Wonder Woman (2017)

[captveg]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

Do you think Zack Snyder can actually pull off an 80% RT score?

Yes, because it's going to be the least Snyder-ish film he's ever done. He's had to compromise to deliver the crowd pleaser the masses want. It doesn't hurt that it's going to be a Batman driven story with pal Wonder Woman helping him out, and that Superman will show up as Perfect Ideal of Most Common Tropes Superman in the third act. It's gonna be the DC film that public polling wants most, so to speak.

For the record I love Man of Steel and really like BvS. But I also recognize that they are more narrow in public taste than what these shared universe big budget TV shows need to be. So, while I expect Snyder's more romantic and existential notions to be heavily curbed in JL, I am still looking forward to it immensely. Despite the obvious mainstreaming they are having to do with it.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I often think divisive movies are better than mass market crowd pleasers. Also they all made money. So... no.

Heh, I was just making a similar point in another thread.

[ArrestedDevelopment]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

Do you think Zack Snyder can actually pull off an 80% RT score?

With a solid story/script he can.

[captveg]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

In the end this comes down to taste. I don't mind a discussion about whether DC will make as much money or whatever, but this whole "can Zack Snyder ever make a movie 90% of people who see it will like?" Why the hell should he?

He "should" because that is what playing with such a large property these days requires. 2016 audiences want fun-filled, breezy, high-fiving crowdpleasers. Look at the top box office films lately: Fast and Furious, Jurassic World, Jungle Book, The Force Awakens. None of these films are particularly challenging or overtly intellectual.

This is the pool DC wants to swim in. You can't have directors push the envelope too much in this production atmosphere. There may be some exceptions, such as a solo Batman film, but it's gonna be rare.

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by ArrestedDevelopment

With a solid story/script he can.

Has he ever provided a score even close to that high?

[Chaotic]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

Has he ever provided a score even close to that high?

Dawn of the Dead

[captveg]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

Has he ever provided a score even close to that high?

Dawn of the Dead is at 75%

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by captveg

Dawn of the Dead is at 75%

And 75% is not close to 80%?

For F's sake, are we going by RT now?! Yeah, I give a crap what a bunch of bloggers and vloggers have to say about a film. Uh-huh.

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by Chaotic

Dawn of the Dead

Originally Posted by captveg

Dawn of the Dead is at 75%

I guess we'll see then, his cbms haven't done so well critically.

[solarrdadd]

[ArrestedDevelopment]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

Has he ever provided a score even close to that high?

Honestly don't know off the top of my head lol. I'm not his biggest fan but I don't think hes completely to blame for the DCEU either. I liked what he did with 300 and Watchmen though. Hopefully he can get back to that that level of filmmaking.

[walruswarrior]

RT is overrated and overused

[captveg]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

For F's sake, are we going by RT now?! Yeah, I give a crap what a bunch of bloggers and vloggers have to say about a film. Uh-huh.

I like what I like regardless of RT. However, in an atmosphere where a lot of people look at DC and look at RT and then say "But RT for MCU films is always a high score, therefore DC objectively sucks!" one has to acknowledge that those are the rules of the game being played right now.

Therefore, DC needs to target getting high critic responses and high fan responses for the future longterm health of the DCEU as a product. If director visions need to be curtailed in order to achieve it they are going to do it. Too much money out there to grab to not course correct in this fashion.

We're talking about a series that needs to appeal to the biggest possible demographic. Populism isn't achieved by having too specific of artistic ideas. Gotta make it broad, gotta make it charming, gotta make it high-fiving and uplifting.

Even Captain America: Civil War with where its characters close the film is perceived by the masses as that rollicking fun time where guys fought at the airport. At least to most people. You know what that showpiece scene was? Breezy, popcorn chewing, high-fiving. That's the first thought people need to have in 2016 for populist entertainment. You can have the other elements, but the "fun times!" has to be front and center.

Jurassic World? Dinosaur fights! = fun times

The Force Awakens? Scoundrel Han Solo and Lightsaber Battles! = fun times

The Jungle Book? Balloo and amazing visuals! = fun times

And so on.

[Underworld54]

It's funny when a film someone likes gets a low RT score a person will say they don't care, but when a film gets a good score they'll be the first to boast about it.

[captveg]

I don't think I've ever boasted about a RT score. I've been pleased when films I like get good scored because that often leads to more people giving the film a chance (such as for Mad Max: Fury Road), but I'd never change my mind about how I feel towards a movie because of critical consensus.

[Rodney-2187]

I'm a Marvel guy, hated Man of Steel, but I can't wait for this movie. I haven't loved a superhero's theme music this much since John William's Superman. Can't wait for more Batfleck too.

WONDER WOMAN Theme / Music | Batman v Superman OST | Hans Zimmer & Junkie XL | HD - YouTube

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by captveg

He "should" because that is what playing with such a large property these days requires. 2016 audiences want fun-filled, breezy, high-fiving crowdpleasers. Look at the top box office films lately: Fast and Furious, Jurassic World, Jungle Book, The Force Awakens. None of these films are particularly challenging or overtly intellectual.

This is the pool DC wants to swim in. You can't have directors push the envelope too much in this production atmosphere. There may be some exceptions, such as a solo Batman film, but it's gonna be rare.

I agree this is their way to billion dollar releases, yes. However some of you seem to be equating that with "good movies" which is the part I disagree with. Obviously Warner just wants mass market success and more money, but I kind of like how they have accidentally made movies much more challenging and divisive that I ended up really liking. I hope they keep accidentally doing that.

In other words, mass market product is an evil pragmatic truth in movies IMO, not something consumers should argue for on a message board. Leave that to boardrooms and suits.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by walruswarrior

RT is overrated and overused

Thank you.

[GP Legend]

Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo

Would you say the same thing about Doctor Strange or Infinity War, since Civil War (Avengers 2.5) made less than Ultron which made less than the first Avengers? Didn't think so. People need to quit with the double standard.

There is no double standard. That's all in your head. It is quite clear at this point you are an insecure DC fanboy. The person you responded to wasn't even talking about Marvel, yet here you are, trying to make this another DC vs. Marvel thing.

[GP Legend]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I agree this is their way to billion dollar releases, yes. However some of you seem to be equating that with "good movies" which is the part I disagree with. Obviously Warner just wants mass market success and more money, but I kind of like how they have accidentally made movies much more challenging and divisive that I ended up really liking. I hope they keep accidentally doing that.

In other words, mass market product is an evil pragmatic truth in movies IMO, not something consumers should argue for on a message board. Leave that to boardrooms and suits.

Of course being popular and more accepted doesn't make a movie good. But please don't start doing the same thing and acting like a movie being divisive and "challenging" and not making as much money is also a sign of a good movie.