Worst Star Wars/LOTR/Matrix/Transformers/Batman dialog

[Woody]

Originally Posted by Lil' Louie

Funny, I saw him fight only one agent in the first Matrix. You assume that they way Neo destroyed Smith also applies to the other agents.

Upgrades for the second batch of agents works as does doctorsteve's explanation.

The "sale" that was made in the first Matrix leads us to believe he would have been able to do that to all agents.

If you believe he can only do it to Smith, then it just makes another hole in the story, this time in the first movie instead of the sequels.

[YouSmellLikeBeans]

Originally Posted by camper

Hard, because the Star Wars movies are littered with them.

Star Wars: "Mos Eisley spaceport: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

Melodramatic much there, Obi-Wan?

camper

Funny, i use that line everytime i go shopping at wal mart. except i replace mos eisley with wal mart. it fits well.

[doctorsteve]

Originally Posted by Woody

So he stops acouple hundred bullets with his hand, then decides to fight 6 dudes hand to hand, instead of simply destroying them, (gut style like you said) and leaves others to go and protect the "key dude"??

I guess he just wasnt in a hurry?

Sorry, I still don't buy it.

If anything, if he "evolved" he would not have gone "backwards" where it required hand to hand combat. He could have done something like altering the matrix to hold them all in place or something. (you know, like the bullets) *shrug*

I guess I don't see a 'bullet', which is nothing more than another representation of data in the Matrix (with a predictable speed and trajectory), as much of an opponent. You learn with every opponent you fight. So toy with the fighters like a cat toys with a mouse, then when you've gotten out of the situation what you want - get on with the mission. If Neo just walked through his encounters by throwing everybody against the wall all the time, he'd never grow as a fighter.

Back on topic : I f-ing hate All of Jada Pinkett's lines except "She got a FAT ASS!", I hate Mifune and that Neo groupie chatter (all that 'holding the dock' and 'I won't let you down sir' crap)...

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Woody

The "sale" that was made in the first Matrix leads us to believe he would have been able to do that to all agents.

If you believe he can only do it to Smith, then it just makes another hole in the story, this time in the first movie instead of the sequels.

Hmm, he merged with one agent and destroyed him; therefore, that leads you to assume he can do the exact same thing to every agent. Hmm, he beat up Smith in the first Matrix and destroyed him; yet, Neo couldn't do the same thing to the very same Smith in Revolutions. Wonder why that is?

[gamer4eva]

Originally Posted by Lil' Louie

Sammy: I wonder if people will ever say, 'Let's hear about Frodo and the Ring.' And they'll say 'Yes, that's one of my favorite stories. Frodo was really courageous, wasn't he, Dad?' 'Yes, my boy, the most famousest of hobbits.

Frodo: You've left out one of the chief characters - Samwise the Brave. I want to hear more about Sam.

Frodo turns and gives Sam a look that only one can give to a lover while Sam licks his lips in anticipation of the .

ROFLMFAO

[Mxr5150]

I don't have a problem with really any of the dialogue in the afformentioned movies, except in Transformers (and I still really like the movie, I just have a few problems with the way, hotness factor aside, Megan Fox speaks her lines).

The seemingly out of place "When have you ever had so sacrifice anything in your perfect little life?" really gets to me. Was there originally more to that dialogue? I would make more sense to me if there had been. Other moments include "It's [aliens] an urban legend" sounded really contrived and unnatural. Again hotness aside, and also again I thought the movie was great and I don't care for Michael Bay's movies.

Edit: I just remembered... all of the dialogue from Star Wars: Episodes I, II, and III.

[doctorsteve]

Originally Posted by Lil' Louie

Hmm, he merged with one agent and destroyed him; therefore, that leads you to assume he can do the exact same thing to every agent. Hmm, he beat up Smith in the first Matrix and destroyed him; yet, Neo couldn't do the same thing to the very same Smith in Revolutions. Wonder why that is?

Just because he didn't, doesn't mean he couldn't.

In fact, the only reason (that is based in reason) that I can think of that Neo 'wouldn't' be able to do the same thing in 2/3, is that the Smith program was no longer connected to the Matrix. "Free", as Smith put it, a rouge program. So, maybe Neo would not have been able to modify a program not directly called by the Matrix (similar to the Trainman, Keymaker, Oracle, or the Merovingian). Smith was beyond the control of the Matrix/Source/Machines, whatever, so Neo no longer had a way to get freaky with Smith's code.

The only hole in THAT theory is that Smith could overwrite others (Seraph, the Oracle, and everybody else in the Matrix).

Scenarios:
A) Smith can overwrite others, Neo can overwrite Smith but didn't. Leaves the possibility of a two-way interface open.

B) Smith can overwrite others, Neo Can't. Uses a one-way interface to overwrite another program's code, but other programs can't overwrite him. Not Bloody Likely IMO.

I just can't buy the idea that Neo couldn't do it. I just think he felt that was a useless way to try to stop Smith (especially the dozens of Smiths in the Burly Brawl), and just flat-out DIDN'T.

[UKTruBlu]

Originally Posted by arrow61095

What is the worst Star Wars/LOTR/Matrix/Transformers/Batman dialog?

Were there any lines that particularly annoyed you?


First, let me say that I like all of these popular series. Please try to keep this to just discussing the dialog. There are already millions of other threads discussing these actual movies and who likes and dislikes them.


I'll start off with my worst from Star Wars Episode III:
Anakin: "You are so beautiful!"
Padme: "Only because I'm so in love with you."
Anakin: "No, because I'm so in love with you."

Agreed, Lucas needs some script writing lessons!

[UKTruBlu]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

Anything that Hayden Christensen said in Episode II and III was crap. Didn't they do a screen test to see if he could actually act.

aparantley not!!!!

[sam89]

Originally Posted by doctorsteve

Just because he didn't, doesn't mean he couldn't.

In fact, the only reason (that is based in reason) that I can think of that Neo 'wouldn't' be able to do the same thing in 2/3, is that the Smith program was no longer connected to the Matrix. "Free", as Smith put it, a rouge program. So, maybe Neo would not have been able to modify a program not directly called by the Matrix (similar to the Trainman, Keymaker, Oracle, or the Merovingian). Smith was beyond the control of the Matrix/Source/Machines, whatever, so Neo no longer had a way to get freaky with Smith's code.

The only hole in THAT theory is that Smith could overwrite others (Seraph, the Oracle, and everybody else in the Matrix).

Scenarios:
A) Smith can overwrite others, Neo can overwrite Smith but didn't. Leaves the possibility of a two-way interface open.

B) Smith can overwrite others, Neo Can't. Uses a one-way interface to overwrite another program's code, but other programs can't overwrite him. Not Bloody Likely IMO.

I just can't buy the idea that Neo couldn't do it. I just think he felt that was a useless way to try to stop Smith (especially the dozens of Smiths in the Burly Brawl), and just flat-out DIDN'T.

The simple answer is that Neo didn't delete Smith at the end of the first Matrix, he just destroyed his shell. The only place a program can be deleted is at the Source. And considering that the last time that he jumped into someone, they came back as a multiplying virus, I don't think he would be in a rush to try it again

[doctorsteve]

Originally Posted by sam89

The simple answer is that Neo didn't delete Smith at the end of the first Matrix, he just destroyed his shell. The only place a program can be deleted is at the Source. And considering that the last time that he jumped into someone, they came back as a multiplying virus, I don't think he would be in a rush to try it again

(Nodding) just as The Oracle's shell changed after her program was altered by the source after she chose to help Neo (this was explained by the Wachowskis after Gloria died and they had to recast the part). I remember reading that this was explained in further detail in Last Flight of the Osiris.

[Woody]

Originally Posted by doctorsteve

I guess I don't see a 'bullet', which is nothing more than another representation of data in the Matrix (with a predictable speed and trajectory), as much of an opponent. You learn with every opponent you fight. So toy with the fighters like a cat toys with a mouse, then when you've gotten out of the situation what you want - get on with the mission. If Neo just walked through his encounters by throwing everybody against the wall all the time, he'd never grow as a fighter.

Back on topic : I f-ing hate All of Jada Pinkett's lines except "She got a FAT ASS!", I hate Mifune and that Neo groupie chatter (all that 'holding the dock' and 'I won't let you down sir' crap)...

I agree that a bullet is different than an "agent" (I would argue that they are both "a representation of data in the matrix", but I digress)

And my point is, because he is "the one" he shouldnt need to grow as a fighter, his growth IMO should be growing in control of the matrix (ie: flying, which is a whole diff story I dont even want to get into.)

And /cosign pinkett hate

[Woody]

Originally Posted by Lil' Louie

Hmm, he merged with one agent and destroyed him; therefore, that leads you to assume he can do the exact same thing to every agent. Hmm, he beat up Smith in the first Matrix and destroyed him; yet, Neo couldn't do the same thing to the very same Smith in Revolutions. Wonder why that is?

He scouldnt do the same thing in the later movies because Smith was a virus that was no longer controlled by the Matrix.

That is one of the only things they did a good job of explaining and continuing IMO.

[Woody]

Originally Posted by doctorsteve

Just because he didn't, doesn't mean he couldn't.

In fact, the only reason (that is based in reason) that I can think of that Neo 'wouldn't' be able to do the same thing in 2/3, is that the Smith program was no longer connected to the Matrix. "Free", as Smith put it, a rouge program. So, maybe Neo would not have been able to modify a program not directly called by the Matrix (similar to the Trainman, Keymaker, Oracle, or the Merovingian). Smith was beyond the control of the Matrix/Source/Machines, whatever, so Neo no longer had a way to get freaky with Smith's code.

The only hole in THAT theory is that Smith could overwrite others (Seraph, the Oracle, and everybody else in the Matrix).

Scenarios:
A) Smith can overwrite others, Neo can overwrite Smith but didn't. Leaves the possibility of a two-way interface open.

B) Smith can overwrite others, Neo Can't. Uses a one-way interface to overwrite another program's code, but other programs can't overwrite him. Not Bloody Likely IMO.

I just can't buy the idea that Neo couldn't do it. I just think he felt that was a useless way to try to stop Smith (especially the dozens of Smiths in the Burly Brawl), and just flat-out DIDN'T.

Yeah, he couldnt because Smith was no longer controlled. Smith simply "infected" the other programs to clone himself.

The other agents were still controlled, which is why IMO there is no valid reason for the continued "fighting".

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Woody

He scouldnt do the same thing in the later movies because Smith was a virus that was no longer controlled by the Matrix.

Thank you. Smith, essentially, upgraded.

Originally Posted by Woody

Yeah, he couldnt because Smith was no longer controlled. Smith simply "infected" the other programs to clone himself.

The other agents were still controlled, which is why IMO there is no valid reason for the continued "fighting".

Whether Smith was an agent of the system or not, he was still in the Matrix; and, according to you, Neo can control "everthing" in the Matrix. So, again, according to you, Neo should have been able to defeat him the same way he did in the first Matrix.

Here's the real problem, you are trying to add rules to something that you aren't sure what the rules are. You're willing to excuse why Neo didn't destroy Smith in Revolutions like he did in the first Matrix; yet, you can't suspend your disbelief enough to consider the new agents were "upgrades" which is why Neo didn't dispose of them like he did Smith. Are "upgrades" the reason? Maybe, maybe not. You said Neo lost his ability; yet, he was able to merge his hand with Trinity to dig the bullit out at the end of Reloaded. But wait! She isn't connected to the Matrix; so, he if he can merge with Trinity, why not Smith in Revolutions?

He didn't loose his ability plain and simple. Why he didn't destroy them? Didn't feel like it, thought it didn't matter, had dinner plans, upgrades, any of them work.

[Woody]

Originally Posted by Lil' Louie

Thank you. Smith, essentially, upgraded.

No, sorry.

An upgrade is in the matrix, Smith was outside of the matrix's control.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Woody

No, sorry.

An upgrade is in the matrix, Smith was outside of the matrix's control.

But, not out of Neo's control since, according to you, he controls everything in the Matrix. Smith needs to be controlled by the Matrix to upgrade? Why?