Inglourious Basterds 4K UHD (2009)

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by Matt89

“For the record: On a title like this, which was shot on film but finished as a 2K DI, the usual procedure is to rescan the negative for live action, upsample the 2K VFX shots, and rebuild the DI in 4K, then regrade for HDR. That rescanning hasn't happened here. Thus the poor image quality and the low video grade.”

On twitter BH wrote that it's done "very often".

Apparently 4K rebuilds of a 2K DIs are basically a standard in Hollywood!

[Tuc0]

Originally Posted by Matt89

So on fb DigitalBits have deleted everyone’s comments criticizing their review and posted this:

“For the record: On a title like this, which was shot on film but finished as a 2K DI, the usual procedure is to rescan the negative for live action, upsample the 2K VFX shots, and rebuild the DI in 4K, then regrade for HDR. That rescanning hasn't happened here. Thus the poor image quality and the low video grade.”

~Matt

Oh that's how they usually do it huh? My bad. Inglourious basterds is upscaled and therefore rubbish. Almost bought it too!

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Matt89

So on fb DigitalBits have deleted everyone’s comments criticizing their review and posted this:

“For the record: On a title like this, which was shot on film but finished as a 2K DI, the usual procedure is to rescan the negative for live action, upsample the 2K VFX shots, and rebuild the DI in 4K, then regrade for HDR. That rescanning hasn't happened here. Thus the poor image quality and the low video grade.”

~Matt

That's the usual procedure? When did this become an industry standard? What a load of Inglourious Billstards.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Canada

Guess I'll be saving my Shekels, Inglorious Basterds got a very bad review from Tim Salmons over at Digital Bits.

This was the original post that Hunt made mention of. I don't believe Hunt ever reviewed or commented on with firsthand knowledge of it. That I'm aware off. Folks just saw that he posted a negative review from one of his reviewers and attributed the review to him.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

This was the original post that Hunt made mention of. I don't believe Hunt ever reviewed or commented on with firsthand knowledge of it. That I'm aware off. Folks just saw that he posted a negative review from one of his reviewers and attributed the review to him.

But he's still opined on it himself on social media and just echoed what matey said, so it might as well be his review.

[Scottishguy]

I guess that post was to spicy. Sorry.

[Agent Kay]

Ignorant reviewers coming to 4k in 2021

[wright96d]

Originally Posted by OutOfBoose

What are you talking about? They downloaded German BDremux from torrents and reapplied yellow subs. They couldn't even place them in the same place as US BD. Rushed job.

They did whatnow?

Originally Posted by uVSthem

Does anything think if the studios released 1080P with HDR encodes on UHDs and advertised it as such that people would be more willing to buy films that were finished with 2K DI?

Kind of like the whole SD on Bluray done for some TV shows.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SD_Blu-ray

I once had that same thought. And I suppose for some material, that would work just fine. But one answer as to why not to do that, is chroma subsampling. Or more simply, the color resolution of the image. Consumer video is rendered at 4:2:0 chroma subsampling, making the color resolution effectively half that of the luma resolution. On Blu-Ray, a 2K film at 2K is going to have a chroma resolution of about 1K. A 2K film at 4K will have a chroma resolution of about 2K. This really doesn't matter very often... at all... but one striking example is Into the Spiderverse. The sharp colorful lines just blur together on Blu-Ray. And that's because of the reduced chroma resolution. Even though it's a 2K DI, the movie is substantially sharper on 4K because of the increased chroma resolution.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Vendetta is weird, it's definitely a different transfer to the BD but doesn't look like a 4K rebuild. There's a lot of digital work in the DI, using power windows on V's mask for example, which is there on the UHD too and as I doubt they redid all that work from scratch that stuff has got to be upscaled. Or I wonder if they did a new transfer from the filmout negative rather than the actual OG neg?

I mean, wouldn't the standard procedure for a new grade of a DI be to go back to the original color grading project? Pulling up an SDR master file and doing scene edit detection seems like a terrible idea when you can just open up the old project file which has access to the log scan data(for non-VFX shots). The industry has been using the same software to color grade for like 2 decades, so I can't imagine you'd have much of a problem opening them. We also talk often about anamorphic film translating better to 4K because of the vertical resolution, but if they used the actual 2K DI, you wouldn't get that improvement since scope DIs are rendered at 2048x858. I think you actually mentioned that somewhere in this thread but I don't remember where.

Edit: I suppose for something like The Social Network, they actually didn't go back to the original color grading project, as the DNR pass was done after the color grading was complete. Personally, I would've liked to have seen a new DNR pass done with software from this decade(Yes I know this would be expensive and would likely never happen, insane utopian idea, yada yada yada), but I digress. But for something like V for Vendetta where power windows clearly change position, they obviously went back to the Resolve project.

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by Christian Muth

"After the color timing was complete, the picture underwent a noise-and-grain-reduction sweep at Reliance MediaWorks’ Lowry Digital. The finalized files were filmed out at 2K at Technicolor, where David Orr timed the answer print. (Technicolor and Deluxe Laboratories did the release printing. LightIron Digital created the DCDM master.)"

https://theasc.com/ac_magazine/Octob...ork/page1.html

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

I have the perfect horror film for you this Halloween.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6le...ature=youtu.be

Hey, look, it's a thing I uploaded! (Also, I'm still looking for the podcasts listed in the description. I'd really like them to not be lost to the sands of time.)

[batman2000]

What uhd and uhd blu ray reviewer websites have integrity?

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by batman2000

What uhd and uhd blu ray reviewer websites have integrity?

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by wright96d

Hey, look, it's a thing I uploaded! (Also, I'm still looking for the podcasts listed in the description. I'd really like them to not be lost to the sands of time.)

That poor guy is like a video gigalo dutifully performing all of Friedkins kinks and fantasies.

[wright96d]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

That poor guy is like a video gigalo dutifully performing all of Friedkins kinks and fantasies.

That is unsettlingly accurate.

[Ishai]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's not your mistake, it's Bill Hunt's. It still amazes me that he'll drool over a 2K upscale like LOTR when he thinks it's been rebuilt from 4K. The human mind is a wondrous and terrifying thing.

People would enjoy something a lot more if they think it's supposed to be great because they want to fit in with their tribe. Their tribe leader said LOTR is amazing, so it is. He said IB is washed and a bad transfer, so it must be

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Ishai

People would enjoy something a lot more if they think it's supposed to be great because they want to fit in with their tribe. Their tribe leader said LOTR is amazing, so it is. He said IB is washed and a bad transfer, so it must be

For what LOTR is, it is great...for the UHD space. But we would have probably all been better off it was just a new HD Blu-ray.

Which would have probably involved less invasive additional DNR, and huge colour changes in Two Towers.

Context is important.

[Christian Muth]

Originally Posted by wright96d

... We also talk often about anamorphic film translating better to 4K because of the vertical resolution, but if they used the actual 2K DI, you wouldn't get that improvement since scope DIs are rendered at 2048x858. I think you actually mentioned that somewhere in this thread but I don't remember where.

If then printed back to 35mm anamorphic film like INGLORIOUS BASTERDS was though, wouldn't said DI retain the full vertical resolution?

Chris

[batman2000]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

Come on really you think this sites reviews are all perfect the review for the original back to the future trilogy blu ray was awful. it says it wasn’t grain reduced when it was so I take this site reviews with a grain of salt.

[wright96d]

Originally Posted by Christian Muth

If then printed back to 35mm anamorphic film like INGLORIOUS BASTERDS was though, wouldn't said DI retain the full vertical resolution?

Chris

I really don't think so. 4K is the only standard output format that can actually retain the full vertical resolution of a 2K anamorphic scan. If it was exported at the scan resolution, 2048x1536, I suppose all the resolution would be retained, but that's not a 2K export standard, and the industry loves their standards.

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

For what LOTR is, it is great...for the UHD space. But we would have probably all been better off it was just a new HD Blu-ray.

Which would have probably involved less invasive additional DNR

That World War film permanently warped Peter Jackson's taste. A Blu-Ray would've been just as DNR'd.

[tama]

Originally Posted by Matt89

So on fb DigitalBits have deleted everyone’s comments criticizing their review and posted this:

“For the record: On a title like this, which was shot on film but finished as a 2K DI, the usual procedure is to rescan the negative for live action, upsample the 2K VFX shots, and rebuild the DI in 4K, then regrade for HDR. That rescanning hasn't happened here. Thus the poor image quality and the low video grade.”

~Matt

About an hour ago I read several comments pointing out the inaccuracies of this statement. Went to check now to see if any other comments had been left and......wiped cleaned. If they had the upmost confidence in there claims there would be no need erase or hide dissenting claims. Even more so considering they weren't aggressive or vulgar.

[gates70]

Watched on my 135" screen and it looks great. Perfect? No. Definitely an upgrade. These piece of shit accounts like Films at Home and HD Movie Source won't be happy until everything goes directly to digital and then they won't have a choice. Morons.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by wright96d

That World War film permanently warped Peter Jackson's taste. A Blu-Ray would've been just as DNR'd.

You are probably right.