Pioneer 9G Owners Thread - Present & Future

[oppopioneer]

Originally Posted by ShockWave

PC mode only applies to film based content at 24hz correct? I don't watch movies on cable, I only watch regular program which should not be affected by PC mode at all correct? How are HD video games effected?

I haven't played any video games since around 2004-05 on my old original Xbox. Do video games have a 720p or 1080i or 1080p resolution like tv and movies do?

[ShockWave]

Originally Posted by oppopioneer

I haven't played any video games since around 2004-05 on my old original Xbox. Do video games have a 720p or 1080i or 1080p resolution like tv and movies do?

Yeah, most are 720p some are 1080p.

[oppopioneer]

I've mentioned this before but just incase anyone missed it... All the viewing on the my Kuro Pro-151FD plasma I personally have found that when watching Comcast cable HD in 1080i whether it be movies or tv programing that it's best to set Film Mode to Standard. When it's set to Advance for 1080i it looks more processed, digitized, like the processors are trying to catch up and compensate. I've been told this is because of Comcast's lack of bandwidth, that's true so I leave it to 'Standard' which has a little less overly digitized processing and it's more natural looking.

For bluray I set it to 'Advance' and it looks awesome!

[oppopioneer]

Originally Posted by ShockWave

Yeah, most are 720p some are 1080p.

Don't they have a computer or video game setting in the Pio Kuro's specifically if you use your plasma as a computer monitor or for video games? I've never used mine as a computer monitor or for video games.

[ShockWave]

I have direct tv and haven't noticed that. Going to switch it for a few days and see if I can tell a difference.

All I know is I love my kuro's!!!

[saprano]

Originally Posted by ShockWave

PC mode only applies to film based content at 24hz correct? I don't watch movies on cable, I only watch regular program which should not be affected by PC mode at all correct? How are HD video games effected?

Yes, only for 24hz films. TV programs are all 60hz i think. Don't know about video games. Don't think they apply since their not 24p. The AMP mode on LCD's don't work with video games ether i think.

[TheFactor]

Originally Posted by Pericles

I've had my krp-500m for about 5 months and its best tv I've ever had.

X2 i've had my 6020 for about 2 months and im in heaven Best display i've owned, also The PQ is beautiful

[fuwa]

Originally Posted by oppopioneer

I've mentioned this before but just incase anyone missed it... All the viewing on the my Kuro Pro-151FD plasma I personally have found that when watching Comcast cable HD in 1080i whether it be movies or tv programing that it's best to set Film Mode to Standard. When it's set to Advance for 1080i it looks more processed, digitized, like the processors are trying to catch up and compensate. I've been told this is because of Comcast's lack of bandwidth, that's true so I leave it to 'Standard' which has a little less overly digitized processing and it's more natural looking.

For bluray I set it to 'Advance' and it looks awesome!

I have my Kuros set to Standard now as the Kuro manual says it converts film grade material to 24P. It says the Advanced mode does the same thing and mentions 72 hz processing. The chart on AVS forums shows 72 hz for both Standard and Advanced.

It would seem it would be best to leave the setting on Standard as you say non blu-rays look better and Standard also processes 24P. It seems like a hassle to go into the menus and change the settings each time going from blu-ray to DVD. Maybe I am being picky as I grew up with TVs that just had contrast, brightness, color, and tint controls and once you had those set, that was it.

What basically is the difference between Standard and Advanced? The reviewers suggest Advanced for the settings.

[oppopioneer]

Advance mode is designed for a 1080p/24 source which is bluray content and in Advance mode it will upconvert it to 1080p/72. Standard mode does not upconvert a 1080p/24 source to 72.

[scweb13]

Originally Posted by oppopioneer

Advance mode is designed for a 1080p/24 source which is bluray content and in Advance mode it will upconvert it to 1080p/72. Standard mode does not upconvert a 1080p/24 source to 72.

Not true. Both Standard and Advance play back 1080p/24 material at 72hz. Advance applies processing to non 1080p film-based material and converts it to 72hz. Look here to see the results of the different Pure Cinema settings and source material.

[Alkaline]

Originally Posted by scweb13

Look here

Thanks for that. I've been searching for a piece of info like that for awhile now (real-world testing of the Pio's actual refresh rates). That 9G owner's thread is chock full of valuable info like this, but it's so long that it's a real pain in the ass to search it for a specific piece of info.

[oppopioneer]

Originally Posted by scweb13

Not true. Both Standard and Advance play back 1080p/24 material at 72hz. Advance applies processing to non 1080p film-based material and converts it to 72hz. Look here to see the results of the different Pure Cinema settings and source material.

Thanks for that info and link. I stand corrected if those numbers are accurate and real. I was going by my own eyes during back to back testing between Standard vs Advance, and also reading reviews from electronic sites ( http://www.cnet.com , http://www.ultimateavmag.com , http://www.hometheatermag.com ) and they all said how Advance mode is for 1080p/24 sources. I'll look through the Pioneer manual again too. From my own eyes I noticed a difference between Standard and Advance when watching Comcast HD in 1080i especially on fast sequence action scenes like in Fast And Furious , the Advance mode looked more digitized, processed, where as Standard looked more neutral and natural, but in 1080p/24 on bluray the Advance mode was slightly better. Also people here who had their Pio Kuro's professionally calibrated by ISF certified technicians said they noticed a difference between Standard and Advance when watching dvd and bluray.

[oppopioneer]

My test results. After watching a lot of tv today which is Comcast HD 1080i I noticed a difference between Film Modes-Off, Standard and Advance. For 1080i content and what the http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...ostcount=15486 link showed as well is that Advance is 1080i - 71.93 Hz and Standard is 1080i - 59.94 Hz which was noticeable. But for bluray in 1080p/24 it was harder to tell the difference between Standard and Advance.

[bacot11]

Just finished up calibrating my pro-101 with my new friend David of Firewired Home Theater. $150 per input which is a great deal seeing how I have a receiver, and I only needed 1 input done. He also took the time to walk me through the process, and to show me before and after paperwork. Truly remarkable how much more the picture pops. While it isn't night and day the picture just jumps off the screen now. Where as before it was good, but not this good. Highly recommended. If you live in the metro Atlanta area and need some calibrating done let me know by pm.

[sarge1976]

When DNice calibrated my 600M he set my Film mode to "Off". I'm not sure why, who am I to doubt the man

[TheFactor]

Originally Posted by sarge1976

When DNice calibrated my 600M he set my Film mode to "Off". I'm not sure why, who am I to doubt the man

Mine was also calibrated with film mode off by the calibrater he was DMan Not assosiated with DNice though but did a sweet job for me

[ArieS]

Quick question, the KRP 600M and 500M are not DNLA compatible, right?

[Tompa]

Hi everyone.

I've been offered a 500M and have a few questions.

It's basically identical with the 500A (screen/(picture wise) except for the connections right? Also, is the DVI-D input good for hooking up with an HDMI source, can you adjust the picture setting like with the HDMI-inputs or is it a "pure" PC-input?

Also, is it possible to hook up the Media Receiver from the 500A with a System Cable o HDMI converter. I guess it wont be able to control it but to at least use the extra inputs (stupid question I know)?

[The Big Blue]

Where are all the Kuro experts? We've got questions here.

I need to know what cable I need to hook up a laptop to my 5020. Here is the HP laptop On page 14 of the pdf, (3) External monitor port, is that what I need? On both ends? What is that called? In the Kuro manual they call it analog rgb I think. Monoprice link would be great.

[scweb13]

Originally Posted by The Big Blue

Where are all the Kuro experts? We've got questions here.

I need to know what cable I need to hook up a laptop to my 5020. Here is the HP laptop On page 14 of the pdf, (3) External monitor port, is that what I need? On both ends? What is that called? In the Kuro manual they call it analog rgb I think. Monoprice link would be great.

A D-Sub15 (VGA) cable should work just fine for you. I'm pretty sure that the VGA input on the 5020 is female, so a Male to Male cable would be the one that you'd want to get.
Take you pick from Monoprice
I have my older Xbox 360 (without HDMI) connected to my 101 thru the VGA input. Works great.