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Old 09-23-2021, 06:24 AM   #1
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Honestly the gen 4 drive was probably over kill. I am not mad at Sony for future proofing the console with it, but I am not happy with them requiring it for upgrades right now when I doubt any of the games actually require it, especially when 99% can be ran on a PC with even the most basic SSD, and when the Xbox is just as capable of a console (if not more so in many regards) and it only uses gen 3 SSDs. It is what it is though, and the price on the 1TB 750SE is actually very decent. Will probably go with that for now until the 2TB drives come down in price.
That’s the Western Digital SN750SE right? That’s the only SSD I can find that’s got 750SE in the name.

If so that SSD isn’t compatible with the PS5.
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That’s the Western Digital SN750SE right? That’s the only SSD I can find that’s got 750SE in the name.

If so that SSD isn’t compatible with the PS5.
Am gonna take a look at that video. Haven’t seen it yet. I just know WD doesn’t use Phison for their Memory Controllers which is clearly seen in DF’s thumbnail.

Just got done testing (SN850) with what I believe to be the highest demanding PS5 game that I’ve played before, that being Avengers. Power draw has to be around 225 watts. Played 6 hours of that. PS5 was oven ready when I closed app. No performance issues or crashes during gameplay. Turns out to be on-par with Sony’s Internal SSD with regards to loading. Though PS5 Internal is more consistent with load times compared to M.2.

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Old 09-23-2021, 11:55 AM   #3
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That’s the Western Digital SN750SE right? That’s the only SSD I can find that’s got 750SE in the name.

If so that SSD isn’t compatible with the PS5.
The video shows otherwise... Did you watch it?
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The video shows otherwise... Did you watch it?
So it is the WD? I haven’t seen the video I was going by WD site which says it’s a Gen 3 SSD with a max write speed of 3,600MB/s so that’s why I wondered if it’s the same one since the PS5 only supposed to recognise gen 4 devices with +5,000MB/s.
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I've seen a screenshot of one of these SSD's storage capacity. It showed the capacity of a 2TB drive actually being a full 2TB of usable storage, and not like 1.7TB or so usable storage "2TB" hard drives used to have. Or PS5's internal 800GB drive actually having something like 670GB of actual usable space.

Is this true for all of these SSDs?
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So it is the WD? I haven’t seen the video I was going by WD site which says it’s a Gen 3 SSD with a max write speed of 3,600MB/s so that’s why I wondered if it’s the same one since the PS5 only supposed to recognise gen 4 devices with +5,000MB/s.
It is a “Modified” Gen3 250GB WD model.
It is advertised as Gen4 3,200GB/s

Its memory Controller is a Gen4 Phison.

That is the only reason PS5 accepts this drive.

As for DF’s Video...

I’ll never understand why they continue to show every area in Ratchet that isn’t taxing to the SSD’s READs. For those unaware, Level 5 BLIZAR PRIME is theeee spot where Ratchet has to load in nearly 17GB of Data in a few seconds. If you’re confused, it’s the level that when you first arrive, you have to hit a crystal which then changes the entire world in 2 seconds. It’s also Not-On-Rails.

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Old 09-23-2021, 05:27 AM   #7
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I don't mind the SSD I get for my PS5 being overkill at this point. As was mentioned, it's future proofing coming in at a premium. But just because a cheaper, slower SSD works fine on games released already doesn't mean they can handle the ones the come out in 5+ years seamlessly.

I'm not the kind of person that constantly updates my tech, and I try not to spend hundreds of $ at a time on anything that can avoid it. But in this case I would be (unfortunately) spending almost the equivalent to the cost of a PS5 on an SSD for one because I don't want to think about it or upgrade it any time soon. And with Amazon gift cards saved up over the years, I'm actually looking at spending only $300 on a 2TB overkill drive with 3rd party heatsink that, if I feel like it, I can put in my laptop later. Still a lot of money but I'm looking at it like I won't need to spend that money again in a very long time.
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I don't mind the SSD I get for my PS5 being overkill at this point. As was mentioned, it's future proofing coming in at a premium. But just because a cheaper, slower SSD works fine on games released already doesn't mean they can handle the ones the come out in 5+ years seamlessly.

I'm not the kind of person that constantly updates my tech, and I try not to spend hundreds of $ at a time on anything that can avoid it. But in this case I would be (unfortunately) spending almost the equivalent to the cost of a PS5 on an SSD for one because I don't want to think about it or upgrade it any time soon. And with Amazon gift cards saved up over the years, I'm actually looking at spending only $300 on a 2TB overkill drive with 3rd party heatsink that, if I feel like it, I can put in my laptop later. Still a lot of money but I'm looking at it like I won't need to spend that money again in a very long time.
Got my MHQ heatsink today & went to work on the PS5 to install my SN850.

1 thing to note which you may or may not know is you only have 2 options after booting up your PS5. You can format it or you can power off console & take out the drive. So no pictures or videos can be stored. Just games & apps. You can still use your USB drive.

The biggest pain in the arse for me wasn’t putting the double sided heatsink together or any installation for that matter. It was putting the console back on my TV shelf in horizontal position & doing cable management while fiddling with the cheap Sony stand. Ugh. They should have a Screw for that stand when placing the console horizontally.

Anyway, got it all set up.

Formatted & reads were 6,500GB/s

Put the god awful Avengers game on it (97GB) & played a few hours so far.
The Internal PS5 SSD is faster at 2 things with this crap game.

1 Loading in general is around 1 second faster on internal.
2 Previewing character cosmetics takes longer to load all asset details.

PS5 hates Avengers too. Doesn’t matter where the game is stored. It draws the most power of any PS5 game I’ve played & the System does get warmer than other PS5 titles.

Not a good test case here obviously but I’m basically stress testing the SN850 to see if it’ll crash the game. 3-4 hours, no crashes & my PS5 hasn’t melted yet.
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Got my MHQ heatsink today & went to work on the PS5 to install my SN850.

1 thing to note which you may or may not know is you only have 2 options after booting up your PS5. You can format it or you can power off console & take out the drive. So no pictures or videos can be stored. Just games & apps. You can still use your USB drive.

The biggest pain in the arse for me wasn’t putting the double sided heatsink together or any installation for that matter. It was putting the console back on my TV shelf in horizontal position & doing cable management while fiddling with the cheap Sony stand. Ugh. They should have a Screw for that stand when placing the console horizontally.

Anyway, got it all set up.

Formatted & reads were 6,500GB/s

Put the god awful Avengers game on it (97GB) & played a few hours so far.
The Internal PS5 SSD is faster at 2 things with this crap game.

1 Loading in general is around 1 second faster on internal.
2 Previewing character cosmetics takes longer to load all asset details.

PS5 hates Avengers too. Doesn’t matter where the game is stored. It draws the most power of any PS5 game I’ve played & the System does get warmer than other PS5 titles.

Not a good test case here obviously but I’m basically stress testing the SN850 to see if it’ll crash the game. 3-4 hours, no crashes & my PS5 hasn’t melted yet.
One thing I wish people making SSD expansion comparison videos would do is use games other than Cyberpunk and Ratchet and Clank to test them. R&C is clearly very well optimized and a bit too ideal to keep using and only using. Like you did, using Avengers and several other games that may not be as well made or optimized would be a more realistic test case for these SSDs loading assets. Give me the chonky nonsense of AC Valhalla in these tests!
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Old 09-24-2021, 01:24 AM   #10
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One thing I wish people making SSD expansion comparison videos would do is use games other than Cyberpunk and Ratchet and Clank to test them. R&C is clearly very well optimized and a bit too ideal to keep using and only using. Like you did, using Avengers and several other games that may not be as well made or optimized would be a more realistic test case for these SSDs loading assets. Give me the chonky nonsense of AC Valhalla in these tests!
i think they R&C because of the fact that you can switch between two different worlds on the fly, like The Medium... whose developers said it couldn't be done on last gen consoles due to the slow load times on hard drives. The only different it will make in those other games is an extra 2-3 seconds from a cold boot up of the game.
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i think they R&C because of the fact that you can switch between two different worlds on the fly, like The Medium... whose developers said it couldn't be done on last gen consoles due to the slow load times on hard drives. The only different it will make in those other games is an extra 2-3 seconds from a cold boot up of the game.
Maybe because of spoilers they do not show the most taxing SSD stress test in Ratchet. Everything they have shown in Ratchet can work below 5.5GBs.

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I’ll never understand why they continue to show every area in Ratchet that isn’t taxing to the SSD’s READs. For those unaware, Level 5 BLIZAR PRIME is theeee spot where Ratchet has to load in nearly 17GB of Data in a few seconds. If you’re confused, it’s the level that when you first arrive, you have to hit a crystal which then changes the entire world in 2 seconds. It’s also Not-On-Rails.
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One thing I wish people making SSD expansion comparison videos would do is use games other than Cyberpunk and Ratchet and Clank to test them. R&C is clearly very well optimized and a bit too ideal to keep using and only using. Like you did, using Avengers and several other games that may not be as well made or optimized would be a more realistic test case for these SSDs loading assets. Give me the chonky nonsense of AC Valhalla in these tests!
Well Day 2 of using the SN850, I decided to transfer Kena Bridge of Spirits.

Played roughly 6-8 hours finishing up the collectables.

Kena is a good test. Being that this team never made a PS5 game let alone any other on any other platform before.

Anywhoo 6-8 hours of continuous play, the SN850 started to show performance issues with regards to FPS. It’s possible the new 1.05v patch added these performance hits but I’m betting my money that it’s the SN850 being the culprit here.
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Well Day 2 of using the SN850, I decided to transfer Kena Bridge of Spirits.

Played roughly 6-8 hours finishing up the collectables.

Kena is a good test. Being that this team never made a PS5 game let alone any other on any other platform before.

Anywhoo 6-8 hours of continuous play, the SN850 started to show performance issues with regards to FPS. It’s possible the new 1.05v patch added these performance hits but I’m betting my money that it’s the SN850 being the culprit here.
Honestly, i'd think it's possibly something else. The SSD shouldn't be causing an issue given in the tests it usually doesn't either. As you said, it's got a new patch. That could be more of a culprit.

Tbh, i feel like with things as they stand, i might not be able to get a good price on the 2TB upgrade i want for the NVMe for a few years. If the 2023ish rumours of a PS5 Pro pan out, i might grab both at the same time. I'm unfortunately a sucker for better performance at 4K right now even with the PS5 i have.
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It should be all available considering the OS is installed on the internal SSD.

Anyway... https://www.tomshardware.com/amp/new...igital-foundry
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It should be all available considering the OS is installed on the internal SSD.

Anyway... https://www.tomshardware.com/amp/new...igital-foundry
I agree it should be, but it’s not.
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Can I have both PS5 and PS4 games on an external drive at the same time? (I know PS5 games can't be played from external.)

Can I have both PS5 and PS4 games on extra internal storage at the same time?

Can I have both extra internal storage and an external drive at the same time?

Can I get this 4 TB hard drive for extra internal storage?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08VF99PV8...nUQumlOZt&th=1

and this heat sink for it?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/185000210269

(already bought the heat sink in case it sold out but want to make sure it's ok)

Is it easy to install a heat sink?

Thanks!

I'd like to start with extra internal for now and later figure out an external drive for my PS4 games. I just had to uninstall Cyberpunk so that I could install Deathloop. So I want to do this now since I'm like a big game away again from having to uninstall stuff.
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Can I have both PS5 and PS4 games on an external drive at the same time? (I know PS5 games can't be played from external.)

Can I have both PS5 and PS4 games on extra internal storage at the same time?

Can I have both extra internal storage and an external drive at the same time?

Can I get this 4 TB hard drive for extra internal storage?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08VF99PV8...nUQumlOZt&th=1

and this heat sink for it?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/185000210269

(already bought the heat sink in case it sold out but want to make sure it's ok)

Is it easy to install a heat sink?

Thanks!

I'd like to start with extra internal for now and later figure out an external drive for my PS4 games. I just had to uninstall Cyberpunk so that I could install Deathloop. So I want to do this now since I'm like a big game away again from having to uninstall stuff.
Well my heat sink came. So I got that. Now I just need to know if I can use it with that hard drive and if that hard drive will work on the PS5. I saw something that said the 2 TB would work but I want the 4 TB. And I have no idea if I can use the heat sink I got with it. If anyone knows or knows the answer to any of my other questions and wants to answer I would not object.
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Well my heat sink came. So I got that. Now I just need to know if I can use it with that hard drive and if that hard drive will work on the PS5. I saw something that said the 2 TB would work but I want the 4 TB. And I have no idea if I can use the heat sink I got with it. If anyone knows or knows the answer to any of my other questions and wants to answer I would not object.
As long as you know the heatsink fits inside your PS5 you should be good.

Before attaching any thermal pads to the SSD, try slotting the heatsink inside the PS5’s SSD Expansion bay as well as check if the expansion bay cover still fits over it.

If it does fit,

Make sure you have 2 thermal pads. One for each side of the SSD. It’s easier to place 1 thermal pad on the bottom side of the heatsink, then place the SSD on top of it. Then put the 2nd thermal pad on Top of SSD & put top heatsink on that. Make sure you remove both ends of stickers from each of the thermal pads.

Make sure you align the SSD in the heatsink properly so the back cutout hole doesn’t overlap. Then you shouldn’t have issues actually plugging in the SSD once it is complete.
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NASCompares has some interesting videos on these on his YouTube channel. He’s done lots of tests on SSD’s in the PS5.
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I just bought this 2TB w/heatsink for $240

Corsair MP600 CORE 2TB M.2 NVMe PCIe x4 Gen4 SSD (Up to 4,950MB/sec Sequential Read & 3,700MB/sec Sequential Write Speeds, High-Speed Interface, 3D QLC NAND, Built-in Heatspreader) Aluminum https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08TB1D2WC...ing=UTF8&psc=1

People who have bought the card have reported it working fine with the PS5, though the heatsink is a bit big. If it doesn't work out well I'll just use it on my next PC build.
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