not. I have at no point said I’m seeing a big difference. I am however seeing a difference, because it is clearly there. Noticeable in motion? No. But the point is, the grain retention is worse on the Imprint Blu-ray due to poorer compression. And since the Imprint Blu-ray is a BD-50 and the Indicator one is a BD-25, that clearly tells us that Imprint’s compression is not up to the standard of Indicator’s. Even if there was no difference between the shots, it would still prove that Imprint’s compression is worse because they needed double the bitrate to achieve what Indicator did.

I am not saying that Imprint’s disc looks bad. It looks quite good. However I am not going to pretend that I can’t see that less detail is retained in the Imprint screenshots. Sorry Wrong Number looked bad. And that was due to the same compression issues - just to a much larger extent. The version of Sorry Wrong Number streaming on Amazon looks much better than the Imprint despite both clearly being from the same master. So yes the compression might not be a huge deal for this specific title, but it is for some past ones and no doubt will be for future ones. You guys aren’t doing yourselves any favours by pretending the issues don’t exist.

Mate, most people here aren't blind defenders of any company/studio, and I am certainly not. There's usually very healthy debate on the PQ and AQ of each release this label has put out. Imprint has some pretty ho-hum releases, and some pretty stellar ones. Most of the issues, however, seem to have stemmed from provided sources rather than encoding as you are suggesting. Nobody is staunchly defending the PQ of "Day of the Locust" here.

Using "Sorry, Wrong Number" to support why "The Garment Jungle" is an improper encode is disingenuous and a strawman. Also, saying that Imprint using a BD50 "clearly tells us that Imprint's compression is not up to the standard of Indicator's" is not how logic works. It's also not how encoding works. They also didn't "need double the bitrate to achieve what Indicator did." You know how I know that? Because they didn't have double the bitrate. Check the bitrate profiles on DVDBeaver. Again, this is an hour and a half movie. There are a lot of reasons a company may go with a BD50 over a BD25 (which in this case would be plenty of space), and one of those benefits is more overhead for the bitrate. So, having the Indicator release on a BD25 for such a short movie - but with lots of extras - was a choice that Indicator made and supports their skill at encoding. It is not evidence Imprint's encode is bad. These two concepts are not mutually exclusive.

Just check reviews for "War of the Worlds", "Major Dundee", "Framed", etc. Many of them are identical if not extremely comparable to their earlier/later releases from the same masters (some of which have been reviewed on this very site). That is how you compare like to like. Also, mate, maybe you haven't updated your collection page, but I don't see any of these films you are referencing in your actual collection (or any Indicator/Imprint titles for that matter). Not an accusation, but you seem to be citing DVDBeaver screenshots (which are already identical in terms of "The Garment Jungle" as far as this forum can tell) more than actual in-motion viewing. Do you actually own these releases?

Perception is perception. Maybe your young eyes (btw, I ain't "old") just give you the superhuman ability to see faults no one else can decipher. I don't think so, but I'm just some dude who makes pointlessly long posts on official, niche boutique blu-ray title forums. What would I know?

[DawnShadow]

Originally Posted by james.f.fleming

Using "Sorry, Wrong Number" to support why "The Garment Jungle" is an improper encode is disingenuous and a strawman.

I'm not using "Sorry, Wrong Number" to support why "The Garment Jungle" is an improper encode. I'm using "Sorry Wrong Number" as supporting evidence to the fact that Imprint needs to work on their compression. I hadn't even seen the screenshots for "The Garment Jungle".

I was always talking about "Framed". Why another user changed the discussion to being about "The Garment Jungle", I don't know.

So maybe the problem isn't that I have bad eyesight, but that you're looking at the wrong movie.

I've just looked at The Garment Jungle, and I agree that there's no visible difference between the two releases. That doesn't change the fact that it's a completely different movie to the one I was always talking about.

I've also looked at Framed again. Still an obvious difference there.

I realise that I originally quoted a post asking about both and should have specified that I had only compared Framed so I apologise if there was some misunderstanding there.

[dingo5]

The standard editions are selling on VV for $25 AUD. I think that is a fair price for these blu rays given they are from a boutique label. Normally I only purchase UHD or 3D blu rays these days, but beggars can't be choosers when it comes to these titles.

That being said, I'm going to wait until more SE offerings are available giving the high shipping costs. I really hope VV isn't planning to wait one full year to release the SE offerings for each film. Some people just have no interest in LE offerings and waiting to release the SE just means lost sales. For example, I put all my media on a server. So I look at the case and disk once, and then drop it into a storage bin. I'll never pay a premium for a steelcase or special slip cover. I just want the best quality video and audio I can get.

[koberulz]

There's no guarantee there will be standard editions at all.

[koberulz]

The Indicator version of The Garment Jungle includes a "2007 Robert Loggia Q&A" extra that runs 19:42. The Imprint version contains a "2007 Robert Loggia Q&A" extra that runs 35:57.

Is the Indicator extra just a cut-down version of the Imprint? Or are they completely different?

[DawnShadow]

Originally Posted by koberulz

There's no guarantee there will be standard editions at all.

And when they do come, it appears it will be nearly a year after the initial release. Not to mention no wave has sold anywhere near as well as the inital one, so they are unlikely to be rushing out standard editions.

[james.f.fleming]

Originally Posted by koberulz

The Indicator version of The Garment Jungle includes a "2007 Robert Loggia Q&A" extra that runs 19:42. The Imprint version contains a "2007 Robert Loggia Q&A" extra that runs 35:57.

Is the Indicator extra just a cut-down version of the Imprint? Or are they completely different?

Hey, mate. I just checked both supplements on each of the releases. Yes, the Indicator version is cut-down, but I wouldn't say you miss much. Indicator trimmed about 5mins off the beginning of the segment, which was just the introduction of Mr. Loggia by the interlocutor. It also cut the audience Q & A at the end. What Indicator did do, however, is splice in hi-res stills from the films being discussed in the conversation as visual aids that add a lot in regards to context. The Imprint release does not do this and is just the raw video file of the whole segment. So, Imprint gives you a bit more of the conversation - albeit less focused since it is the audience issuing the later questions - and Indicator gives you a shorter version but with visual aids and some editing. Pick your poison.

Hope that helps.

[koberulz]

So watch the interview on the Indicator and then skip straight to the Q&A on the Imprint, then?

[Necora]

has anyone picked up on this podcast ?. I just found it this week, It was quite a good listen with reviews and title reveals all about imprint. I have added to my podcast list.

Imprint Companio‪n‬ Podcast

"Hang onto your slipcases because Alexei Toliopoulos (Finding Drago, Total Reboot) and Blake Howard (One Heat Minute) team up to unbox, unpack and unveil upcoming releases from Australia's brand new boutique Blu-Ray label Imprint Films."

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcas...n/id1527560129