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With regards to wrinkles or warps you can see when a poster is framed, in my opinion it is something you have to live with, unless you have the poster dry mounted. But, if your posters are originals, and you dry mount them, the poster then becomes worthless. Once you alter the state of the poster, it devalues it. But if you don't care about the posters as a "collectible", then you can take the posters out and have them dry mounted to foam board (any good frame shop offers this service) but it will add some thickness to the poster so make sure your frames will support it. But like I said, do NOT do this if you want your orders to retain their value or you are a collector, because it is a process you cant reverse, so once it is done, it is done. It removes the wrinkles and warps you see because it affixes the poster to the styrofoam board eliminating any of these issues you see when you look at it loose inside the frame. All of my originals that I own that are framed are loose between the glass and acid-free backing of the frame. Another poster had mentioned the use of UV-flexiglass over glass, and I can see that in hotter dryer climates, but in Seattle we don't experience a lot of "hot" weather, so I go with UV glass. The poster is placed by a frame store that does my work, loose between the glass and the acid-free backing. Sure I can see some "waves" or ripples but I know that the poster is preserved well and IF I needed to remove it for any reason, the poster would come out with no problems. |
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With regards to original authentic movie posters, that is the terminology for those posters that are sent to movie theaters only, and aren't found for sale in retail shops. A movie studio will have a poster printed up and then they are distributed to movie theaters around the country. The theaters then display the posters inside or outside their theaters to promote films currently running but also films that are coming soon. Original movie posters use to come folded but there were also rolled originals too, but most of them would ship to theaters folded. In the mid-80's studios did away with the folded aspect and began shipping posters out to theaters rolled. Around 1988/1989, studios began issuing "double-sided" originals to theaters for the light box frames you see at theaters. This was done because the light would reflect the image more so when a poster was placed in a light box frame (this also has gone through another change over the past few years too that I will touch on later in this post). Studios continued to issue single-sided originals, but double-sided was become the norm if you will. However, some of the smaller studios that were just starting out were only producing single-sided originals. For example, in the early 90's Miramax Pictures was an unknown studio, and for two of their films "Pulp Fiction" and "The Crow", both of which were released in 1994, ONLY had single-sided originals made. There were no double-sided versions of these posters made. Period. If anyone claims otherwise, they are not as informed as they think they are, because Miramax did not produce double-sided original movie posters for those two films. One of the first double-sided original movie posters from Miramax was for "The English Patient". There are double-sided original movie posters but then there are also single-sided original movie posters. With the exception listed above, the double-sided ones are for movie theaters only, while the single-sided ones are usually ones that are geared towards advance screening giveaways, convention giveaways, or other promotional events. When a movie has both a double-sided and single-sided movie poster made, collectors prefer double-sided over their single-sided counterpart, and the double-sided ones are generally rarer, and with them being more sought after, they can get much more expensive. Because original authentic movie posters can't be obtained by simply going to the neighborhood retailer, like you would find a comic book or pack of baseball cards, it has been a rather unique collectible for fans, who not only are a fan of movies, but appreciate the artwork and/or imagery found on movie posters. There have been some amazing movie poster artists out there, one of the most popular (and my favorite) is artist Drew Struzan who has created the artwork on countless number of movie posters from Star Wars styles, to Indiana Jones styles, Blade Runner, The Thing, and many many more. Some posters opt for photography of the stars, etc over an artists interpretation though. There are not many dealers out there that specialize in original authentic movie posters. While some offer originals, some offer reprints, and some offer a combination of both, there are only a handful that really concentrate on just offering the authentic originals. I am one of those dealers who only will offer the authentic styles you see in theaters, and never any type of reprint/reproduction. Unfortunately there are dealers and individuals who offer reprints but don't bother to inform their customers that what they are ordering IS in fact a reproduction. That is the problem I have with those types of people. Advertising a poster as a reproduction is one thing, but selling one and not explaining the difference is something entirely different. I have no problems with a dealer offering reproductions, so long as they clearly state it is a reproduction. When a reprint/reproduction poster is issued, generally it is from a company that has been issued a license from the studio to produce and sell a reproduction movie posters. These are generally 24x36 inches in size or 27x39 inches in size. Original authentic movie posters are 27x40 (previously were 27x41 inches) and up until a few years ago, the ways to tell an original from a reprint were generally the size and if the poster was double-sided (but also some other factors). Now, it's a different story. There are those out that, including a few fellow poster dealers, who have decided that offering reproductions and making them appear as originals can be quite profitable. They don't concern themselves with being honest or reputable, but rather look at the dollar signs at the end of the day. These people hurt the poster collecting hobby, they aren't helping it. Over the years there have been double-sided "fakes" spotted and reported but generally collectors and dealers make it known (such as for Spider-Man, Titanic, etc) so people are on the look out for them and helpful websites such as the Movie Poster Authentication website helps greatly. These double-sided fakes have generally been easy to spot, for example, the posters for "Titanic". The authentic original movie posters for "Titanic" featured gold-colored credits on them. The fakes/reprints had blue-colored credits. Are all double-sided original movie posters then faked as well? No, not all of them. Generally it is the higher profile posters that are, for films such as the two mentioned above, and most notably "The Dark Knight" but for others as well. When the teaser advance style for "Spider-Man" came out, the poster was quickly recalled from theaters (yes it is true, there are times when a movie is released and later recalled back, which in turn, makes that poster highly sought after just for that reason alone). This "Spider-Man" poster stirred up quite a controversial because the poster featured the reflection of the World Trade Center towers in Spider-Man's eyes on the poster. Sony Pictures recalled the poster from theaters and everyone assumed it was for that very reason because it was in theaters right around 9-11, however, it wasn't recalled for that reason at all. It was because Sony used the image of the Chrysler Building on the poster, without authorization. The WTC reflection/9-11 was just a coincidence on that poster. The trailer was pulled from theaters however, and re-edited, because it in fact showed a helicopter caught between the webbing and the towers, but the poster wasn't recalled because of the 9-11 events. Because this poster was so hot, reprints and bootlegs began appearing everywhere, some single-sided, some double-sided. There are some very informative websites that explain the differences too, so you know what to look for when searching for an original against a fake. With regards to "The Dark Knight" of the five styles made for the domestic U.S. release, (4 of them for the 2008 release, and 1 style made for the 2009 re-release), only one style generated an enormous amount of attention, thus, brought out the dishonest dealers/individuals and that was the advance style "B", which was the only style released for the U.S. marketing campaign that featured Heath Ledger on the poster in character as The Joker. This style was released to theaters in December 2007, to coincide for the film's first actual trailer showing footage from the film, (the teaser trailer was released in the summer of 2007) and was still on display in theaters across the country when Ledger died suddenly. Theaters were asked to take the posters done because the studio didn't want to appear that they were trying to capitalize on his death by promoting the film, which was all just a big coincidence. Most theaters complied, some didn't. Theaters were sent more of the first advance style "A" as replacements. However, because of his death, some people wanted to capitalize on his death as soon as they could and started putting out reproductions onto the market as originals and fans as well as collectors were buying them up like crazy. Most dealers who had the true authentic originals sold out within days, if not hours, of the news spreading of Ledger's passing. The authentic originals, like any collectible, began rising in price, just like a piece of artwork would if the artist passes. Original movie posters have always been considered investments to collectors because they are not only difficult to obtain, but some posters will increase value faster than others, for various reasons. With this Dark Knight style "B", people started coming out of the woodwork for the posters, some happy to have a reprint, but many wanting the authentic originals. One dealer in particular, that I refer to as "MG" started selling reproductions from their website, and making the double-sided. Why? In my opinion, to fool those into thinking they would have an original. This triggered fans into thinking they had the real deal, and would buy more to re-sell on eBay. When I think about it today, the sheer number of people who think they have an original authentic version but really have a home made reproduction, is disappointing to say the least. For the record, the original authentic version of this poster is 27" across by 40 1/16" high (also referred to as 27x40.1 inches). To my knowledge, only three movie poster dealers have these available, and I am one of them. Over the last few years, double-sided original movie posters have gone through one major change, that at first, most people wouldn't notice, but once they know what to look for, it's pretty clear what this change is. If you take a double-sided movie poster, let's say the first advance style "A" from "The Dark Knight" (the graffiti wall style with the black circles and dripping blood red Bat logo on the wall), and then took the "Sherlock Holmes" teaser advance styles that were just released to theaters, and flipped them over, you will see the difference. The Dark Knight poster will have the same color consistency on the front, as well as on the back of the poster. However, if you look at the Sherlock Holmes posters, the front of the poster is very vibrant, but the backside, while still double-sided, has a "faded" look to it. The coloring and vibrancy isn't nearly as pronounced on the back as it is on the front. In my opinion, this is being done for a few reasons. The first reason, and clearly the most evident, is because the light from a light box frame in a theater will reflect better through a lighter source, than a darker one. Before, when the poster had the same color consistency on both sides, the light would reflect but not as much as it does now. By making the backside a lighter version of the front, the poster is still double-sided, yet the light can reflect the poster artwork much more than ever before. If you have a movie theater local to your area, go by and see if they have these Sherlock Holmes styles up in their lobbies, and you will see that the light almost makes these posters glow and really stand out now. The second reason this could be done, and just my guess, is to prevent counterfeits from appearing. This reason is probably a speculation on my part, and reason #1 above being the real reason why studios are doing this faded lighter backside look to the poster, but perhaps maybe a small reason is the counterfeits out there. Most Star Wars movie poster collectors will know that when the Star Wars prequel films were released, George Lucas made sure to add something to the posters that would set the original authentic ones apart from any reprints/counterfeits. He added an anti-counterfeit watermark on the posters. Not all of the prequels have them, but for example, if you take the final style of "Revenge of the Sith" (featuring artwork by Drew Struzan) and flipped it over so you were looking at the backside, right around Padame's head, looking at the right angle, you can see a Lucasfilm title and logo. At first glance, you can't see it, but then again, you cant' see the ghostly image on a $100 bill unless you look at it in the correct lighting. I give kudos for Lucas for doing this to his posters, which he also did on the posters for the latest "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" (again with artwork by Struzan). I do my best to inform my customers of things like this, so they know what to look out for when searching for an original. Do all dealers do this? No, they don't. Some don't even know themselves, but I feel the more informed a person is, the easier it is for them to make decisions when it comes to original movie posters they are looking to add to their collections. There is a lot more I am leaving out, such as the many styles of original movie posters produced for a film, with some films having one poster, some films having multiple posters. The differences between domestic U.S. movie posters and International styles, as well as foreign styles, and also the lenictular 3-D style movie posters, but also the fan-made posters that are nothing more than fans who design their own posters and put the images on YouTube, MySpace, etc and try to fool people into thinking they are the real movie poster (The Dark Knight is an example of this), and the dealers who then take these images and reproduce them and sell them on their site, even though they were were created by fans. However, I think I have made this post long enough, and hopefully can help educate collectors, both new and old, when it comes to making the right decisions when purchasing originals over reproductions. Last edited by Kinsella5; 07-26-2009 at 08:06 PM. |
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#164 | |
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If you are in the Seattle area, and want to know of a great place to have original movie posters framed, I highly recommend Framer vs. Framer located in Kirkland (Totem Lake to be exact). Lori, the owner, does fantastic work. Tell her I sent you. |
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The Dark Knight one you picked up was just that, a licensed reproduction. On a side note, that artwork wasn't used for the domestic U.S. release for Dark Knight, but it was the artwork found on the International advance style "A" for the film. Now, the original authentic theatrical International double-sided style was very difficult to obtain. Licensed reprints do use the domestic and International artwork at times, or different artwork altogether and as stated, are sold in stores across the country such as Blockbuster. They are generally 24x36 or 27x39 (but again, dealers such as MG are selling 27x40 reproductions on their site to be careful). Also sometimes these licensed reproductions can be on thicker paper or card stock paper too. Licensed reproductions you see in stores like Blockbuster should be priced around the $10-$20 price range. Some original authentic movie posters are generally in the $20 price range as well, so sometimes is makes more sense to buy an original authentic one from a poster dealer than to buy a reproduction. |
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would be cool to get some of these (if they actually existed)
http://www.tcm.com/2009/summer/index.jsp |
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Blu-ray Samurai
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#169 | |
Blu-ray Knight
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Anyone can email me directly (my contact info is in my signature) or send me a private message directly. I do have a mailing list and update all of my customers when there are new titles available for purchase. I only offer the original authentic movie posters, never any type of reprint/reproduction or counterfeit. Feel free to contact me anytime with any questions you may have. |
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#170 |
Blu-ray Guru
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Thanks Jon! I just got my posters today... I have 3 of them in frames now, I'll put them up tomorrow and hopefully my camera works so I can post a picture... the packaging was super solid, lol... I don't think there would have been any chance of them getting damaged!
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#172 |
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Jon just hooked me up with 5 posters and I friggin LOVE them, 2 Watchmen, Hellboy 2, POTC: Dead Mans Chest and a poster of Victor from Rise of the Lycans.
I want more now... but I would like to save some space for Machete, Iron Man 2 and Red Sonja posters. ![]() |
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#174 |
Blu-ray Guru
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I would just get what you want now and get new ones later and switch a few out to keep the room feeling new
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oops, someone made a post about posters they bought and liked alot and I guess they merged my post onto this one, lol! ah well.
and definitely, whatever I like that Jon has, I'm going buy, I still have alot of space left in my room. ![]() Last edited by JonD7; 08-08-2009 at 08:56 AM. |
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#176 |
Blu-ray Knight
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Have not posted in a while, but one of the newest titles in stock is "Whiteout" which is a nice image of Beckinsale's face. Double-sided, or course too. Also finally got in "The Hangover" final style, and coming in soon is the final style for 'Where the Wild Things Are". Lots of stuff on the horizon too. Send me a PM if anyone is interested in knowing more. All are authentic originals, not reproductions in new unused rolled condition.
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Just got in "Where the Wild Things Are" (both styles) double-sided authentic movie posters. If anyone is interested, send me an email directly or a private message here. Here are images of what they look like as well.
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