Heat (1995) (Director's Definitive Edition)

[motsm]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I've got to completely disagree with you on that. Thankfully most movies are not like Mann's. One should not have a hard time hearing dialogue then having to increase volume to hear it, only to be forced to turn it down because the action is too loud on the ears.

Your TV or receiver may have some form of dynamic range compression you could enable, or a "night mode" that would do the same thing.

[StingingVelvet]

I've never had a hard time hearing dialog in a Mann movie, or with the action being too loud. Then again I didn't have a problem with Interstellar either. I think a lot of people have mild hearing loss and don't even know it.

The only BD I can think of with insane dynamic range that drove me crazy is Thunderball. That sucker (original mono anyway) is insane.

[motsm]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I've never had a hard time hearing dialog in a Mann movie, or with the action being too loud. Then again I didn't have a problem with Interstellar either. I think a lot of people have mild hearing loss and don't even know it.

Yeah, I think Heat sounds fantastic, it's still odd to me seeing all the complaints here, and elsewhere.

[Pieter V]

The only issue preventing me from giving the soundtrack a higher score is that I found the dialogue to be awfully quiet in places. This is a movie with plenty of soft speech and whispers, and even if the volume is cranked then the really loud scenes can be almost deafening. If the vocals had only been turned up just a bit, this mix would be outstanding.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/1386/heat.html

Our only gripe with either encoding, however, is that the action sequences are notably louder in the mix than the dialogue, so reaching for the remote to compensate should be expected. Otherwise, an impressive pair of multi-channel encodes all around.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/11/...blu-ray-review

Only one issue: many of the dialogue scenes get mighty quiet, so you'll probably find yourself jockeying the volume control pretty frequently.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/38584/heat/

There's some disparity between the dialogue mix and the intense sound effects at times, so be cautious about cranking your system up too high.

http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/heatbluray.php

Dialogue is perhaps the only dubious aspect - a criticism often levelled at Mann's movies as, apparently, he has some hearing issues - which does mean that you will occasionally reach for the volume control, but this is a reasonably price to pay for the aggressiveness of the rest of the track.

https://www.avforums.com/review/heat...ay-review.1277

Etc etc etc etc. I'm no fan of the soundmix either. Unbalanced like hell. Really the dialogue volume is way too low. And no there is nothing wrong with my ears, nor my room. Even if you boost the center channel to 15+ db it's still not perfect.

This really needs to be remixed and corrected. Period. The DVD soundmix was just transferred to Blu-ray, with the same defects.

[Geoff D]

The Laserdisc AC3 mix sounded better to me.

[Paul.R.S]

Originally Posted by Maggot

You mean fairly insignificant, considering the general quality......or lack there of in this case......of so many "nothing" movies in one release announcement. Another epic fail on Fox's part with that July 1st news.....

No, I mean significant given the lack of direct Fox and MGM catalog releases lately. Regardless of any person's personal disinterest in/disdain towards the films themselves, the fact that this quantity of releases is happening and is being released by Fox directly instead of licensed to Twilight Time is noteworthy.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I've never had a hard time hearing dialog in a Mann movie, or with the action being too loud. Then again I didn't have a problem with Interstellar either. I think a lot of people have mild hearing loss and don't even know it.

The only BD I can think of with insane dynamic range that drove me crazy is Thunderball. That sucker (original mono anyway) is insane.

Good point on the hearing loss especially since many of us have been listening to loud movies and music for years. (FYI - try not to exceed 80-85 db in your set-up to preserve hearing.) I do have some mild hearing loss noted when I took a hearing test - thanks to my high school days in my Mustang GT and audio set-up turned up to 11. However, I don't need a hearing aid and I don't encounter this issue other other movies other than Mann's. I actually didn't think Heat was as bad as some of his others. I watched The Last of The Mohicans the other night and the issue was really bad on that one. My audio calibration is excellent, very thorough and well suited to my listening environment too. The Pro Audyssey cal on my Denon X3000 done by my calibrator (Chad Billheimer) allows for some great stuff and the REW done afterwards is icing on the cake.

[Paul.R.S]

Originally Posted by jihnvu

We are finally getting a remastered Goodfellas so the odds are good that they would do the same here. Of course I just watched my Batman 25th Anniversary Edition that is the same old disc that defaults to dolby digital so...

If indeed the October 6 Warner 20th anni release is canceled (which I tend to agree that it likely is), the August 11 release will be the "anniversary" release . . . and it's from Fox. So the Goodfellas release from Warner wouldn't be precedential insofar as it's from a different studio.

[Scarriere]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I've never had a hard time hearing dialog in a Mann movie, or with the action being too loud. Then again I didn't have a problem with Interstellar either. I think a lot of people have mild hearing loss and don't even know it.

The only BD I can think of with insane dynamic range that drove me crazy is Thunderball. That sucker (original mono anyway) is insane.

Originally Posted by motsm

Yeah, I think Heat sounds fantastic, it's still odd to me seeing all the complaints here, and elsewhere.

I don't understand the complaints about the volume on this and I do have some mild hearing loss. I've watched this several times and didn't notice anything at all. Now after reading how bad it is, I probably will start noticing it, just like with the lens flare on Star Trek.

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by Paul.R.S

If indeed the October 6 Warner 20th anni release is canceled (which I tend to agree that it likely is), the August 11 release will be the "anniversary" release . . . and it's from Fox. So the Goodfellas release from Warner wouldn't be precedential insofar as it's from a different studio.

The fact the current Blu-ray already has been supervised by Michael Mann, I don't expect any surprises.

[Eny-]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

(FYI - try not to exceed 80-85 db in your set-up to preserve hearing.)

Oh wow. My max is 65 db and that is loud!

I tried 84db the other day (THX reference for my config, it seems) and it was wayyyy too loud.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Eny-

Oh wow. My max is 65 db and that is loud!

I tried 84db the other day (THX reference for my config, it seems) and it was wayyyy too loud.

65 db can be plenty and that is closer to normal conversation.

80-85 db would include peaks of explosions, action scenes, etc. Most of the time it would be less in a movie I watch. I used a sound meter to gauge and I was already in that area of db. That should be fine for a 2-3 hour movie.

It's also not just db level, but duration of such.

http://www.livescience.com/32783-how...r-hearing.html

[LateReg]

I've always noticed that the blu-ray of Heat has a very quiet volume throughout. Without getting technical about my system or anything, I can tell you that my volume on the receiver goes up to 100. Usually, I watch movies at 75 and that's like theater surround sound. Heat is the only blu-ray I've ever watched other than XXX and the first season of Sherlock that I have to turn all the way up to 100. And even at 100 Heat still seems incredibly quiet throughout, as though my receiver were set to about 60. Its not just that the dialogue is mixed experimentally low like it seems to be during Blackhat or Miami Vice, it's that everything seems muted on the blu-ray - the music, dialogue, etc. That's my experience with the disc, which I've viewed twice to the same effect.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by LateReg

Heat is the only blu-ray I've ever watched other than XXX

[motsm]

Originally Posted by LateReg

I've always noticed that the blu-ray of Heat has a very quiet volume throughout. Without getting technical about my system or anything, I can tell you that my volume on the receiver goes up to 100. Usually, I watch movies at 75 and that's like theater surround sound. Heat is the only blu-ray I've ever watched other than XXX and the first season of Sherlock that I have to turn all the way up to 100. And even at 100 Heat still seems incredibly quiet throughout, as though my receiver were set to about 60. Its not just that the dialogue is mixed experimentally low like it seems to be during Blackhat or Miami Vice, it's that everything seems muted on the blu-ray - the music, dialogue, etc. That's my experience with the disc, which I've viewed twice to the same effect.

Heat has a very large dynamic range, and as long as it was properly normalized during mastering, it will have the same peak volume as most discs. The reason it appears quieter is because the RMS volume is lower, since those peaks occur in just a few scenes. Most discs are compressed and limited during mastering, which will cut all of the peaks off of the loudest parts of the mix and raise the lower moments, making dialogue and other quiet sounds louder. The problem is that cutting those peaks off removes a significant amount of the dynamic range, resulting in a gunshot or car crash essentially having the same peak volume as a man yelling, or slamming a door. Heat is relatively uncompressed however, so it's loud moments actually peak above the rest of the mix, rather than simply saturate the RMS volume with compressed sound to appear louder.

[DuaneB]

Did I miss something? Why is this being released by Fox?

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by DuaneB

Did I miss something? Why is this being released by Fox?

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=263834

[willo007]

Originally Posted by DuaneB

Did I miss something? Why is this being released by Fox?

Arnon Milchan, owner of Rgency Enterprises who once had distrubution deal with Warner Bros., Now he has a distrubution deal fox, (for a while now), he wanted his products released. So he took his catalog to Fox.

[DuaneB]

Originally Posted by willo007

Arnon Milchan, owner of Rgency Enterprises who once had distrubution deal with Warner Bros., Now he has a distrubution deal fox, (for a while now), he wanted his products released. So he took his catalog to Fox.

I did not know about that. Thanks for the info.

[The Rider]

Why the did this? Fox dont release mor catalog titles on Blu-ray than Warner, some releases in Europe missing completly.

Further, which are his plans on a Anniversary Edition of Heat?

And is this deal only for the US market or worldwide?