Evil Dead 2 4K UHD (1987)

[Geoff D]

The compression on the smoke in the doorway in cap #8 ain't so hot but eh, it's StudioCanaltown.

[LoSouL]

I don't see teal in the sky. Switching between UHD and LG 25th on the sky, the UHD is normal light blue and the BD is legit green: https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x...4&l=0&i=0&go=1

The jeans and the surrounding stuff, I can't tell if it's teal or Warm, but I'll hope for Warm.

[gigan72]

Hmm. Smoke looks dodgy in cap 3, cap 7 has some dodgy colors but that's more than likely due to HDR to SDR conversion, and the smoke looks funky again in cap 8. Doesn't looks bad on the whole though, and it does look like a pretty nice upgrade. Cap 11 looks great and the skies colors in the fist cap are waaaay better, and the same color improvement is present in cap 13. Pretty decent overall.

[batman2000]

Originally Posted by gigan72

Hmm. Smoke looks dodgy in cap 3, cap 7 has some dodgy colors but that's more than likely due to HDR to SDR conversion, and the smoke looks funky again in cap 8. Doesn't looks bad on the whole though, and it does look like a pretty nice upgrade. Cap 11 looks great and the skies colors in the fist cap are waaaay better, and the same color improvement is present in cap 13. Pretty decent overall.

am I imagining things or did the new release have dnr done to it?

[gigan72]

Originally Posted by batman2000

am I imagining things or did the new release have dnr done to it?

Looks more like a result of the compression in some scenes, but I could be wrong.

[JekYL]

Is it just me or does the 4K not look just ****ED here:?

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x...9&l=0&i=6&go=1

Like specifically where the blood is impacting him. Looks to me like it it has tons of digital noise, like they turned the contrast way up and it came out splotchy like that?

I'm sure most of you will say that it's just because I'm not looking at it in motion on an actual 4K TV. But really, is that actually the case?

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by JekYL

Is it just me or does the 4K not look just ****ED here:?

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x...9&l=0&i=6&go=1

Like specifically where the blood is impacting him. Looks to me like it it has tons of digital noise, like they turned the contrast way up and it came out splotchy like that?

I'm sure most of you will say that it's just because I'm not looking at it in motion on an actual 4K TV. But really, is that actually the case?

As I say, that could purely be down to the SDR conversion in the caps. I dislike 4k caps for this reason.

[pawel86ck]

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123224
Detail wise I cant see any difference, but I like UHD grading, BD looks washed out in comparison.

[Brian81]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

As I say, that could purely be down to the SDR conversion in the caps. I dislike 4k caps for this reason.

So what better option is there? Going by 'word'? THE LEOPARD Criterion review shows word is not to be trusted.

Also, every display handles HDR differently, so while someone may say something looks great and looks bad on caps because of SDR conversion, it may still look comparately bad even on their TV.


On this forum we overstate improvements. For a title like LUCY, I played the UHD, swapped discs for something else and went back to it. I DIDN'T realize I had put the plain old BD in. The look is almost identical, and seeing differences is something A/B comparisons brings out. Many talk about how flat BD presentations look, but did you feel that way prior to seeing the UHD? Overall, unless something gets a remaster, the differences aren't as great as people tend to make them out to be. It is the new remasters where the greater PQ improvements show.

[batman2000]

this shows it off better http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123224/

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Brian81

So what better option is there? Going by 'word'? THE LEOPARD Criterion review shows word is not to be trusted.

Also, every display handles HDR differently, so while someone may say something looks great and looks bad on caps because of SDR conversion, it may still look comparately bad even on their TV.


On this forum we overstate improvements. For a title like LUCY, I played the UHD, swapped discs for something else and went back to it. I DIDN'T realize I had put the plain old BD in. The look is almost identical, and seeing differences is something A/B comparisons brings out. Many talk about how flat BD presentations look, but did you feel that way prior to seeing the UHD? Overall, unless something gets a remaster, the differences aren't as great as people tend to make them out to be. It is the new remasters where the greater PQ improvements show.

It's about CONTEXT dude. Did we think Laserdisc was shite back in the day? Did we think DVD was poor or did it rock our world? I know it did mine, and yet just look at some people's comments about they literally can't bear to watch DVD these days. (I'm not one of those BTW) This happens to every format that's the king of the hill, but we don't know it can be improved upon until we're shown that it can be. And FWIW I think the UHD of Lucy is a terrific improvement over what is an already stellar BD.

I'm not white-knighting for the UHD of ED2 though, I haven't seen it in action so I'll keep my counsel (except for the shite StudioCanal compression, but that's a given at this stage).

[batman2000]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's about CONTEXT dude. Did we think Laserdisc was shite back in the day? Did we think DVD was poor or did it rock our world? I know it did mine, and yet just look at some people's comments about they literally can't bear to watch DVD these days. (I'm not one of those BTW) This happens to every format that's the king of the hill, but we don't know it can be improved upon until we're shown that it can be. And FWIW I think the UHD of Lucy is a terrific improvement over what is an already stellar BD.

I'm not white-knighting for the UHD of ED2 though, I haven't seen it in action so I'll keep my counsel (except for the shite StudioCanal compression, but that's a given at this stage).

so the lionsgate release will look better?

[Geoff D]

It may, but only in terms of compression (which is something that doesn't bother most people nearly as much as it does me, so bear that in mind).

[batman2000]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It may, but only in terms of compression (which is something that doesn't bother most people nearly as much as it does me, so bear that in mind).

is compression the only thing bad about the uhd?

[Geoff D]

I don't know. As I said, I haven't seen it yet.

[Brian81]

Originally Posted by batman2000

this shows it off better http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123224/

I don't remember where this shot is. Is he just having cleared the forest or is this where he is still between the trees? There's a major difference in lighting between these two. If he's in a shaded area, then the UHD would be off.

[Brian81]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's about CONTEXT dude. Did we think Laserdisc was shite back in the day? Did we think DVD was poor or did it rock our world? I know it did mine, and yet just look at some people's comments about they literally can't bear to watch DVD these days. (I'm not one of those BTW) This happens to every format that's the king of the hill, but we don't know it can be improved upon until we're shown that it can be. And FWIW I think the UHD of Lucy is a terrific improvement over what is an already stellar BD.

I'm not white-knighting for the UHD of ED2 though, I haven't seen it in action so I'll keep my counsel (except for the shite StudioCanal compression, but that's a given at this stage).

My response was more to the fellow who mentioned disliking 4K screen captures. While they are not "perfect" since displays now determine how images will appear according to their capabilities, they're certainly useful and still easily better than any other resource out there.

I see improvements, but with some titles, the differences aren't so great (IMO!). Evil Dead 1, for example. It is such a minor difference between the two that one isn't missing much if they don't upgrade. It's a touch nicer color and that's about it. And the caps show that.

On Lucy, I think the UHD is better but the difference isn't as significant as a Blade Runner or Tomb Raider. I think both the BD and UHD are artifact city during that early scene where the cheetah is on the prowl through the field.

[Amano]

The last german amaray version was already based off the 4K master and offered the new better colors and the new framing.

Sadly the compression of the UHD is bad and therefore eats some details on some caps compared to the german BD:

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=3&x...0&l=0&i=0&go=1

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=3&x...&l=0&i=12&go=1

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=3&x...6&l=0&i=7&go=1

And the skin tones don't look as sunburnt on the german disc either (although that can be a result of the sdr conversion).

But it is StudioCanal thus we must be grateful that this didn't receive the Terminator treatment. We cannot suppose that they get every detail right

[Geoff D]

I dunno, that's not far off!! The UHD's compression just kills the grain, not just in the smoky shots but in every shot.

But given that the latest German disc has English audio and subs I'm assuming it'll be that exact disc packaged in the UK release.

Man, I REALLY hope that Lionsgate were able to do their own encode for their UHD.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Brian81

My response was more to the fellow who mentioned disliking 4K screen captures. While they are not "perfect" since displays now determine how images will appear according to their capabilities, they're certainly useful and still easily better than any other resource out there.

I see improvements, but with some titles, the differences aren't so great (IMO!). Evil Dead 1, for example. It is such a minor difference between the two that one isn't missing much if they don't upgrade. It's a touch nicer color and that's about it. And the caps show that.

On Lucy, I think the UHD is better but the difference isn't as significant as a Blade Runner or Tomb Raider. I think both the BD and UHD are artifact city during that early scene where the cheetah is on the prowl through the field.

Blade Runner's going from a decade-old bitrate-starved HD DVD encode to a brand new 4K HDR mastering, if it didn't kick the ass of the Blu I'd be very surprised!

Evil Dead 1 is certainly hamstrung by the source as you're just not gonna get 4K detail from 16mm, but the UHD isn't done justice by the caps at all, the extended dynamic range does a great job at drawing out natural-looking highlight detail and the grain is lush, much more prominent in motion.

Lucy still beats the Blu for detail, dynamic range and so on. I'm not sure but I think the wildlife stuff was culled from elsewhere and wasn't specifically shot for the movie, so if it's got artefacts baked in then that can't be helped.