Superman: The Movie 4K UHD (1978)

[LeonardH]

Who has a computer or laptop with 4K display? That is why I described my initial impression that I watched in on an LG OLED 4k TV

[Dailyan]

Originally Posted by LeonardH

Who has a computer or laptop with 4K display?

People that work on 4K masters or some of those "weird" types that like to stream stuff.

[Mocorongo]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

No need to "download" anything, it's been stated repeatedly that the images didn't have any kind of proper transform applied to them. I've seen this before from completely unknown posters who wade in and think they're breaking the news to us when we know all along what the problem is, it's not our fault you're so consumed with your own sense of outrage that you won't actually listen to people who are watching the disc in its intended environment, via a UHD player on a 4K HDR television.

Maybe that's why people rarely use a PC nowadays. So full of s.hit...

I wouldn't think this was a filter issue in a million years, if you ask me.

I don't like messing with these filters because often they either degrade the image (and correcting the colors for many is a workaround, not a way of adjusting your settings) or introduce new issues. Calibrating your TV with a manual is easier than messing with software you need to visit an online forum for further info. You obviously need to know what you are doing otherwise you'll put the blame where there is none.

And of course I didn't think there was anything wrong because all the other contents looked OK.

There was no hint (except for washed out colors). You'll have to admit color changes are not something you can tell right away it's wrong. And considering how much tinkering it happened to this date you don't even bother looking into this anymore. Except if you are like me and never trust everything is perfect and no one is wrong.

[Geoff D]

Sometimes you gotta take it on faith that other people might actually be right though. If you don't know what HDR is or what it does then of course you wouldn't have any idea of what it would take to get it looking right on a PC but trust me: in that respect (watching UHD on a PC) you're in an extremely small minority so its no wonder your specific issues aren't being catered to. Acting like an arrogant arse when people don't know you from Adam doesn't help your cause either, just FYI.

[bradnoyes]

Two of my main interests/hobbies and PCs (building them and for gaming) and home theater stuff (primarily for watching UHD content). I’ve got quite a few friends in real life who share those interests and I’ve met many more online through forums like these. Despite interacting with so many people who share one or both of those interests, this is maybe the first time I’ve seen someone who is serious about watching UHDs on a PC. Definitely an odd choice.

[Dragon Ranger]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Zimmer's score was okay for the mood set by Man of Steel, but they should have kept the main theme by Williams in place for Superman. It's so closely associated with the character that tossing it was a terribly short-sighted decision.

Did Disney toss Williams' original Star Wars main theme out when making their movies? Of course not.

The new Star Wars trilogy is part of the same saga as the older once so musical continuity makes sense. Man of Steel has nothing to do with Superman The Movie in that regard so a different score makes sense.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

They are direct HDR caps

They look like that as the HDR cannot be seen on an SDR display

Understood.

It's funny how they look similar to the poor HDR television experience though. I know because at first I had a poor HDR television, and images looked mostly low contrast, low color and drained like that. Not as bad of course, but that's what my mind leaps to whenever people complain about such things.

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

It isn’t that you’re “making them up”, but posting RAW images that need an HDR panel to display correctly and using those to COMPARE the UHD to the blu-ray captures that are in the correct color space is just plain useless, not to mention apples to oranges. The fact that the disc looks that way on a TV with no HDR is equally useless information. You may as well say “these look wrong when displayed incorrectly”. Well...yeah.

Not just that, but the image needs to be in a format that supports the higher bit depth & color space, as well as the static HDR metadata (JXR, for example.)

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by LeonardH

Who has a computer or laptop with 4K display?

tons of people
4k monitors have been out for some years

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by Mocorongo

Maybe that's why people rarely use a PC nowadays. So full of s.hit...

I wouldn't think this was a filter issue in a million years, if you ask me.

I don't like messing with these filters because often they either degrade the image (and correcting the colors for many is a workaround, not a way of adjusting your settings) or introduce new issues. Calibrating your TV with a manual is easier than messing with software you need to visit an online forum for further info. You obviously need to know what you are doing otherwise you'll put the blame where there is none.

And of course I didn't think there was anything wrong because all the other contents looked OK.

There was no hint (except for washed out colors). You'll have to admit color changes are not something you can tell right away it's wrong. And considering how much tinkering it happened to this date you don't even bother looking into this anymore. Except if you are like me and never trust everything is perfect and no one is wrong.

it's not applying a filter, it's just that if UHD are stored in wide gamut and in a special luminance ramp form and if you just look at the image on say an sRGB gamut monitor set to say gamma 2.2 or something, it will look awful because first viewing wide gamut without transforming to sRGB primaries means colors will all look ultra dingy, faded out, similar and viewing the unusual tone map that HDR discs are stored in without transforming to 2.2 will look very faded and weird

all you need to do is apply the proper transform from the encoding to whatever your display is set to

software like MPC+MAD VR will automatically do those basics for you without even getting into to custom adjusting anything

EDIT: I see you later added on MAD VR to auto do the basic transforms

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by bradnoyes

Two of my main interests/hobbies and PCs (building them and for gaming) and home theater stuff (primarily for watching UHD content). I’ve got quite a few friends in real life who share those interests and I’ve met many more online through forums like these. Despite interacting with so many people who share one or both of those interests, this is maybe the first time I’ve seen someone who is serious about watching UHDs on a PC. Definitely an odd choice.

why an odd choice? it's the best choice

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by Purploros

Can someone explain why the 4K disc played on an SDR display would look like that when the VUDU digital copy of the new transfer streamed in HDX on my SDR television doesn’t? Makes me reluctant to shell out the half the grand I was planning to set aside for a Panasonic DP-UB820 . . .

because he must be using some weird software that isn't applying any gamma or color space transforms and your streaming software is applying transform from encoded format to your display format

[bradnoyes]

Originally Posted by WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW

why an odd choice? it's the best choice

I can maybe imagine a scenario where someone with extensive knowledge of PC hardware and software, display technologies, and what UHD films are actually supposed to look like could make a fairly nice setup for themselves. But that's going to be a fairly insignificant portion of the general population, and it's also going to almost certainly require that they connect the PC to a high quality 4K TV as opposed to a typical 4K PC monitor, which are still well behind the TV market when it comes to HDR/WCG implementation. Building a nice PC just to connect it to a TV kind of defeats the purpose for me, though I know quite a few people who prefer having a PC as their media center so I accept that just be a prejudice of mine. But I would agree with you--if it's more of a workstation/media hub and not really meant for gaming--that a PC could be a good option for UHD playback in the right circumstances.

As a gamer, I think it would be cool to make a kick-ass gaming PC that also doubles as a backup option for watching UHDs when my TV isn't available, but it's really not feasible. By default, all the things that I love about PC monitors--such as high refresh rates, G-sync/freesync, ultrawide aspect ratio, IPS/VA panels, smaller size--don't really go well with watching movies.

[Dailyan]

Mars, that “+” button next to “quote” is to multiquote multiple users so you don’t have to create an individual reply for each one.

[punisher]

Originally Posted by WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW

why an odd choice? it's the best choice

[rubystone356]

the youtube on the roku machine has that problem of the color not being right that was shown on the superman pictures.. its not able to process it or not. the ps4 does it with no problem.

Jacob

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by Purploros

Can someone explain why the 4K disc played on an SDR display would look like that when the VUDU digital copy of the new transfer streamed in HDX on my SDR television doesn’t? Makes me reluctant to shell out the half the grand I was planning to set aside for a Panasonic DP-UB820 . . .

It won't look like that as the player will adapt the disc's picture to your SDR TV.
Those "greys" are what happens when HDR PQ is not applied.

More info here of how UHD images work vs SDR images with picture examples.

[batutta]

Well I just watched the 4k UHD disc on my 1080p projector and it looked amazing. Best the film has ever looked or sounded on any home format. Perfect to my eyes.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by bradnoyes

I can maybe imagine a scenario where someone with extensive knowledge of PC hardware and software, display technologies, and what UHD films are actually supposed to look like could make a fairly nice setup for themselves. But that's going to be a fairly insignificant portion of the general population, and it's also going to almost certainly require that they connect the PC to a high quality 4K TV as opposed to a typical 4K PC monitor, which are still well behind the TV market when it comes to HDR/WCG implementation. Building a nice PC just to connect it to a TV kind of defeats the purpose for me, though I know quite a few people who prefer having a PC as their media center so I accept that just be a prejudice of mine. But I would agree with you--if it's more of a workstation/media hub and not really meant for gaming--that a PC could be a good option for UHD playback in the right circumstances.

As a gamer, I think it would be cool to make a kick-ass gaming PC that also doubles as a backup option for watching UHDs when my TV isn't available, but it's really not feasible. By default, all the things that I love about PC monitors--such as high refresh rates, G-sync/freesync, ultrawide aspect ratio, IPS/VA panels, smaller size--don't really go well with watching movies.

I love using a PC as a media center. Great for recording TV to HD too.
And to get regular old UHD playback you don't even have to fiddle with anything, but if you want to, you can have it tweak things for titles that don't fit your sets HDR well, etc. so you don't have to worry as much about things. (And you can do non-HDR, but with wide gamut, on 4k PC monitors. And you can use dual one PC monitor, one HDTV or swap back and force for the current purpose as best needed.)

Plus, the way they lock everything down audio-wise, it's like they expect you to buy a whole new set of audio equipment every time a new format/DRM protection comes out. With a PC you can continue to send out analog to your very nice equipment and get around the silly 24->16bit forced down conversion for analog out. And you don't need to buy some uber quality player that has top DACs in it and so on. You can cobble together some PC stuff for like $200 that would take $3000+ with external equipment. Studios should realize that with the thousands saved on not having to get new top quality equipment, the money can go to discs instead. Not sure why they do dumb stuff like protected audio path and down sampling. Also, if at times you want to or have to use headphones instead of speakers, well with PC playback you can send the output to an ultra high quality head phone amp and get ultra quality sound.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by Dailyan

Mars, that “+” button next to “quote” is to multiquote multiple users so you don’t have to create an individual reply for each one.

yeah but then you still get the same total length, but now it's much harder for any of the various individuals to respond and you can end up with a mish-mash of ten different themes in one post. What is the obsession with multi-quote on this forum?