Westworld: Season One 4K UHD (2016)

[minister_x]

Still a (TV) series like you originally wrote - but I agree this release is highly significant!

[RockyIII]

A few months ago, I would have bet that Game of Thrones would have been the first drama TV series to get released in Ultra HD...boy was I wrong

[imsounoriginal]

$42.31 for the 4K tin on Amazon.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

$42.31 for the 4K tin on Amazon.

Best Buy will match prices

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[imsounoriginal]

Amazon for me, pre-order placed.

[tyrok]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Best Buy will match prices

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Best Buy doesn't change prices in reaction to Amazon. They will price match whatever price it is at the time though. Who knows what that will be in 2 months?

[imsounoriginal]

It's already gone up by a penny. So glad I locked in that low price yesterday lol

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by tyrok

Best Buy doesn't change prices in reaction to Amazon. They will price match whatever price it is at the time though. Who knows what that will be in 2 months?

I doubt it will drop to any lower than $42 by Novemeber.

[ZHobbs]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I doubt it will drop to any lower than $42 by Novemeber.

I'm with you, I'd be shocked if it was any cheaper until Black Friday.


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[puddy77]

Some interesting comments from cinematographer Paul Cameron:

HBO doesn’t mandate a 4K finish like Netflix and some other parties. How was the DI handled?

Encore colorist Shane Harris and I have worked together often, and he handled the DI. When you run neg through a Spirit, it is a different feeling entirely from using any digital capture system, where there are limitations to colorspace and how we can color-correct, so that was very exciting for me. The pilot and series were finished at 2K, with the visual effects done at 3K. Then about a month ago, we did an HDR transfer of the whole project for home video. There were issues with grain on the HDR; it is very quirky in how it picks up grain in some scenes and not others. We did tests with 4K scans and found that grain issue was actually more objectionable than with the 2K scans. A lot of people think in terms of resolution or pixels. But nobody ever measured the amount of pigment in paint [laughs], so I encourage people not to get caught up in an intellectual exercise over numbers, and concentrate instead on the toolset that gives you an appropriate look.

http://www.studiodaily.com/2017/08/c...ds-pilot-film/

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by puddy77

Some interesting comments from cinematographer Paul Cameron:
http://www.studiodaily.com/2017/08/c...ds-pilot-film/

And that, my friends, is why they need to start just shooting with digital cameras at 4k+ Resolution and mastering at 4k. Hdr makes grain worse so film shot moves can have unintentional grain.

Excellent find and that thanks for posting!!

[TheSweetieMan]

Or, alternatively, the artists can continue shooting on whichever medium they prefer.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

Or, alternatively, the artists can continue shooting on whichever medium they prefer.

Or not.

Because as the above director found out, film and hdr do not go that great together. It'll be interesting to see if it changes his mind on shooting with film going forward. There is a REAL issue with film and hdr, if you want to pretend it doesn't exist then that's your own prerogative, but it's 2017 and hdr will only become more of a standard for how movies and TV shows are mastered.


Here's another Hollywood colorslist talking about the issues with film and hdr since you want to pretend the issues don't exist.


http://www.definitionmagazine.com/jo...-ready-for-hdr

[EbonDragon]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Or not.

Because as the above director found out, film and hdr do not go that great together. It'll be interesting to see if it changes his mind on shooting with film going forward. There is a REAL issue with film and hdr, if you want to pretend it doesn't exist then that's your own prerogative, but it's 2017 and hdr will only become more of a standard for how movies and TV shows are mastered.


Here's another Hollywood colorslist talking about the issues with film and hdr since you want to pretend the issues don't exist.


http://www.definitionmagazine.com/jo...-ready-for-hdr

Nowhere in his post is he saying that the issues don’t exist. Only that filmmakers should choose the tools they want. As the guy being quoted also stated and which you might have overlooked: don’t get caught up in the numbers, but use the tools you want for the look you want.

[xbs2034]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Or not.

Because as the above director found out, film and hdr do not go that great together. It'll be interesting to see if it changes his mind on shooting with film going forward. There is a REAL issue with film and hdr, if you want to pretend it doesn't exist then that's your own prerogative, but it's 2017 and hdr will only become more of a standard for how movies and TV shows are mastered.


Here's another Hollywood colorslist talking about the issues with film and hdr since you want to pretend the issues don't exist.


http://www.definitionmagazine.com/jo...-ready-for-hdr

If you read the interview, he absolutely was in favor of and glad they shot on film, describing that as a "major plus", so I doubt it will change his mind.

Yes, he said the grain was inconsistent with how it registered on the HDR grade, but as he then mentions, it is more about using the appropriate tools to get the look you want. And in this case, film was best for the look the creative team wanted, even if there are drawbacks as with any format, rather than just trying to hit certain tech specs like a 4K DI or HDR (indeed we are seeing some discs release without HDR, and I'm all for directors/cinematographers choosing to pass on HDR if it doesn't match their intended look).

[RockyIII]

Does that mean that WestWorld will turn out to be a poor conversion?

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[trippledx3]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Does that mean that WestWorld will turn out to be a poor conversion?

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What, why? To me it sounds like it will look great!

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by trippledx3

What, why? To me it sounds like it will look great!

"film and hdr do not go that great together"?

[minister_x]

It sounds like through their experiments a 4K scan with HDR resulted in what they considered to be a worse transfer than a 2K scan with HDR. Hence what would seem to be a 2K scan with HDR (but maybe with 3K visual effects?) instead of a 4K scan with HDR for the UHD.

Doesn't bother me, as I'm sure it'll look great whatever (and we've seen what fantastic results you can get from other 2K sources and DIs - such as John Wick 2). However, it sounds like they don't like the fact that a 4K scan with HDR exhibits more film grain than they imagined it might. Without seeing what they saw, the comments on grain being an 'issue' sound like a subjective analysis rather than an objective one, but it also sounds like the grain varied between scenes a lot and so they went for the more consistent look of a 2K scan with HDR. Which is fair enough!

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by minister_x

It sounds like through their experiments a 4K scan with HDR resulted in what they considered to be a worse transfer than a 2K scan with HDR. Hence what would seem to be a 2K scan with HDR (but maybe with 3K visual effects?) instead of a 4K scan with HDR for the UHD.

Doesn't bother me, as I'm sure it'll look great whatever (and we've seen what fantastic results you can get from other 2K sources and DIs - such as John Wick 2). However, it sounds like they don't like the fact that a 4K scan with HDR exhibits more film grain than they imagined it might. Without seeing what they saw, the comments on grain being an 'issue' sound like a subjective analysis rather than an objective one, but it also sounds like the grain varied between scenes a lot and so they went for the more consistent look of a 2K scan with HDR. Which is fair enough!

The only native 4K I own is Amazing SpiderMan 2 and the grain is heavy in many shots. It does seem that 2K sources fair better in HDR